NA to Turbo Q's (aka What can I get away with?)
NA to Turbo Q's (aka What can I get away with?)
03-20-2013, 08:43 PM
#1
New to the site and to diesel engines in general. I've procured myself a 1980 300TD and a 1982 300D turbo, through some wheeling and dealing.
I hate to be this guy (the one hat comes on a car forum, and asks questions that have been beaten to death), but I got to be.
What I'd like to do, is keep my wagon's current engine, but go +t. Probably something low boost, as I understand that there are probably differences in compression and durability.
So the question becomes: what can I get away with? How much boost is safe, what can be reused that's already in the car, is there a preferable turbo over the stock one (Maybe water cooling?), etc.
I'm planning on an intercooler (where ever I can fit one), possibly a smaller than stock turbo for a quicker spool. What's the stock boost on a 617?
Oh yeah, and everyone loves pictures, right?
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This post was last modified: 03-20-2013, 09:48 PM by Everybodyghost.
Everybodyghost
03-20-2013, 08:43 PM #1Hello everyone,
New to the site and to diesel engines in general. I've procured myself a 1980 300TD and a 1982 300D turbo, through some wheeling and dealing.
I hate to be this guy (the one hat comes on a car forum, and asks questions that have been beaten to death), but I got to be.
What I'd like to do, is keep my wagon's current engine, but go +t. Probably something low boost, as I understand that there are probably differences in compression and durability.
So the question becomes: what can I get away with? How much boost is safe, what can be reused that's already in the car, is there a preferable turbo over the stock one (Maybe water cooling?), etc.
I'm planning on an intercooler (where ever I can fit one), possibly a smaller than stock turbo for a quicker spool. What's the stock boost on a 617?
Oh yeah, and everyone loves pictures, right?
03-21-2013, 11:18 AM
#2
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-21-2013, 11:18 AM #2You can add a turbo, heat will kill the motor. You will need an intercooler, turbo injection pump ( or modify the NA pump), and possibly a bigger oil cooler. You should be fine so long as the EGTs stay under control.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-21-2013, 11:43 AM
#3
(03-21-2013, 11:18 AM)Simpler=Better You can add a turbo, heat will kill the motor. You will need an intercooler, turbo injection pump ( or modify the NA pump), and possibly a bigger oil cooler. You should be fine so long as the EGTs stay under control.
While I'm new to diesels, I've had a few turbos in my time. Personally, I wouldn't want to run a turbo without an intercooler (At least on a gas engine, maybe the rules are different for a diesel). I was thinking I could salvage one from a Volvo 240 or 740, they're nice and big. I'd probably have to run it sideways.
I have a turbo injection pump. Are the injectors different as well? Will have to look into an oil cooler, maybe an Rx7 or Datsun cooler would work.
I was thinking that a small turbo at 7 psi would be enough to start with.
Everybodyghost
03-21-2013, 11:43 AM #3(03-21-2013, 11:18 AM)Simpler=Better You can add a turbo, heat will kill the motor. You will need an intercooler, turbo injection pump ( or modify the NA pump), and possibly a bigger oil cooler. You should be fine so long as the EGTs stay under control.
While I'm new to diesels, I've had a few turbos in my time. Personally, I wouldn't want to run a turbo without an intercooler (At least on a gas engine, maybe the rules are different for a diesel). I was thinking I could salvage one from a Volvo 240 or 740, they're nice and big. I'd probably have to run it sideways.
I have a turbo injection pump. Are the injectors different as well? Will have to look into an oil cooler, maybe an Rx7 or Datsun cooler would work.
I was thinking that a small turbo at 7 psi would be enough to start with.
03-21-2013, 01:00 PM
#5
(03-21-2013, 11:57 AM)TheDon best bet...swap a turbo wagon engine
Are there differences between the wagon and sedan turbo engines?
Everybodyghost
03-21-2013, 01:00 PM #5(03-21-2013, 11:57 AM)TheDon best bet...swap a turbo wagon engine
Are there differences between the wagon and sedan turbo engines?
03-21-2013, 01:16 PM
#6
The turbo motors have a different cam, pistons, oil squirters, and sodium filled exhaust valves.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-21-2013, 01:16 PM #6Wagon has a hydraulic pump in the head to run the rear suspension. Some people have swapping in the power steering/ SLS pump from newer benzes when putting a sedan engine in a wagon.
The turbo motors have a different cam, pistons, oil squirters, and sodium filled exhaust valves.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-21-2013, 02:28 PM
#7
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-21-2013, 02:28 PM #7You could use a sedan turbo engine and ditch the SLS suspension and put standard coils in the rear also
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
03-21-2013, 09:46 PM
#8
(03-21-2013, 02:28 PM)willbhere4u You could use a sedan turbo engine and ditch the SLS suspension and put standard coils in the rear also
I don't know, I may have the only working sls in the world. haha.
This my have all been for nothing, a friend offered me some good cash for the turbo car. Might be too good to pass up.
This post was last modified: 03-21-2013, 09:46 PM by Everybodyghost.
Everybodyghost
03-21-2013, 09:46 PM #8(03-21-2013, 02:28 PM)willbhere4u You could use a sedan turbo engine and ditch the SLS suspension and put standard coils in the rear also
I don't know, I may have the only working sls in the world. haha.
This my have all been for nothing, a friend offered me some good cash for the turbo car. Might be too good to pass up.
03-22-2013, 08:29 AM
#9
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-22-2013, 08:29 AM #9If it's good money take it and run. You can find turbo motors in wrecked cars typically for around $600-$800.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-22-2013, 09:11 AM
#10
(03-22-2013, 08:29 AM)Simpler=Better If it's good money take it and run. You can find turbo motors in wrecked cars typically for around $600-$800.
I'd be doubling my money, I'm running. haha
Everybodyghost
03-22-2013, 09:11 AM #10(03-22-2013, 08:29 AM)Simpler=Better If it's good money take it and run. You can find turbo motors in wrecked cars typically for around $600-$800.
I'd be doubling my money, I'm running. haha
03-22-2013, 10:51 AM
#11
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-22-2013, 10:51 AM #11I have two wagons with working SLS one with 480,000 miles
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
03-23-2013, 12:14 PM
#12
(03-22-2013, 10:51 AM)willbhere4u I have two wagons with working SLS one with 480,000 miles
It was hyperbole.
Everybodyghost
03-23-2013, 12:14 PM #12(03-22-2013, 10:51 AM)willbhere4u I have two wagons with working SLS one with 480,000 miles
It was hyperbole.
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