Challenge for STD members
Challenge for STD members
11-30-2013, 12:23 PM
#1
Challenge to DieselMeken: can you & crazy diesel performance Finns put together a package for a 2014 or 2015 Group Buy inspired by world's first 200 MPH diesel super car: http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2009...ure19.html
In time for Gatebil 2015?
Hemmings reported about 5-cylinder diesel engine from a w116 300SD with a few mods in the 1970s = 200 mile per hour vehicle
Challenge to DieselMeken: can you & crazy diesel performance Finns put together a package for a 2014 or 2015 Group Buy inspired by world's first 200 MPH diesel super car: http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2009...ure19.html
In time for Gatebil 2015?
11-30-2013, 12:48 PM
#2
Anybody else having trouble grasping that? All I'm missing is the cam, and I'm 100hp behind them! Haha
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I find it hard to believe they slapped a intercooler on it turned the boost up to 30psi different cam and BAM! They have 230hp.
Anybody else having trouble grasping that? All I'm missing is the cam, and I'm 100hp behind them! Haha
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
11-30-2013, 02:11 PM
#3
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-30-2013, 02:11 PM #3Well first off, a w123 probably has like 14x as much drag as the C111, that thing also had probably 10 forward gears, and I bet it probably had like 8-10mm elements from the Bosch factory itself
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-30-2013, 02:18 PM
#4
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Yes, that was a om617.952a engine, but reduce most of the drag, get rid of bunch of weight, boost fuel and air ALOT, and some other tricks of the trade, and yes 200 mph. Is it just a cam and some more boost ? I highly doubt that.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
11-30-2013, 02:18 PM
#5
Hard to believe this 1970s turbo-charged diesel capable of 200 MPH ...
http://www.mercedesclass.net/wp-content/...884_08.jpg
Here's a picture of the modified 3.0 liter 5-cylinder engine bay ...
Hard to believe this 1970s turbo-charged diesel capable of 200 MPH ...
http://www.mercedesclass.net/wp-content/...884_08.jpg
11-30-2013, 02:29 PM
#6
DiseaselWeasel
11-30-2013, 02:29 PM #6Jesus, this is an article by a journalist, not by a diesel tuning guru ffs, give it a break...
11-30-2013, 02:50 PM
#7
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-30-2013, 02:50 PM #7I wonder what trans they used, and where can I get one
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-30-2013, 05:29 PM
#9
(11-30-2013, 04:18 PM)300SD_KY The car is on display at the Mercedes museum in Germany… Any forum members nearby?
And can they please discretely steal the camshaft out of it and send it my way?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(11-30-2013, 04:18 PM)300SD_KY The car is on display at the Mercedes museum in Germany… Any forum members nearby?
And can they please discretely steal the camshaft out of it and send it my way?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
12-01-2013, 04:11 PM
#10
raysorenson
12-01-2013, 04:11 PM #10I read another article by a journalist that rode in an OM617 powered C111. The driver was instructed to make no sudden moves to the L or R because of all the cars on the circuit that were travelling at a much higher speed. Acceleration was weak with the 200mph gearing and a high speed was not reached on the test drive. Sounds pretty lame to me.
12-01-2013, 09:10 PM
#13
(11-30-2013, 12:48 PM)MFSuper90 I find it hard to believe they slapped a intercooler on it turned the boost up to 30psi different cam and BAM! They have 230hp.
Anybody else having trouble grasping that? All I'm missing is the cam, and I'm 100hp behind them! Haha
This post was last modified: 12-01-2013, 09:15 PM by Austincarnut.
Austincarnut
12-01-2013, 09:10 PM #13it had dry sump, custom injection pump, mid/rear engine, low drag coefficient, overdrive, etc.... Their car did make those numbers, a production/mod'd turd engine, w123? 30+ years later? no way! don't forget about the same time they were playinging with the rotary engine in the same chassis, sold off to mazda!
(11-30-2013, 12:48 PM)MFSuper90 I find it hard to believe they slapped a intercooler on it turned the boost up to 30psi different cam and BAM! They have 230hp.
Anybody else having trouble grasping that? All I'm missing is the cam, and I'm 100hp behind them! Haha
12-01-2013, 09:46 PM
#14
Custom cam($400ish?)
Bigger pump ($1200ish)
Bigger turbo (varies)
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
12-01-2013, 09:46 PM #14Ported head & bigger valves (couple hundred)
Custom cam($400ish?)
Bigger pump ($1200ish)
Bigger turbo (varies)
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
12-03-2013, 09:23 AM
#15
(11-30-2013, 02:50 PM)sassparilla_kid I wonder what trans they used, and where can I get oneUnless you have a C111 chassis in stock the gearbox is useless for you....
(11-30-2013, 04:18 PM)300SD_KY The car is on display at the Mercedes museum in Germany… Any forum members nearby?I live 20 miles away....
(11-30-2013, 05:29 PM)MFSuper90 And can they please discretely steal the camshaft out of it and send it my way?
This picture
http://www.mercedesclass.net/wp-content/...884_08.jpg
was taken outside, in front of the museum at a special presentation day where I didn´t have time to visit the museum.
Normally you don´t get any closer than being 5 meters away from the C111.
(11-30-2013, 02:29 PM)DiseaselWeasel Jesus, this is an article by a journalist, not by a diesel tuning guru ffs, give it a break...You are right, for example the indicated boost in the article is wrong. For the C111 stage 1 engine the boost is specified at 45psi!
Gruß
Volker
This post was last modified: 12-03-2013, 09:56 AM by Volker407.
(11-30-2013, 02:50 PM)sassparilla_kid I wonder what trans they used, and where can I get oneUnless you have a C111 chassis in stock the gearbox is useless for you....
(11-30-2013, 04:18 PM)300SD_KY The car is on display at the Mercedes museum in Germany… Any forum members nearby?I live 20 miles away....
(11-30-2013, 05:29 PM)MFSuper90 And can they please discretely steal the camshaft out of it and send it my way?
This picture
http://www.mercedesclass.net/wp-content/...884_08.jpg
was taken outside, in front of the museum at a special presentation day where I didn´t have time to visit the museum.
Normally you don´t get any closer than being 5 meters away from the C111.
(11-30-2013, 02:29 PM)DiseaselWeasel Jesus, this is an article by a journalist, not by a diesel tuning guru ffs, give it a break...You are right, for example the indicated boost in the article is wrong. For the C111 stage 1 engine the boost is specified at 45psi!
Gruß
Volker
12-04-2013, 11:04 AM
#16
Unless they had custom rods or lowered compression?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I thought rods started bending at 30+psi in a 617?
Unless they had custom rods or lowered compression?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
12-04-2013, 12:44 PM
#17
(12-04-2013, 11:04 AM)MFSuper90 I thought rods started bending at 30+psi in a 617?
Unless they had custom rods or lowered compression?
If I was building an all-out racecar I would definitely use custom rods
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
12-04-2013, 12:44 PM #17(12-04-2013, 11:04 AM)MFSuper90 I thought rods started bending at 30+psi in a 617?
Unless they had custom rods or lowered compression?
If I was building an all-out racecar I would definitely use custom rods
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
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