Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP
Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP
01-27-2013, 12:58 PM
#1
For those running 606 engines they are up against a hard wall in regards to element size, and there for delivery duration, at high rates of delivery.
What if a new hybrid pump was made that used the cam of an M pump and the elements of a MW or P pump? That would allow up to 13mm elements to be run on a 606! Either the RW or RSF governor could be used as well.
Now I understand that the cost of such a pump would restrict its use to only a couple of cars, but they would have all the fuel they would want, lol.
Literally just had a thought, so I thought I would put it out there and see how off my rocker I am.
For those running 606 engines they are up against a hard wall in regards to element size, and there for delivery duration, at high rates of delivery.
What if a new hybrid pump was made that used the cam of an M pump and the elements of a MW or P pump? That would allow up to 13mm elements to be run on a 606! Either the RW or RSF governor could be used as well.
Now I understand that the cost of such a pump would restrict its use to only a couple of cars, but they would have all the fuel they would want, lol.
01-27-2013, 01:32 PM
#2
But there are 8mm m-pumps that delivers 275cc and that is enough to make over 800 hp on a OM606
EDH_Performance
01-27-2013, 01:32 PM #2Sounds like something for me
But there are 8mm m-pumps that delivers 275cc and that is enough to make over 800 hp on a OM606
01-27-2013, 02:07 PM
#3
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
P7100 pumps with 12mm elements put out an easy 650cc with no major modifications. I think 13mm would be a little large for any little engine.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
01-28-2013, 06:17 AM
#6
dieselmeken
01-28-2013, 06:17 AM #6Wish it, dream it, do it, but for what purpose? I know what cost there is to just develope a nice element that works OK, ALDA etc, Who would buy it for ex 10000 USD?
01-28-2013, 08:08 AM
#7
i love the idea , OM i think in PM i had asked about cams for the pump, or for the lift pump?
as far as your knowledge of helix angles and there relation to cam duration overlap , could in your (or dieselmekens ) endeavors to make a better element helix. design a camlobe profile to meet or exceed your goals?
the old school guys could take your cam , (idk the process) spray weld material onto the cam to build up the lobe then grind it back to the new desired specs.
what are the major differences between the m-mw pumps cams ?
ill watch this for theory but im missing 1 cyl to be relevant
This post was last modified: 01-28-2013, 08:11 AM by lpumb3.
lol , worlds fastest idi benz?
i love the idea , OM i think in PM i had asked about cams for the pump, or for the lift pump?
as far as your knowledge of helix angles and there relation to cam duration overlap , could in your (or dieselmekens ) endeavors to make a better element helix. design a camlobe profile to meet or exceed your goals?
the old school guys could take your cam , (idk the process) spray weld material onto the cam to build up the lobe then grind it back to the new desired specs.
what are the major differences between the m-mw pumps cams ?
ill watch this for theory but im missing 1 cyl to be relevant
01-28-2013, 10:52 AM
#8
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
01-28-2013, 10:52 AM #8Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
01-28-2013, 12:35 PM
#9
(01-28-2013, 06:17 AM)dieselmeken Wish it, dream it, do it, but for what purpose? I know what cost there is to just develope a nice element that works OK, ALDA etc, Who would buy it for ex 10000 USD?
For what purpose?... Why do hot sauces keep getting hotter? lol... Because it can be done lol.
Actually, the only part that has to be made is the pump case. Stock M pump cam, off the shelf MW or P elements, Stock rack parts, Stock turbo governor, ect.
(01-28-2013, 06:17 AM)dieselmeken Wish it, dream it, do it, but for what purpose? I know what cost there is to just develope a nice element that works OK, ALDA etc, Who would buy it for ex 10000 USD?
For what purpose?... Why do hot sauces keep getting hotter? lol... Because it can be done lol.
Actually, the only part that has to be made is the pump case. Stock M pump cam, off the shelf MW or P elements, Stock rack parts, Stock turbo governor, ect.
01-28-2013, 12:46 PM
#10
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This post was last modified: 01-28-2013, 12:46 PM by Mark_M.
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01-28-2013, 01:05 PM
#12
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-28-2013, 01:05 PM #12Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-28-2013, 01:38 PM
#14
(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
This post was last modified: 01-28-2013, 01:41 PM by OM616.
(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
11-20-2013, 03:43 AM
#15
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
I would love to see some resaults from this
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
11-21-2013, 03:34 AM
#17
(01-28-2013, 01:38 PM)OM616(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
Engine power: hp/rpm 2500/5550
Torque: Nm/rpm 3500/4800
Cylinders: 6 cyl / capacity
Fuel: Diesel
Injection Pump: Diesellandia
Billet 17mm
Turbocharger: Diesellandia ball bearing turbocharger 8,0 bar
Intercooler: Water cooled
390 celsius - 25 celsius
Water Injection: 7 nozzles / 40 bar
This post was last modified: 11-21-2013, 03:35 AM by _siim_.
Black beast....
(01-28-2013, 01:38 PM)OM616(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
Engine power: hp/rpm 2500/5550
Torque: Nm/rpm 3500/4800
Cylinders: 6 cyl / capacity
Fuel: Diesel
Injection Pump: Diesellandia
Billet 17mm
Turbocharger: Diesellandia ball bearing turbocharger 8,0 bar
Intercooler: Water cooled
390 celsius - 25 celsius
Water Injection: 7 nozzles / 40 bar
Black beast....
11-26-2013, 04:02 PM
#19
(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
YESS!!!!!!!!!
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-26-2013, 04:02 PM #19(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
YESS!!!!!!!!!
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-27-2013, 08:59 PM
#20
(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
Are they technically called "dual feed"? Everytime I hear dual feed I think of the injector body itself having two passageways around the needle valve instead of one.
In DI injectors at least
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
Are they technically called "dual feed"? Everytime I hear dual feed I think of the injector body itself having two passageways around the needle valve instead of one.
In DI injectors at least
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
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