+- STD (https://www.superturbodiesel.com/std)
+-- Forum: Tuning (https://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/forumdisplay.php?fid=6)
+--- Forum: Engine (https://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/forumdisplay.php?fid=7)
+--- Thread: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP (/showthread.php?tid=4299)
Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - OM616 - 01-27-2013
Literally just had a thought, so I thought I would put it out there and see how off my rocker I am.
For those running 606 engines they are up against a hard wall in regards to element size, and there for delivery duration, at high rates of delivery.
What if a new hybrid pump was made that used the cam of an M pump and the elements of a MW or P pump? That would allow up to 13mm elements to be run on a 606! Either the RW or RSF governor could be used as well.
Now I understand that the cost of such a pump would restrict its use to only a couple of cars, but they would have all the fuel they would want, lol.
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - EDH_Performance - 01-27-2013
Sounds like something for me
But there are 8mm m-pumps that delivers 275cc and that is enough to make over 800 hp on a OM606
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - MFSuper90 - 01-27-2013
P7100 pumps with 12mm elements put out an easy 650cc with no major modifications. I think 13mm would be a little large for any little engine.
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - OM616 - 01-27-2013
(01-27-2013, 01:32 PM)EDH_Performance Sounds like something for me
But there are 8mm m-pumps that delivers 275cc and that is enough to make over 800 hp on a OM606
Yes, however a larger element will allow you to deliver the same 275cc in less time.
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - lpumb3 - 01-27-2013
In teresting , a stroke of luck would have an additional pump on my bench.
To the sweet tune of part # PES5M55C320 RS108
011 34391814
0 400 075 991
617 070 4301 ER0002
Ill have my girl show me how to put up pics latrer
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - dieselmeken - 01-28-2013
Wish it, dream it, do it, but for what purpose? I know what cost there is to just develope a nice element that works OK, ALDA etc, Who would buy it for ex 10000 USD?
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - lpumb3 - 01-28-2013
lol , worlds fastest idi benz?
i love the idea , OM i think in PM i had asked about cams for the pump, or for the lift pump?
as far as your knowledge of helix angles and there relation to cam duration overlap , could in your (or dieselmekens ) endeavors to make a better element helix. design a camlobe profile to meet or exceed your goals?
the old school guys could take your cam , (idk the process) spray weld material onto the cam to build up the lobe then grind it back to the new desired specs.
what are the major differences between the m-mw pumps cams ?
ill watch this for theory but im missing 1 cyl to be relevant
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - HoleshotHolset - 01-28-2013
Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - OM616 - 01-28-2013
(01-28-2013, 06:17 AM)dieselmeken Wish it, dream it, do it, but for what purpose? I know what cost there is to just develope a nice element that works OK, ALDA etc, Who would buy it for ex 10000 USD?
For what purpose?... Why do hot sauces keep getting hotter? lol... Because it can be done lol.
Actually, the only part that has to be made is the pump case. Stock M pump cam, off the shelf MW or P elements, Stock rack parts, Stock turbo governor, ect.
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - Mark_M - 01-28-2013
You mean like this?
![[Image: 11.jpg]](http://www.herlevi.fi/dimages/11.jpg)
from http://www.herlevi.fi/products.htm
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - OM616 - 01-28-2013
That is a P pump housing, but it's cost would be very close if not the same as a MW style housing.
Any idea how much that one costs?
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - Simpler=Better - 01-28-2013
Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - Mark_M - 01-28-2013
Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - OM616 - 01-28-2013
(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - Ksteen2 - 11-20-2013
I would love to see some resaults from this
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - EDH_Performance - 11-20-2013
Bosch A-pump 9.5mm elements in a M-pump^^
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - _siim_ - 11-21-2013
(01-28-2013, 01:38 PM)OM616(01-28-2013, 01:11 PM)Mark_M Haven't a clue but I suspect if you have to ask you can't afford it. When custom delivery valves are a €1000 I imagine a whole custom pump will be eye watering!
I have my own machine shop, so I have a good idea what it would run to have a billet housing made, but it is always nice to know what the market will support, after all they made it for someone lol
(01-28-2013, 01:05 PM)Simpler=Better Is the timing the same on a P pump? Couldn't you just make a crazy adapter to fit a P pump?
Not really, it would be a total cluster and the governor is designed for slow speed operation compared to the MB engine speeds.
Engine power: hp/rpm 2500/5550
Torque: Nm/rpm 3500/4800
Cylinders: 6 cyl / capacity
Fuel: Diesel
Injection Pump: Diesellandia
Billet 17mm
Turbocharger: Diesellandia ball bearing turbocharger 8,0 bar
Intercooler: Water cooled
390 celsius - 25 celsius
Water Injection: 7 nozzles / 40 bar
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - erling66 - 11-24-2013
What about a Bosch pes6mw100/x? Will it fit a 606 with an adapter? Should provide all the fuel you will ever need with those 10mm elements
Idle will probably be an issue for those who care about that
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - sassparilla_kid - 11-26-2013
(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
YESS!!!!!!!!!
RE: Monster Hybrid 6 Cyl IP - MFSuper90 - 11-27-2013
(01-28-2013, 10:52 AM)HoleshotHolset Or we could use a 12-cylinder pump on a 6-cylinder engine. It has been done plenty of times with dual feed injectors, but good luck driving it on the street.
Beers,
Matt
Are they technically called "dual feed"? Everytime I hear dual feed I think of the injector body itself having two passageways around the needle valve instead of one.
In DI injectors at least