turbobanditen VS kkd manifolds
turbobanditen VS kkd manifolds
http://www.turbobanditen.se/shop/
- 93 300TDTMyna
- 05 S211 280cdi
does anyone have experience with turbobanditens exhaust manifolds ?
http://www.turbobanditen.se/shop/
- 93 300TDTMyna
- 05 S211 280cdi
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
12-24-2011, 02:51 AM #2holy crap!! thats really expensive! ill take the KKD manifold just cuz its like 100 bucks cheaper
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
I always suggest to go with the smaller pipe for much better response. Does it flow enough? We've seen 1000hp gasoline engines using that size, so yes it does
His manifolds are mild steel and he's certifies welder for any material (except titanium, dunno for sure though) and would be able to legally weld any component to a nuclear power plant for example. Dunno about that for the Chinese MoFo, who made Turbobandit's manifolds.
Not saying they are bad though! But I feel KKD is more at the safe choice side and fully customisable _prior_ to welding.
Hope this helps.
KKD has 38mmx2mm, but can also be any other size you might need. Other common size is 42,4x2,6mm. Manifold can be twin or single entry and wastegate option as per customers requirement.
I always suggest to go with the smaller pipe for much better response. Does it flow enough? We've seen 1000hp gasoline engines using that size, so yes it does
His manifolds are mild steel and he's certifies welder for any material (except titanium, dunno for sure though) and would be able to legally weld any component to a nuclear power plant for example. Dunno about that for the Chinese MoFo, who made Turbobandit's manifolds.
Not saying they are bad though! But I feel KKD is more at the safe choice side and fully customisable _prior_ to welding.
Hope this helps.
what i know all been satisfied the guality at KKD.He are made those alot for just racing use as drifters or drag race cars.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
KKD make alot manifolds around the world so those are used outside of Finland as well what i know all been satisfied the guality at KKD.
He are made those alot for just racing use as drifters or drag race cars.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
The debate for mild vs. stainless is not so straight forward as many thinks. The austenic form in 304 and 316 suits high temperature applications better than mild steel and withstands heat better in chemical point of view. And they are prone too crack if the larger expansion isn't taken in account in the flange and overall design. The most important thing for any manifold is to support the damn turbo!
And for any manifold, It's not the point 'if they crack' but 'when they crack'.
I would like to make mine of 309 or 309S as it has good chemical properties, doesn't need root gas. Basically it has the good points from both worlds (sst - mild)
Just don't put any wrapping on a mild steel manifold.
The debate for mild vs. stainless is not so straight forward as many thinks. The austenic form in 304 and 316 suits high temperature applications better than mild steel and withstands heat better in chemical point of view. And they are prone too crack if the larger expansion isn't taken in account in the flange and overall design. The most important thing for any manifold is to support the damn turbo!
And for any manifold, It's not the point 'if they crack' but 'when they crack'.
I would like to make mine of 309 or 309S as it has good chemical properties, doesn't need root gas. Basically it has the good points from both worlds (sst - mild)
But as you know I will have very little time for playing around with my car in the next month... :-(
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
Good to know Anton ;-)
But as you know I will have very little time for playing around with my car in the next month... :-(
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
Yes they are (Russians that is). To be honest, it's no matter where the product is being made but that matters if the QC is good or even exists...
(12-24-2011, 01:47 AM)Kennobi75 does anyone have experience with turbobanditens exhaust manifolds ?Looks China manifold
http://www.turbobanditen.se/shop/
kkdmotorsport
02-16-2012, 12:50 AM #14(12-24-2011, 01:47 AM)Kennobi75 does anyone have experience with turbobanditens exhaust manifolds ?Looks China manifold
http://www.turbobanditen.se/shop/
Would it be possible for Kalle to use 304, 309 or 309S instead of mild steel since he is likely certified for those materials?
I would much rather buy a manifold from KKD rather than Turbobanditen, I just wish KKD could use some grade of stainless, then I could use thermal wrapping on the runners. I used thermal wrapping on other project cars, and it does improve response, documented from datalogs before and after the wrap from less thermal loss, and lowers ambient temperatures within the engine compartment. I do not care about how one looks over the other, it should be mentioned
(12-29-2011, 11:54 AM)antonmies Just don't put any wrapping on a mild steel manifold.
The debate for mild vs. stainless is not so straight forward as many thinks. The austenic form in 304 and 316 suits high temperature applications better than mild steel and withstands heat better in chemical point of view. And they are prone too crack if the larger expansion isn't taken in account in the flange and overall design. The most important thing for any manifold is to support the damn turbo!
And for any manifold, It's not the point 'if they crack' but 'when they crack'.
I would like to make mine of 309 or 309S as it has good chemical properties, doesn't need root gas. Basically it has the good points from both worlds (sst - mild)
Please tell us more about not wrapping KKD manifolds. What would you suggest, a coating of some type?
Would it be possible for Kalle to use 304, 309 or 309S instead of mild steel since he is likely certified for those materials?
I would much rather buy a manifold from KKD rather than Turbobanditen, I just wish KKD could use some grade of stainless, then I could use thermal wrapping on the runners. I used thermal wrapping on other project cars, and it does improve response, documented from datalogs before and after the wrap from less thermal loss, and lowers ambient temperatures within the engine compartment. I do not care about how one looks over the other, it should be mentioned
(12-29-2011, 11:54 AM)antonmies Just don't put any wrapping on a mild steel manifold.
The debate for mild vs. stainless is not so straight forward as many thinks. The austenic form in 304 and 316 suits high temperature applications better than mild steel and withstands heat better in chemical point of view. And they are prone too crack if the larger expansion isn't taken in account in the flange and overall design. The most important thing for any manifold is to support the damn turbo!
And for any manifold, It's not the point 'if they crack' but 'when they crack'.
I would like to make mine of 309 or 309S as it has good chemical properties, doesn't need root gas. Basically it has the good points from both worlds (sst - mild)
Actually, at least from what I know referring to turbo technic, most of cracking in turbine housings occur due to fast changes between hot and cold.
So from this point of view, a wrapping should actually help to prevent cracking because of the heat isolation effect.....???
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
This confuses me a little bit.
Actually, at least from what I know referring to turbo technic, most of cracking in turbine housings occur due to fast changes between hot and cold.
So from this point of view, a wrapping should actually help to prevent cracking because of the heat isolation effect.....???
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
(02-23-2012, 01:10 AM)Savitas(12-28-2011, 08:14 PM)antonmies KKD has 38mmx2mm, but can also be any other size you might need. Other common size is 42,4x2,6mm.
42.4 mm is outside or inside pipe diametre? Thanks
Outside is the standard measurement
EDH_Performance
02-23-2012, 07:34 AM #20(02-23-2012, 01:10 AM)Savitas(12-28-2011, 08:14 PM)antonmies KKD has 38mmx2mm, but can also be any other size you might need. Other common size is 42,4x2,6mm.
42.4 mm is outside or inside pipe diametre? Thanks
Outside is the standard measurement
(02-23-2012, 07:34 AM)EDH_Performance(02-23-2012, 01:10 AM)Savitas(12-28-2011, 08:14 PM)antonmies KKD has 38mmx2mm, but can also be any other size you might need. Other common size is 42,4x2,6mm.
42.4 mm is outside or inside pipe diametre? Thanks
Outside is the standard measurement
Thanks, I just want to be sure
(02-23-2012, 07:34 AM)EDH_Performance(02-23-2012, 01:10 AM)Savitas(12-28-2011, 08:14 PM)antonmies KKD has 38mmx2mm, but can also be any other size you might need. Other common size is 42,4x2,6mm.
42.4 mm is outside or inside pipe diametre? Thanks
Outside is the standard measurement
Thanks, I just want to be sure
(02-16-2012, 02:38 PM)erling66(12-29-2011, 11:54 AM)antonmies Just don't put any wrapping on a mild steel manifold.
Why? will it get too hot and crack or twist?
From what I remember, wrapping usually promotes rust on the manifold.
Robert_UAH
03-16-2012, 02:46 PM #26(02-16-2012, 02:38 PM)erling66(12-29-2011, 11:54 AM)antonmies Just don't put any wrapping on a mild steel manifold.
Why? will it get too hot and crack or twist?
From what I remember, wrapping usually promotes rust on the manifold.
(07-12-2016, 05:10 PM)winmutt Anyone have a link to the manifolds on kkd's site?
From what I remembered they don't have a section for that. I worked with them directly through email. I would suggest going with a different company. After a two month delay, incorrect manifold design ( Sent pictures of requirements/ design and a manifold that had a warped flange you could say I wasn't too happy. Cheap heat treatment that would scratch off too easily with no effort that I had to sand blast and ceramic coat.
Obviously everyone has different experiences with the same companies but wanted to give my .2 cents.
(07-12-2016, 05:10 PM)winmutt Anyone have a link to the manifolds on kkd's site?
From what I remembered they don't have a section for that. I worked with them directly through email. I would suggest going with a different company. After a two month delay, incorrect manifold design ( Sent pictures of requirements/ design and a manifold that had a warped flange you could say I wasn't too happy. Cheap heat treatment that would scratch off too easily with no effort that I had to sand blast and ceramic coat.
Obviously everyone has different experiences with the same companies but wanted to give my .2 cents.
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