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My 1987 300D

 
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MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
02-06-2014, 11:41 AM #401
Hx30s are effecient clear up to 35ish psi, so you wouldn't think the intake temp would rise too much since they are still in their range. Stock cummins run them between 20-30psi depending on the application of course

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
02-06-2014, 11:41 AM #401

Hx30s are effecient clear up to 35ish psi, so you wouldn't think the intake temp would rise too much since they are still in their range. Stock cummins run them between 20-30psi depending on the application of course


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-09-2014, 05:44 PM #402
I've got some funkiness at WOT in 4th gear. PSI goes up to 11, temp hits 1250 and then PSI starts going down and power flatlines. If I let off my foot to 3/4 boost goes back to 11 and EGT's come down but power comes back. I think the waste gate is cracking open. Will report back after some testing. I also have the overbypass valve setup so who knows. Should be pretty easy to figure out when I get some time.


I think I bought the "perfect" intercooler today:

   

It's from a 2008 BMW 335xi and measures 4-1/4 x 5 x 20-3/4. 28" with end tanks (same width as what I have now) and 3-3/16" inlet & outlet.

I believe this will allow stock/amg spoiler fitment w/o issue.
This post was last modified: 02-09-2014, 05:46 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-09-2014, 05:44 PM #402

I've got some funkiness at WOT in 4th gear. PSI goes up to 11, temp hits 1250 and then PSI starts going down and power flatlines. If I let off my foot to 3/4 boost goes back to 11 and EGT's come down but power comes back. I think the waste gate is cracking open. Will report back after some testing. I also have the overbypass valve setup so who knows. Should be pretty easy to figure out when I get some time.


I think I bought the "perfect" intercooler today:

   

It's from a 2008 BMW 335xi and measures 4-1/4 x 5 x 20-3/4. 28" with end tanks (same width as what I have now) and 3-3/16" inlet & outlet.

I believe this will allow stock/amg spoiler fitment w/o issue.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-10-2014, 04:19 PM #403
Bypassing the overboost solenoid was def part of the problem. I saw 13psi for the first time today. I need to go back and check but that might also be the max range of the bosch boost sensor.

[edit]
According to this, I should be good to 3 bar... http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...4#pid55954, I think I need to hook up an analog boost gauge and verify my digital. IIRC the overboost doesnt kick in until 16psi....
This post was last modified: 02-10-2014, 04:21 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-10-2014, 04:19 PM #403

Bypassing the overboost solenoid was def part of the problem. I saw 13psi for the first time today. I need to go back and check but that might also be the max range of the bosch boost sensor.

[edit]
According to this, I should be good to 3 bar... http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...4#pid55954, I think I need to hook up an analog boost gauge and verify my digital. IIRC the overboost doesnt kick in until 16psi....


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

NGARover
GTA2056V

99
02-10-2014, 07:41 PM #404
(02-09-2014, 05:44 PM)winmutt I've got some funkiness at WOT in 4th gear. PSI goes up to 11, temp hits 1250 and then PSI starts going down and power flatlines. If I let off my foot to 3/4 boost goes back to 11 and EGT's come down but power comes back. I think the waste gate is cracking open. Will report back after some testing. I also have the overbypass valve setup so who knows. Should be pretty easy to figure out when I get some time.


I think I bought the "perfect" intercooler today:



It's from a 2008 BMW 335xi and measures 4-1/4 x 5 x 20-3/4. 28" with end tanks (same width as what I have now) and 3-3/16" inlet & outlet.

I believe this will allow stock/amg spoiler fitment w/o issue.

Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html
NGARover
02-10-2014, 07:41 PM #404

(02-09-2014, 05:44 PM)winmutt I've got some funkiness at WOT in 4th gear. PSI goes up to 11, temp hits 1250 and then PSI starts going down and power flatlines. If I let off my foot to 3/4 boost goes back to 11 and EGT's come down but power comes back. I think the waste gate is cracking open. Will report back after some testing. I also have the overbypass valve setup so who knows. Should be pretty easy to figure out when I get some time.


I think I bought the "perfect" intercooler today:



It's from a 2008 BMW 335xi and measures 4-1/4 x 5 x 20-3/4. 28" with end tanks (same width as what I have now) and 3-3/16" inlet & outlet.

I believe this will allow stock/amg spoiler fitment w/o issue.

Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
02-10-2014, 07:42 PM #405
I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink
raysorenson
02-10-2014, 07:42 PM #405

I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-10-2014, 08:00 PM #406
(02-10-2014, 07:41 PM)NGARover Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html

Looks smaller than the bmw one. I paid $45 for the one in the pic, shipped. If I don't want it, you want it?


(02-10-2014, 07:42 PM)raysorenson I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink

Well I ran without a boost gauge for a while so better safe than sorry!

Must have been leaking as well because I get more fuel earlier now.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-10-2014, 08:00 PM #406

(02-10-2014, 07:41 PM)NGARover Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html

Looks smaller than the bmw one. I paid $45 for the one in the pic, shipped. If I don't want it, you want it?


(02-10-2014, 07:42 PM)raysorenson I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink

Well I ran without a boost gauge for a while so better safe than sorry!

Must have been leaking as well because I get more fuel earlier now.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

lgreeley83
Mr. Rumbles

775
02-10-2014, 11:32 PM #407
(02-10-2014, 07:42 PM)raysorenson I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink

I don't know past 617 tech but I still wish there was a "Like" button for this :-p

" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."

lgreeley83
02-10-2014, 11:32 PM #407

(02-10-2014, 07:42 PM)raysorenson I can't believe you still have that stuff under your hood, much less hooked up. Do I need to tell you it's okay to unhook your EGR too? Wink

I don't know past 617 tech but I still wish there was a "Like" button for this :-p


" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."

dieselmeken
Holset

407
02-11-2014, 01:11 AM #408
Feedpump pressure drop?
dieselmeken
02-11-2014, 01:11 AM #408

Feedpump pressure drop?

NGARover
GTA2056V

99
02-12-2014, 03:59 PM #409
(02-10-2014, 08:00 PM)winmutt
(02-10-2014, 07:41 PM)NGARover Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html

Looks smaller than the bmw one. I paid $45 for the one in the pic, shipped. If I don't want it, you want it?

Maybe. I have been looking into these guys also.. notice that you can have them make the exact size you need to fit the area... price is reasonable also.

http://bellintercoolers.com/_pages/aachart350.html
NGARover
02-12-2014, 03:59 PM #409

(02-10-2014, 08:00 PM)winmutt
(02-10-2014, 07:41 PM)NGARover Seen these? Stock E320 intercoolers... http://www.buyautoparts.com/autoparts/Me...ooler.html

Looks smaller than the bmw one. I paid $45 for the one in the pic, shipped. If I don't want it, you want it?

Maybe. I have been looking into these guys also.. notice that you can have them make the exact size you need to fit the area... price is reasonable also.

http://bellintercoolers.com/_pages/aachart350.html

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-18-2014, 05:00 PM #410
(02-11-2014, 01:11 AM)dieselmeken Feedpump pressure drop?

This has been my thought as well.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-18-2014, 05:00 PM #410

(02-11-2014, 01:11 AM)dieselmeken Feedpump pressure drop?

This has been my thought as well.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
02-18-2014, 05:35 PM #411
The H.F. fuel injection test kit has a little bolt that will tap at the banjo fitting for lift pump pressure. Pretty easy.
raysorenson
02-18-2014, 05:35 PM #411

The H.F. fuel injection test kit has a little bolt that will tap at the banjo fitting for lift pump pressure. Pretty easy.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-18-2014, 05:48 PM #412
(02-18-2014, 05:35 PM)raysorenson The H.F. fuel injection test kit has a little bolt that will tap at the banjo fitting for lift pump pressure. Pretty easy.

This one? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-inject...92699.html

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-18-2014, 05:48 PM #412

(02-18-2014, 05:35 PM)raysorenson The H.F. fuel injection test kit has a little bolt that will tap at the banjo fitting for lift pump pressure. Pretty easy.

This one? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-inject...92699.html


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
02-18-2014, 10:02 PM #413
Hah. You wish.

http://www.harborfreight.com/master-fuel...97706.html

I can send you the stuff from my Mac kit if you don't want to invest. You just gotta promise to send it back when you're done. Mac stuff ain't cheap.
raysorenson
02-18-2014, 10:02 PM #413

Hah. You wish.

http://www.harborfreight.com/master-fuel...97706.html

I can send you the stuff from my Mac kit if you don't want to invest. You just gotta promise to send it back when you're done. Mac stuff ain't cheap.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-20-2014, 08:42 PM #414
Poop. The intercooler came in today and the dolt didnt even put newspaper in there for padding. End tank broke off. The endtanks are plastic and crimped on, I dont think the aluminum metal is thick enough to weld new intakes on. This is disappointing.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-20-2014, 08:42 PM #414

Poop. The intercooler came in today and the dolt didnt even put newspaper in there for padding. End tank broke off. The endtanks are plastic and crimped on, I dont think the aluminum metal is thick enough to weld new intakes on. This is disappointing.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
02-20-2014, 09:15 PM #415
Why not A/W? I hate the idea myself, but I've resigned myself to it. If you want to compare notes, I'm going to be taking on the project with an identical car. A/C will be retained, it will be a DD in The South and appear bone stock.

Fuck the SCCA. AutoX doesn't compare to tracking anyway.
raysorenson
02-20-2014, 09:15 PM #415

Why not A/W? I hate the idea myself, but I've resigned myself to it. If you want to compare notes, I'm going to be taking on the project with an identical car. A/C will be retained, it will be a DD in The South and appear bone stock.

Fuck the SCCA. AutoX doesn't compare to tracking anyway.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
04-18-2014, 01:51 PM #416
Blew out third gear in the mountains today, 2hrs from home. I was able to drive home with lots of horrible noises. Luckily I have a spare .410 sitting in the garage. Time to start looking for a .414

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
04-18-2014, 01:51 PM #416

Blew out third gear in the mountains today, 2hrs from home. I was able to drive home with lots of horrible noises. Luckily I have a spare .410 sitting in the garage. Time to start looking for a .414


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

dieselmeken
Holset

407
04-18-2014, 02:01 PM #417
Why am i not suprised?
dieselmeken
04-18-2014, 02:01 PM #417

Why am i not suprised?

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
04-18-2014, 03:19 PM #418
Time for a 6spd swap the c230 kompressor's are relatively cheap. not sure how they hold up to power yet!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
04-18-2014, 03:19 PM #418

Time for a 6spd swap the c230 kompressor's are relatively cheap. not sure how they hold up to power yet!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
04-18-2014, 07:14 PM #419
What all is needed for that swap? I am thinking 717.404
This post was last modified: 04-18-2014, 07:17 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
04-18-2014, 07:14 PM #419

What all is needed for that swap? I am thinking 717.404


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-16-2014, 11:11 AM #420
ASD rear diff from e300 en route....

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-16-2014, 11:11 AM #420

ASD rear diff from e300 en route....


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
05-16-2014, 12:19 PM #421
(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
05-16-2014, 12:19 PM #421

(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-16-2014, 02:21 PM #422
(05-16-2014, 12:19 PM)MFSuper90
(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin

The grin on my face, shortly before it happened was EAR to EAR. I was in some pretty decent rolling sweepers and on the last one the back end was sliding out a bit too much. About 1/2 mile down the road it went BAM. Selling the core to fellow STDer who promised to give us some tear down pics. Longest 2 hr drive of my life back with that gear getting ground up everywhere. Still looking for a 717.404. Probably won't put the ASD in until then.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-16-2014, 02:21 PM #422

(05-16-2014, 12:19 PM)MFSuper90
(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin

The grin on my face, shortly before it happened was EAR to EAR. I was in some pretty decent rolling sweepers and on the last one the back end was sliding out a bit too much. About 1/2 mile down the road it went BAM. Selling the core to fellow STDer who promised to give us some tear down pics. Longest 2 hr drive of my life back with that gear getting ground up everywhere. Still looking for a 717.404. Probably won't put the ASD in until then.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
05-16-2014, 05:52 PM #423
I bought a 240d that was soposed to have a bad clutch. took it for a test drive after I bought it and stuck 1 and revers gear out through the side of the case because of some sloppy linkage and the drove it to my shop 30 miles away with no fluid no 1st gear and no reverse was an interesting drive the noises coming out of that transmission where epic except 4th gear was silent as new. 1.5 hours and a spare tranny and it was fixed

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
05-16-2014, 05:52 PM #423

I bought a 240d that was soposed to have a bad clutch. took it for a test drive after I bought it and stuck 1 and revers gear out through the side of the case because of some sloppy linkage and the drove it to my shop 30 miles away with no fluid no 1st gear and no reverse was an interesting drive the noises coming out of that transmission where epic except 4th gear was silent as new. 1.5 hours and a spare tranny and it was fixed


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-19-2014, 07:22 PM #424
Was inserting a missing spacer between the pulley arm and timing case and found that my silicon reducer from turbo to IC piping is torn... That might explain a few things...

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-19-2014, 07:22 PM #424

Was inserting a missing spacer between the pulley arm and timing case and found that my silicon reducer from turbo to IC piping is torn... That might explain a few things...


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Duncansport
Holset

526
05-20-2014, 11:25 AM #425
Have a freshly rebuilt 717.430, 9.5 inch clutch and flywheel if the price is right :-)
Duncansport
05-20-2014, 11:25 AM #425

Have a freshly rebuilt 717.430, 9.5 inch clutch and flywheel if the price is right :-)

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-23-2014, 10:14 AM #426
Quote:10:38 am
Delivered
Marietta, GA

My diff is here. Still trying to track down a 717.430 I can afford.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-23-2014, 10:14 AM #426

Quote:10:38 am
Delivered
Marietta, GA

My diff is here. Still trying to track down a 717.430 I can afford.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
05-26-2014, 09:50 PM #427
(05-23-2014, 10:14 AM)winmutt
Quote:10:38 am
Delivered
Marietta, GA

My diff is here. Still trying to track down a 717.430 I can afford.

It was delivered to my hometown, except I live in the ohio version Tongue

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
05-26-2014, 09:50 PM #427

(05-23-2014, 10:14 AM)winmutt
Quote:10:38 am
Delivered
Marietta, GA

My diff is here. Still trying to track down a 717.430 I can afford.

It was delivered to my hometown, except I live in the ohio version Tongue


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-26-2014, 10:11 PM #428
Today I fixed what were some apparent boost leaks due to shitty pipe clamps rubbing on silicone. We are back to scalded dog. Clutch cant hold boost in third or fourth suddenly Smile. Ripped the ghetto fab I had for my turbo oil drain.

I am seeing boost far earlier now.It is wonderful. What I am not seeing is temps going up with the bosst as much as temps going with revs. Any suggestions?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-26-2014, 10:11 PM #428

Today I fixed what were some apparent boost leaks due to shitty pipe clamps rubbing on silicone. We are back to scalded dog. Clutch cant hold boost in third or fourth suddenly Smile. Ripped the ghetto fab I had for my turbo oil drain.

I am seeing boost far earlier now.It is wonderful. What I am not seeing is temps going up with the bosst as much as temps going with revs. Any suggestions?


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
05-27-2014, 10:10 PM #429
Think there might be some valve float? Stock springs? 6000RPM?
raysorenson
05-27-2014, 10:10 PM #429

Think there might be some valve float? Stock springs? 6000RPM?

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
05-28-2014, 08:49 AM #430
(05-27-2014, 10:10 PM)raysorenson Think there might be some valve float? Stock springs? 6000RPM?

This is what I thought as well. Unlikely I am going to fix that on this engine.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
05-28-2014, 08:49 AM #430

(05-27-2014, 10:10 PM)raysorenson Think there might be some valve float? Stock springs? 6000RPM?

This is what I thought as well. Unlikely I am going to fix that on this engine.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
06-23-2014, 09:03 AM #431
Wanted to report that my last tank was 28.2 mpg. Not too shabby. I drive in from the burbs to the city every day and tend to get "mixed" driving out of it. Tend to run it as well so its really quite decent.
This post was last modified: 06-23-2014, 09:47 AM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
06-23-2014, 09:03 AM #431

Wanted to report that my last tank was 28.2 mpg. Not too shabby. I drive in from the burbs to the city every day and tend to get "mixed" driving out of it. Tend to run it as well so its really quite decent.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-02-2014, 12:47 PM #432
717.430 is on the way and looking at bringing an 87 300TD into the fold...

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-02-2014, 12:47 PM #432

717.430 is on the way and looking at bringing an 87 300TD into the fold...


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-08-2014, 08:57 AM #433
The 717.430 is sitting on my garage floor and appears to be in good working condition. Clutch is starting to slip in all gears now so time is of the essence.
This post was last modified: 07-08-2014, 08:58 AM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-08-2014, 08:57 AM #433

The 717.430 is sitting on my garage floor and appears to be in good working condition. Clutch is starting to slip in all gears now so time is of the essence.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-22-2014, 01:01 PM #434
Almost done swapping this in. 2.88 ASD rear, proper 5spd DS, 717.430, clutch masters 8.5" kevlar disk.

   

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-22-2014, 01:01 PM #434

Almost done swapping this in. 2.88 ASD rear, proper 5spd DS, 717.430, clutch masters 8.5" kevlar disk.

   


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
10-16-2014, 02:56 PM #435
(05-16-2014, 02:21 PM)winmutt
(05-16-2014, 12:19 PM)MFSuper90
(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin

The grin on my face, shortly before it happened was EAR to EAR. I was in some pretty decent rolling sweepers and on the last one the back end was sliding out a bit too much. About 1/2 mile down the road it went BAM. Selling the core to fellow STDer who promised to give us some tear down pics. Longest 2 hr drive of my life back with that gear getting ground up everywhere. Still looking for a 717.404. Probably won't put the ASD in until then.

dieselmenken + winmutt / 717 = Kaboom

Looks pretty, but shaking sounds like maraka

[Image: 004_zpsef4bac0a.jpg]

evidence of foul play-

[Image: 007_zpsd2bdd992.jpg]
[Image: 008_zpsa613ed91.jpg]
[Image: 009_zpsa5d6d2a1.jpg]
[Image: 010_zps8a44c759.jpg]

gear gone plus synchro and synchro spring-

[Image: 011_zpsd849ea06.jpg]
[Image: 012_zpsebcded4f.jpg]

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
10-16-2014, 02:56 PM #435

(05-16-2014, 02:21 PM)winmutt
(05-16-2014, 12:19 PM)MFSuper90
(04-18-2014, 02:01 PM)dieselmeken Why am i not suprised?

^^Lmao Big Grin

The grin on my face, shortly before it happened was EAR to EAR. I was in some pretty decent rolling sweepers and on the last one the back end was sliding out a bit too much. About 1/2 mile down the road it went BAM. Selling the core to fellow STDer who promised to give us some tear down pics. Longest 2 hr drive of my life back with that gear getting ground up everywhere. Still looking for a 717.404. Probably won't put the ASD in until then.

dieselmenken + winmutt / 717 = Kaboom

Looks pretty, but shaking sounds like maraka

[Image: 004_zpsef4bac0a.jpg]

evidence of foul play-

[Image: 007_zpsd2bdd992.jpg]
[Image: 008_zpsa613ed91.jpg]
[Image: 009_zpsa5d6d2a1.jpg]
[Image: 010_zps8a44c759.jpg]

gear gone plus synchro and synchro spring-

[Image: 011_zpsd849ea06.jpg]
[Image: 012_zpsebcded4f.jpg]


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
10-16-2014, 07:23 PM #436
Ouch.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
10-16-2014, 07:23 PM #436

Ouch.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
10-16-2014, 08:10 PM #437
The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
10-16-2014, 08:10 PM #437

The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

dieselmeken
Holset

407
10-17-2014, 12:26 AM #438
(10-16-2014, 08:10 PM)JB3 The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction

Thats usually what superpumps do to Mercedes boxes. 2-3 pull and then third gear falls down in the bottom of the box. After3 or 4 boxes you will probably go for a BMW 530Diesel box, then your problems is over.
dieselmeken
10-17-2014, 12:26 AM #438

(10-16-2014, 08:10 PM)JB3 The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction

Thats usually what superpumps do to Mercedes boxes. 2-3 pull and then third gear falls down in the bottom of the box. After3 or 4 boxes you will probably go for a BMW 530Diesel box, then your problems is over.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
10-17-2014, 06:26 AM #439
(10-16-2014, 08:10 PM)JB3 The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction

Honestly don't remember but leaning towards not being in gear.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
10-17-2014, 06:26 AM #439

(10-16-2014, 08:10 PM)JB3 The rest of the gearbox is in surprisingly good shape. Id have to wash everything and carefully inspect all the surfaces, but i might be able to take that gear from another blown box.

Question for winmutt, you were in gear when the gear blew, not shifting?
I was curious about path of destruction

Honestly don't remember but leaning towards not being in gear.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
10-17-2014, 07:48 AM #440
Slap a japanese transmission in there. I want to say I saw a 240sx transmission (or a skyline...or something like that) on the floor of a shop. It was skinny and short.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
10-17-2014, 07:48 AM #440

Slap a japanese transmission in there. I want to say I saw a 240sx transmission (or a skyline...or something like that) on the floor of a shop. It was skinny and short.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
11-03-2014, 09:14 AM #441
HX35W is en route, will do a 3" exhaust when it's mounted.

Been trying to figure out a more permanent solution for the bushings on the torque arms, ate through the last ones (lemforder) in 6mos, now at 1 year is totally shot. Pretty sure the chrysler LX kit from prothane shares some of the same bushings.....

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
11-03-2014, 09:14 AM #441

HX35W is en route, will do a 3" exhaust when it's mounted.

Been trying to figure out a more permanent solution for the bushings on the torque arms, ate through the last ones (lemforder) in 6mos, now at 1 year is totally shot. Pretty sure the chrysler LX kit from prothane shares some of the same bushings.....


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
11-05-2014, 01:17 PM #442
Are the 717.430 The strongest 5 speed merc trannies?

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
11-05-2014, 01:17 PM #442

Are the 717.430 The strongest 5 speed merc trannies?


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

capflya
Dreaming of a VNT

309
11-05-2014, 02:02 PM #443
Yes

The .432 and I think .435 are rated for the same power. The .432 takes a dual mass FW/Clutch setup or the dual mass conversion for a sprinter I believe will work as well.



'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
'87 300D Turbo "Roxanne" - #22 head - 400E brakes - EGR Delete - 17" Staggered AMG 5 spoke rims from CLK500 - 5 Spd manual
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use Big Grin
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
capflya
11-05-2014, 02:02 PM #443

Yes

The .432 and I think .435 are rated for the same power. The .432 takes a dual mass FW/Clutch setup or the dual mass conversion for a sprinter I believe will work as well.




'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
'87 300D Turbo "Roxanne" - #22 head - 400E brakes - EGR Delete - 17" Staggered AMG 5 spoke rims from CLK500 - 5 Spd manual
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use Big Grin
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
11-05-2014, 03:43 PM #444
There was one in cali when I bought mine from a jy in KY.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
11-05-2014, 03:43 PM #444

There was one in cali when I bought mine from a jy in KY.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

mbz123
GT2256V

122
11-05-2014, 04:09 PM #445
(11-03-2014, 09:14 AM)winmutt Been trying to figure out a more permanent solution for the bushings on the torque arms, ate through the last ones (lemforder) in 6mos, now at 1 year is totally shot. Pretty sure the chrysler LX kit from prothane shares some of the same bushings.....

"torque arms" = ???

Also, do you have any details/contact info on that 5spd in CA?

MBZ123
mbz123
11-05-2014, 04:09 PM #445

(11-03-2014, 09:14 AM)winmutt Been trying to figure out a more permanent solution for the bushings on the torque arms, ate through the last ones (lemforder) in 6mos, now at 1 year is totally shot. Pretty sure the chrysler LX kit from prothane shares some of the same bushings.....

"torque arms" = ???

Also, do you have any details/contact info on that 5spd in CA?

MBZ123

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
11-06-2014, 11:12 AM #446
(11-05-2014, 02:02 PM)capflya Yes

The .432 and I think .435 are rated for the same power. The .432 takes a dual mass FW/Clutch setup or the dual mass conversion for a sprinter I believe will work as well.

Is there some published torque capacity data behind this or is this based on past performance of these transmissions mated to high torque motors?
raysorenson
11-06-2014, 11:12 AM #446

(11-05-2014, 02:02 PM)capflya Yes

The .432 and I think .435 are rated for the same power. The .432 takes a dual mass FW/Clutch setup or the dual mass conversion for a sprinter I believe will work as well.

Is there some published torque capacity data behind this or is this based on past performance of these transmissions mated to high torque motors?

capflya
Dreaming of a VNT

309
11-06-2014, 11:33 AM #447
(11-06-2014, 11:12 AM)raysorenson Is there some published torque capacity data behind this or is this based on past performance of these transmissions mated to high torque motors?

I read it on the internet, so it must be true? Wink

In all seriousness though these trans are used in the cars with the larger motors. I forget where I read but several places have mentioned that they're the same. The Ratios are the same between the 430 and 432, only difference is the input shaft length for the dual mass vs single mass clutch.
This post was last modified: 11-06-2014, 11:33 AM by capflya.



'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
'87 300D Turbo "Roxanne" - #22 head - 400E brakes - EGR Delete - 17" Staggered AMG 5 spoke rims from CLK500 - 5 Spd manual
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use Big Grin
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
capflya
11-06-2014, 11:33 AM #447

(11-06-2014, 11:12 AM)raysorenson Is there some published torque capacity data behind this or is this based on past performance of these transmissions mated to high torque motors?

I read it on the internet, so it must be true? Wink

In all seriousness though these trans are used in the cars with the larger motors. I forget where I read but several places have mentioned that they're the same. The Ratios are the same between the 430 and 432, only difference is the input shaft length for the dual mass vs single mass clutch.




'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
'87 300D Turbo "Roxanne" - #22 head - 400E brakes - EGR Delete - 17" Staggered AMG 5 spoke rims from CLK500 - 5 Spd manual
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use Big Grin
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
11-06-2014, 12:33 PM #448
Ahh.. gotcha. I was making sure there wasn't some mysterious data source I didn't know about. The .404 dogleg is also known to support turbo torque but doesn't have overdrive.
raysorenson
11-06-2014, 12:33 PM #448

Ahh.. gotcha. I was making sure there wasn't some mysterious data source I didn't know about. The .404 dogleg is also known to support turbo torque but doesn't have overdrive.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
11-08-2014, 12:09 PM #449
At some point or another I have seen torque ratings for all the 5 speeds and sadly not recorded them appropriately.

HX35W exhaust housing is now soaking to get reclocked.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
11-08-2014, 12:09 PM #449

At some point or another I have seen torque ratings for all the 5 speeds and sadly not recorded them appropriately.

HX35W exhaust housing is now soaking to get reclocked.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

SurfRodder
Jackass Extraordinaire

611
05-08-2015, 12:41 PM #450
(07-22-2014, 01:01 PM)winmutt Almost done swapping this in. 2.88 ASD rear, proper 5spd DS, 717.430, clutch masters 8.5" kevlar disk.

What model clutch did you get from them?

W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62
SurfRodder
05-08-2015, 12:41 PM #450

(07-22-2014, 01:01 PM)winmutt Almost done swapping this in. 2.88 ASD rear, proper 5spd DS, 717.430, clutch masters 8.5" kevlar disk.

What model clutch did you get from them?


W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62

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