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Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-27-2012, 11:18 PM #101
Holy shit, what a day

after work I got these in the mail

the most important being the oil pan gasket.

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Then I put on my dirty short and shirt and some working shoes and went at the car.

after about an hour I was able to get the brass fitting that I am using for the return on, it tooks me two days in total for this piece of shit mostly because I made mistakes on where to position it.

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[Image: 20120627_212839.jpg]
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Then I fabricated the return hose that actually goes on the turbo.

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check the length of the hose from the turbo to brass fitting and cut the hose to appropriate size

Then I cleaned the area of dirt, metal shavings and other crap I dont want in the oil/ oil pan and removed the old gasket. The old gasket had to be original becausae is was so worn and was stuck to the pan and took me a lot of force just to get it off, but the new one is nicer Smile

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I will be taking on the throttle linkage tomorrow!
Purplecomputer
06-27-2012, 11:18 PM #101

Holy shit, what a day

after work I got these in the mail

the most important being the oil pan gasket.

[Image: 20120627_193602.jpg]

Then I put on my dirty short and shirt and some working shoes and went at the car.

after about an hour I was able to get the brass fitting that I am using for the return on, it tooks me two days in total for this piece of shit mostly because I made mistakes on where to position it.

[Image: 20120627_212832.jpg]
[Image: 20120627_212839.jpg]
[Image: 20120627_212846.jpg]

Then I fabricated the return hose that actually goes on the turbo.

[Image: 20120627_213715.jpg]
[Image: 20120627_214251.jpg]

check the length of the hose from the turbo to brass fitting and cut the hose to appropriate size

Then I cleaned the area of dirt, metal shavings and other crap I dont want in the oil/ oil pan and removed the old gasket. The old gasket had to be original becausae is was so worn and was stuck to the pan and took me a lot of force just to get it off, but the new one is nicer Smile

[Image: 20120627_221708.jpg]

I will be taking on the throttle linkage tomorrow!

ronnie
GT2559V

179
06-28-2012, 06:01 AM #102
I know what the problem was , you put shoes on, supposed to work barefooted....

Glad you got it together, sometimes simple things have a way of just taking forever and being maddening. I have been working on a boat repair for the last few days that I thought might have taken an hour or two.
ronnie
06-28-2012, 06:01 AM #102

I know what the problem was , you put shoes on, supposed to work barefooted....

Glad you got it together, sometimes simple things have a way of just taking forever and being maddening. I have been working on a boat repair for the last few days that I thought might have taken an hour or two.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-28-2012, 06:25 AM #103
(06-28-2012, 06:01 AM)ronnie I know what the problem was , you put shoes on, supposed to work barefooted....

Glad you got it together, sometimes simple things have a way of just taking forever and being maddening. I have been working on a boat repair for the last few days that I thought might have taken an hour or two.

i would have workes barefoot but the ground was covered in oil!!

i am glad i got that part done, i was almost about to give up and sell the car as is!!
Purplecomputer
06-28-2012, 06:25 AM #103

(06-28-2012, 06:01 AM)ronnie I know what the problem was , you put shoes on, supposed to work barefooted....

Glad you got it together, sometimes simple things have a way of just taking forever and being maddening. I have been working on a boat repair for the last few days that I thought might have taken an hour or two.

i would have workes barefoot but the ground was covered in oil!!

i am glad i got that part done, i was almost about to give up and sell the car as is!!

JB3
Superturbo

1,795
06-28-2012, 08:40 AM #104
that is a nice brass fitting, very elegant solution.

What is it? Looks like a bulkhead boat tank fitting?

I went with welding a threaded port to me lower oil pan, but this looks way better, ill be going this route instead I think

1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

JB3
06-28-2012, 08:40 AM #104

that is a nice brass fitting, very elegant solution.

What is it? Looks like a bulkhead boat tank fitting?

I went with welding a threaded port to me lower oil pan, but this looks way better, ill be going this route instead I think


1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-28-2012, 10:06 AM #105
(06-28-2012, 08:40 AM)JB3 that is a nice brass fitting, very elegant solution.

What is it? Looks like a bulkhead boat tank fitting?

I went with welding a threaded port to me lower oil pan, but this looks way better, ill be going this route instead I think

yup, its a bulkhead fitting for a boat. although i cant take credit for this as it was ronnies idea.
Purplecomputer
06-28-2012, 10:06 AM #105

(06-28-2012, 08:40 AM)JB3 that is a nice brass fitting, very elegant solution.

What is it? Looks like a bulkhead boat tank fitting?

I went with welding a threaded port to me lower oil pan, but this looks way better, ill be going this route instead I think

yup, its a bulkhead fitting for a boat. although i cant take credit for this as it was ronnies idea.

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
06-28-2012, 10:21 AM #106
I did almost the exact same thing but I used an an10 bulk head fitting and bolted my return hose to it

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
06-28-2012, 10:21 AM #106

I did almost the exact same thing but I used an an10 bulk head fitting and bolted my return hose to it


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-28-2012, 01:24 PM #107
(06-28-2012, 10:21 AM)willbhere4u I did almost the exact same thing but I used an an10 bulk head fitting and bolted my return hose to it

I had both but i drilled to much, made the hole to big and just went with the brass fitting.

Right now im taking a lunch break, been working on the throttle linkage. Have to remove the old bar that runs across the firewall and weld a few things
Purplecomputer
06-28-2012, 01:24 PM #107

(06-28-2012, 10:21 AM)willbhere4u I did almost the exact same thing but I used an an10 bulk head fitting and bolted my return hose to it

I had both but i drilled to much, made the hole to big and just went with the brass fitting.

Right now im taking a lunch break, been working on the throttle linkage. Have to remove the old bar that runs across the firewall and weld a few things

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-28-2012, 08:06 PM #108
OKay I am done for the day and I will lose a day tomorrow, I have to work and also go to some family part after work, sucks.

Heres what I did.

I put back the oil pan and Had to remove one of the A/C lines because it was in the way of the turbo return, so I will figure something out but for now it dosnt matter because my A/C is dead.

I figured out how to use the welder today, never used it once in my life and even thought i looks ugly as hell its actually very solid the weld I did, proud of myself!

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Then I tried to figure out the throttle linkage set up, took me a while to get everything in and stuff but its much stiffer now and looks like it will work great althought I did someone manage to let the idle cable go all the way into its sleeve.....

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Then I removed the injectors becuase I will ultrasonic clean them for now until I can get greazzer to do it professionally.

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crush washer were also pretty dirty

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Purplecomputer
06-28-2012, 08:06 PM #108

OKay I am done for the day and I will lose a day tomorrow, I have to work and also go to some family part after work, sucks.

Heres what I did.

I put back the oil pan and Had to remove one of the A/C lines because it was in the way of the turbo return, so I will figure something out but for now it dosnt matter because my A/C is dead.

I figured out how to use the welder today, never used it once in my life and even thought i looks ugly as hell its actually very solid the weld I did, proud of myself!

[Image: 20120628_174429.jpg]
[Image: 20120628_174439.jpg]

Then I tried to figure out the throttle linkage set up, took me a while to get everything in and stuff but its much stiffer now and looks like it will work great althought I did someone manage to let the idle cable go all the way into its sleeve.....

[Image: 20120628_203822.jpg]

Then I removed the injectors becuase I will ultrasonic clean them for now until I can get greazzer to do it professionally.

[Image: 20120628_121440.jpg]

crush washer were also pretty dirty

[Image: 20120628_121455.jpg]

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
06-29-2012, 08:41 AM #109
For a first weld, that's great. Most people would have burned straight through. If it fails (you know you're going to want to stomp on the accelerator :p) it looks like you could use more heat and a slightly lower wire feed rate. Also, cleaning the surfaces to bare metal before welding, and making sure you have a perfect ground will help a lot. My brother likes to tack weld the ground clamp to the work piece (redneck way I know, but it works)

Are your glow plugs connected with a giant solid wire? That's awesome!
This post was last modified: 06-29-2012, 08:42 AM by Simpler=Better.

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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
06-29-2012, 08:41 AM #109

For a first weld, that's great. Most people would have burned straight through. If it fails (you know you're going to want to stomp on the accelerator :p) it looks like you could use more heat and a slightly lower wire feed rate. Also, cleaning the surfaces to bare metal before welding, and making sure you have a perfect ground will help a lot. My brother likes to tack weld the ground clamp to the work piece (redneck way I know, but it works)

Are your glow plugs connected with a giant solid wire? That's awesome!


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
06-29-2012, 02:58 PM #110
Make sure you replace the heat shields they are one time use!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
06-29-2012, 02:58 PM #110

Make sure you replace the heat shields they are one time use!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-29-2012, 03:12 PM #111
(06-29-2012, 02:58 PM)willbhere4u Make sure you replace the heat shields they are one time use!

oh yeah! totally forgot about that, Ill pick some up today
Purplecomputer
06-29-2012, 03:12 PM #111

(06-29-2012, 02:58 PM)willbhere4u Make sure you replace the heat shields they are one time use!

oh yeah! totally forgot about that, Ill pick some up today

ronnie
GT2559V

179
06-29-2012, 04:32 PM #112
You will need the seal rings for the pc's too if you (we?) take them out to ream the burn holes.

By the way on the welding, both parts have galvinazation on them so lightly grinding to bare metal will help with a cleaner weld. Good first time try, should hold.
ronnie
06-29-2012, 04:32 PM #112

You will need the seal rings for the pc's too if you (we?) take them out to ream the burn holes.

By the way on the welding, both parts have galvinazation on them so lightly grinding to bare metal will help with a cleaner weld. Good first time try, should hold.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-29-2012, 05:01 PM #113
(06-29-2012, 04:32 PM)ronnie You will need the seal rings for the pc's too if you (we?) take them out to ream the burn holes.

By the way on the welding, both parts have galvinazation on them so lightly grinding to bare metal will help with a cleaner weld. Good first time try, should hold.

I plan on heading up there sometime in july. Ill let ya know my friend
Purplecomputer
06-29-2012, 05:01 PM #113

(06-29-2012, 04:32 PM)ronnie You will need the seal rings for the pc's too if you (we?) take them out to ream the burn holes.

By the way on the welding, both parts have galvinazation on them so lightly grinding to bare metal will help with a cleaner weld. Good first time try, should hold.

I plan on heading up there sometime in july. Ill let ya know my friend

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-30-2012, 10:40 AM #114
Hey guys so this morning so far I got the throttle linkage all set up, phew!

heres what it looks like trying to re use what I can and not spend money, I tested it and works pretty well. I will need a new idle cable though becuase the one I have is all frayed but for now it is fine.

[Image: 20120630_113524.jpg]

Now, I was taking a look at the air filter housing and I have no Idea what this little opening on the bottom is for!

[Image: 20120630_113512.jpg]

can I just cap this? I hope so I dont really feel like doing any modifications

also I have the ultrasonic cleaner, gonna get to some cleaning today

[Image: 20120630_113535.jpg]

hopefully I can tackle the exhaust today
This post was last modified: 06-30-2012, 10:41 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
06-30-2012, 10:40 AM #114

Hey guys so this morning so far I got the throttle linkage all set up, phew!

heres what it looks like trying to re use what I can and not spend money, I tested it and works pretty well. I will need a new idle cable though becuase the one I have is all frayed but for now it is fine.

[Image: 20120630_113524.jpg]

Now, I was taking a look at the air filter housing and I have no Idea what this little opening on the bottom is for!

[Image: 20120630_113512.jpg]

can I just cap this? I hope so I dont really feel like doing any modifications

also I have the ultrasonic cleaner, gonna get to some cleaning today

[Image: 20120630_113535.jpg]

hopefully I can tackle the exhaust today

aaa
GT2256V

913
06-30-2012, 11:01 AM #115
That's the oil separator, turbo models have that inside the aircleaner. Where are you putting the normal 240d oil separator? If you're keeping the 240d one you can ignore the one in the aircleaner. If you want to use the turbo oil separator then you will have to deal with the different blowby oil drain, you can see the 240d drain is in a totally different spot.
aaa
06-30-2012, 11:01 AM #115

That's the oil separator, turbo models have that inside the aircleaner. Where are you putting the normal 240d oil separator? If you're keeping the 240d one you can ignore the one in the aircleaner. If you want to use the turbo oil separator then you will have to deal with the different blowby oil drain, you can see the 240d drain is in a totally different spot.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-30-2012, 12:12 PM #116
(06-30-2012, 11:01 AM)aaa That's the oil separator, turbo models have that inside the aircleaner. Where are you putting the normal 240d oil separator? If you're keeping the 240d one you can ignore the one in the aircleaner. If you want to use the turbo oil separator then you will have to deal with the different blowby oil drain, you can see the 240d drain is in a totally different spot.

oil whaaa? I had no such thing on the original one unless you mean that black hose that went from the valve cover to the intake minifold?

did a little googlin and looks like I have the "old" style or something along those lines so I dont have an oil serperator.
This post was last modified: 06-30-2012, 12:19 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
06-30-2012, 12:12 PM #116

(06-30-2012, 11:01 AM)aaa That's the oil separator, turbo models have that inside the aircleaner. Where are you putting the normal 240d oil separator? If you're keeping the 240d one you can ignore the one in the aircleaner. If you want to use the turbo oil separator then you will have to deal with the different blowby oil drain, you can see the 240d drain is in a totally different spot.

oil whaaa? I had no such thing on the original one unless you mean that black hose that went from the valve cover to the intake minifold?

did a little googlin and looks like I have the "old" style or something along those lines so I dont have an oil serperator.

ronnie
GT2559V

179
06-30-2012, 01:02 PM #117
Yours does not have the oil seperater, only newer ones. On the 300d air cleaner I just plugged the drain on it. Of course yours being an older engine you may have some oil in the blowby, so you may want to just run the drain to a catch can. It seems like the 300's had two drains in the oil pan. not at home at the moment so can't check that, maybe some else with a 300 will speak up.

Idle cable, in the process of tuning your ip that can be eliminated. As a proper idle can be had without haveing to mess with a manuel adjustment all the time.
ronnie
06-30-2012, 01:02 PM #117

Yours does not have the oil seperater, only newer ones. On the 300d air cleaner I just plugged the drain on it. Of course yours being an older engine you may have some oil in the blowby, so you may want to just run the drain to a catch can. It seems like the 300's had two drains in the oil pan. not at home at the moment so can't check that, maybe some else with a 300 will speak up.

Idle cable, in the process of tuning your ip that can be eliminated. As a proper idle can be had without haveing to mess with a manuel adjustment all the time.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-30-2012, 01:18 PM #118
(06-30-2012, 01:02 PM)ronnie Yours does not have the oil seperater, only newer ones. On the 300d air cleaner I just plugged the drain on it. Of course yours being an older engine you may have some oil in the blowby, so you may want to just run the drain to a catch can. It seems like the 300's had two drains in the oil pan. not at home at the moment so can't check that, maybe some else with a 300 will speak up.

Idle cable, in the process of tuning your ip that can be eliminated. As a proper idle can be had without haveing to mess with a manuel adjustment all the time.

excellent! this is good news. I hate the idle cable, always having to adjust while im driving. I am going to go to a muffler shop today and just have them connect the turbo to the exhaust i have in place. I am so tired of working i would rather pay a few dollars for someone elses labor right now.
Purplecomputer
06-30-2012, 01:18 PM #118

(06-30-2012, 01:02 PM)ronnie Yours does not have the oil seperater, only newer ones. On the 300d air cleaner I just plugged the drain on it. Of course yours being an older engine you may have some oil in the blowby, so you may want to just run the drain to a catch can. It seems like the 300's had two drains in the oil pan. not at home at the moment so can't check that, maybe some else with a 300 will speak up.

Idle cable, in the process of tuning your ip that can be eliminated. As a proper idle can be had without haveing to mess with a manuel adjustment all the time.

excellent! this is good news. I hate the idle cable, always having to adjust while im driving. I am going to go to a muffler shop today and just have them connect the turbo to the exhaust i have in place. I am so tired of working i would rather pay a few dollars for someone elses labor right now.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
06-30-2012, 06:34 PM #119
got a little naughty and decided to start it without the complete exhaust Big Grin

[Image: th_20120630_185023.jpg]

(click for video)

starting it was good because I was able to spot a few oil leaks.
This post was last modified: 06-30-2012, 06:34 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
06-30-2012, 06:34 PM #119

got a little naughty and decided to start it without the complete exhaust Big Grin

[Image: th_20120630_185023.jpg]

(click for video)

starting it was good because I was able to spot a few oil leaks.

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
06-30-2012, 08:03 PM #120
sounds good!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
06-30-2012, 08:03 PM #120

sounds good!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-02-2012, 08:19 AM #121
Cars done!

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I still need to install my guages but thats easy. I will do that tonight.

I took the car for a virgin run last night. All is well OIL pressure stays constant, the car is noticably peppier. I removed the exhaust and just left the down pipe for now, With the turbo whistling and the mean exhasust sound it sounds pretty good.

I will be keeping an eye on oil level as it has dropped but I put in two gallons of oil (8 Quarts) So i am assuming thats the oil getting into every nook and crany
Purplecomputer
07-02-2012, 08:19 AM #121

Cars done!

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[Image: 20120701_170440.jpg]
[Image: 20120701_170445.jpg]
[Image: 20120701_170451.jpg]
[Image: 20120701_170502.jpg]


I still need to install my guages but thats easy. I will do that tonight.

I took the car for a virgin run last night. All is well OIL pressure stays constant, the car is noticably peppier. I removed the exhaust and just left the down pipe for now, With the turbo whistling and the mean exhasust sound it sounds pretty good.

I will be keeping an eye on oil level as it has dropped but I put in two gallons of oil (8 Quarts) So i am assuming thats the oil getting into every nook and crany

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-02-2012, 08:28 AM #122
Now that you have heard it run without an exhaust, you have been tainted. The only solution is a hood stack Big Grin

Time to turn up that pump!

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-02-2012, 08:28 AM #122

Now that you have heard it run without an exhaust, you have been tainted. The only solution is a hood stack Big Grin

Time to turn up that pump!


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-02-2012, 09:18 AM #123
(07-02-2012, 08:28 AM)Simpler=Better Now that you have heard it run without an exhaust, you have been tainted. The only solution is a hood stack Big Grin

Time to turn up that pump!

yeah, I can deffinately feel that car needs more fuel.

the idle cable keeps coming loose causing the car to go to a very low idle and my oil pressure drops

also while its still connected the oil pressure drops from 45psi while cruising highway at stop lights its around 30psi, this was also common when i was running it without the turbo. Is this normal for me?
This post was last modified: 07-02-2012, 12:07 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-02-2012, 09:18 AM #123

(07-02-2012, 08:28 AM)Simpler=Better Now that you have heard it run without an exhaust, you have been tainted. The only solution is a hood stack Big Grin

Time to turn up that pump!

yeah, I can deffinately feel that car needs more fuel.

the idle cable keeps coming loose causing the car to go to a very low idle and my oil pressure drops

also while its still connected the oil pressure drops from 45psi while cruising highway at stop lights its around 30psi, this was also common when i was running it without the turbo. Is this normal for me?

DeliveryValve
Superturbo

1,338
07-02-2012, 01:09 PM #124
Nice Great Job on this!

Your oil pressure seems normal to me.


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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



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DeliveryValve
07-02-2012, 01:09 PM #124

Nice Great Job on this!

Your oil pressure seems normal to me.


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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!



.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-02-2012, 01:53 PM #125
(07-02-2012, 01:09 PM)DeliveryValve Nice Great Job on this!

Your oil pressure seems normal to me.


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great, I always thought I had to stay at 45psi at all times. This makes me less worried
Purplecomputer
07-02-2012, 01:53 PM #125

(07-02-2012, 01:09 PM)DeliveryValve Nice Great Job on this!

Your oil pressure seems normal to me.


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great, I always thought I had to stay at 45psi at all times. This makes me less worried

ronnie
GT2559V

179
07-02-2012, 05:10 PM #126
Think 10, or 15 is the factory minimum for oil pressure at idle, warmed up. so no worries.

Looks nice.
ronnie
07-02-2012, 05:10 PM #126

Think 10, or 15 is the factory minimum for oil pressure at idle, warmed up. so no worries.

Looks nice.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-02-2012, 07:55 PM #127
(07-02-2012, 05:10 PM)ronnie Think 10, or 15 is the factory minimum for oil pressure at idle, warmed up. so no worries.

Looks nice.


Woah, Really? Had no idea.

I got the gauges hoooked up. I think my EGT is no good because it always read 1600 degrees on all 6 colors and looks like it read 1200 degrees on teal. I got the glowshift gauges. Boost gauge dosnt work And I think thats becuase I hooked it up wrong. Not sure. Have to read the instructions more carefully.

actually it might be because of a broken wastegate maybe

EDIT:

Okay deffinately hooked up the boost gauge wrong but it powers on and should still show boost but it dosnt....

Another edit:

I honestly have no idea what im doing. I tapped the T that I got from the boost gauge into the line from the wastegate. After some reading everyone is either T'ing into hoses that go into the intake or getting a brass fitting and drilling it into the intake manifold.

Is this true?
This post was last modified: 07-02-2012, 08:55 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-02-2012, 07:55 PM #127

(07-02-2012, 05:10 PM)ronnie Think 10, or 15 is the factory minimum for oil pressure at idle, warmed up. so no worries.

Looks nice.


Woah, Really? Had no idea.

I got the gauges hoooked up. I think my EGT is no good because it always read 1600 degrees on all 6 colors and looks like it read 1200 degrees on teal. I got the glowshift gauges. Boost gauge dosnt work And I think thats becuase I hooked it up wrong. Not sure. Have to read the instructions more carefully.

actually it might be because of a broken wastegate maybe

EDIT:

Okay deffinately hooked up the boost gauge wrong but it powers on and should still show boost but it dosnt....

Another edit:

I honestly have no idea what im doing. I tapped the T that I got from the boost gauge into the line from the wastegate. After some reading everyone is either T'ing into hoses that go into the intake or getting a brass fitting and drilling it into the intake manifold.

Is this true?

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
07-02-2012, 09:23 PM #128
Most people use the line that goes to the ALDA, but I guess that isn't really an option for you

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
07-02-2012, 09:23 PM #128

Most people use the line that goes to the ALDA, but I guess that isn't really an option for you


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

aaa
GT2256V

913
07-02-2012, 09:51 PM #129
Either way works. It should work fine coming from the compressor housing.

Try cranking up the engine rpm, maybe it only builds boost later.
aaa
07-02-2012, 09:51 PM #129

Either way works. It should work fine coming from the compressor housing.

Try cranking up the engine rpm, maybe it only builds boost later.

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
07-03-2012, 01:58 AM #130
Is it an electric boost gauge??

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
07-03-2012, 01:58 AM #130

Is it an electric boost gauge??


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-03-2012, 08:05 AM #131
Let's see some pics of the gauges, model #s, etc.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-03-2012, 08:05 AM #131

Let's see some pics of the gauges, model #s, etc.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-03-2012, 09:01 AM #132
(07-03-2012, 01:58 AM)sassparilla_kid Is it an electric boost gauge??

I think so

(07-03-2012, 08:05 AM)Simpler=Better Let's see some pics of the gauges, model #s, etc.

This is the boost

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/black-7-c...gauge.aspx

this is the egt

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/Black-7-C...Gauge.aspx

the egt acts funny, it keeps jumping temps all around. Last night though it was weird, looked like it was displaying a correct temp. I was getting around 1200 hard accelerating and around 600 highway. as soon as you change a color it jumps up 200 degrees, change it again and it could drop 300

il take some pictures of the gauges and set up tonight.
This post was last modified: 07-03-2012, 09:04 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-03-2012, 09:01 AM #132

(07-03-2012, 01:58 AM)sassparilla_kid Is it an electric boost gauge??

I think so

(07-03-2012, 08:05 AM)Simpler=Better Let's see some pics of the gauges, model #s, etc.

This is the boost

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/black-7-c...gauge.aspx

this is the egt

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/Black-7-C...Gauge.aspx

the egt acts funny, it keeps jumping temps all around. Last night though it was weird, looked like it was displaying a correct temp. I was getting around 1200 hard accelerating and around 600 highway. as soon as you change a color it jumps up 200 degrees, change it again and it could drop 300

il take some pictures of the gauges and set up tonight.

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-03-2012, 10:06 AM #133
The boost gauge is mechanical, as long as it's properly hooked up you're good to go.

The pyrometer sounds like you have a poor ground / power supply, make sure you've run a clean ground and a clean hot to the gauge. My guess is that changing colors sucks power down and gives you funky readings. Did you extend the pyrometer sending wires anywhere?

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-03-2012, 10:06 AM #133

The boost gauge is mechanical, as long as it's properly hooked up you're good to go.

The pyrometer sounds like you have a poor ground / power supply, make sure you've run a clean ground and a clean hot to the gauge. My guess is that changing colors sucks power down and gives you funky readings. Did you extend the pyrometer sending wires anywhere?


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-03-2012, 10:16 AM #134
(07-03-2012, 10:06 AM)Simpler=Better The boost gauge is mechanical, as long as it's properly hooked up you're good to go.

The pyrometer sounds like you have a poor ground / power supply, make sure you've run a clean ground and a clean hot to the gauge. My guess is that changing colors sucks power down and gives you funky readings. Did you extend the pyrometer sending wires anywhere?

hmm, never thought of that. I ran the ground to the negative terminal on the battery and ran the 12 volt to the ignition fuse, but I think I have it wrong as there is a yellow wire and red. The red goes to the 12v ignition fuse and then the yellow goes to battery, I missed that part. I did the same for the boost gauge

also I feel as if a lot of power is gone to waste since there is a pretty large gap between the turbo outlet and intake manifold. I will get a piece of pipe to extend the manifolds opening and weld it on.

so far two days of driving and no oil leaks which was my number one concern.

heres a list of what I still need to do.

-Finish the exhaust system ( I will be straight piping it all the way to the back)
-Properly install my gauges
-Fix the gap between turbo outlet and intake mani
-Tune IP for more fuel/better performance (I will be visiting my friend Ronnie for that)
- Intall my rear bumper
- I need new tires
- Wash and wax the car Big Grin
This post was last modified: 07-03-2012, 10:25 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-03-2012, 10:16 AM #134

(07-03-2012, 10:06 AM)Simpler=Better The boost gauge is mechanical, as long as it's properly hooked up you're good to go.

The pyrometer sounds like you have a poor ground / power supply, make sure you've run a clean ground and a clean hot to the gauge. My guess is that changing colors sucks power down and gives you funky readings. Did you extend the pyrometer sending wires anywhere?

hmm, never thought of that. I ran the ground to the negative terminal on the battery and ran the 12 volt to the ignition fuse, but I think I have it wrong as there is a yellow wire and red. The red goes to the 12v ignition fuse and then the yellow goes to battery, I missed that part. I did the same for the boost gauge

also I feel as if a lot of power is gone to waste since there is a pretty large gap between the turbo outlet and intake manifold. I will get a piece of pipe to extend the manifolds opening and weld it on.

so far two days of driving and no oil leaks which was my number one concern.

heres a list of what I still need to do.

-Finish the exhaust system ( I will be straight piping it all the way to the back)
-Properly install my gauges
-Fix the gap between turbo outlet and intake mani
-Tune IP for more fuel/better performance (I will be visiting my friend Ronnie for that)
- Intall my rear bumper
- I need new tires
- Wash and wax the car Big Grin

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-03-2012, 01:14 PM #135
Did you port match everything when it was off the car? The connecting pipe is pretty meaty, there are theoretical gains to be had if you take the time to transition it. Like this:

[Image: t3coupler.jpg]

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-03-2012, 01:14 PM #135

Did you port match everything when it was off the car? The connecting pipe is pretty meaty, there are theoretical gains to be had if you take the time to transition it. Like this:

[Image: t3coupler.jpg]


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-03-2012, 01:50 PM #136
[quote='Simpler=Better' pid='42786' dateline='1341339243']
Did you port match everything when it was off the car? The connecting pipe is pretty meaty, there are theoretical gains to be had if you take the time to transition

no i didnt, had no idea. do they sell that pipe?
This post was last modified: 07-03-2012, 02:35 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-03-2012, 01:50 PM #136

[quote='Simpler=Better' pid='42786' dateline='1341339243']
Did you port match everything when it was off the car? The connecting pipe is pretty meaty, there are theoretical gains to be had if you take the time to transition

no i didnt, had no idea. do they sell that pipe?

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-03-2012, 02:44 PM #137
Wait, do you not have a connecting pipe in your setup? If you don't have one I can mail you one of my old ones, it's sharp-lipped though. Just takes dremel time to make it smooth like that.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-03-2012, 02:44 PM #137

Wait, do you not have a connecting pipe in your setup? If you don't have one I can mail you one of my old ones, it's sharp-lipped though. Just takes dremel time to make it smooth like that.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

ronnie
GT2559V

179
07-03-2012, 05:29 PM #138
Are you missing that piece, should not be any gap? Don't think I have a spare. I did not port match mine, however if you are missing it, and have to put one on, it may well be worth cleaning it up.

Not going to be much boost until it is in, just too much leakage. If everything it air tight, you may get a few pounds to maybe 5 psi boost until more fuel is added.
ronnie
07-03-2012, 05:29 PM #138

Are you missing that piece, should not be any gap? Don't think I have a spare. I did not port match mine, however if you are missing it, and have to put one on, it may well be worth cleaning it up.

Not going to be much boost until it is in, just too much leakage. If everything it air tight, you may get a few pounds to maybe 5 psi boost until more fuel is added.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-03-2012, 08:23 PM #139
(07-03-2012, 02:44 PM)Simpler=Better Wait, do you not have a connecting pipe in your setup? If you don't have one I can mail you one of my old ones, it's sharp-lipped though. Just takes dremel time to make it smooth like that.

Nope, dont have it. I knew I was doing something wrong..
Purplecomputer
07-03-2012, 08:23 PM #139

(07-03-2012, 02:44 PM)Simpler=Better Wait, do you not have a connecting pipe in your setup? If you don't have one I can mail you one of my old ones, it's sharp-lipped though. Just takes dremel time to make it smooth like that.

Nope, dont have it. I knew I was doing something wrong..

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-19-2012, 01:50 PM #140
so my car was hit on the side today on the way to get new tires.... Paints all scratched and I have a huge dent on the passenger side rear door. I could always wet sand the scratches out but I dunno how ill get the dent out. Damage is pretty minimal thought.
Purplecomputer
07-19-2012, 01:50 PM #140

so my car was hit on the side today on the way to get new tires.... Paints all scratched and I have a huge dent on the passenger side rear door. I could always wet sand the scratches out but I dunno how ill get the dent out. Damage is pretty minimal thought.

Kozuka
I'm_Badass

334
07-19-2012, 02:54 PM #141
Hey. you can always get a new door! ^_^

Glad your ok.

1983 300TD : 4 Speed : SLS Delete : More. Daily Deathcab
1987 190E/16v/OM603 : 5 Speed : SLS Delete : Lots More..W201 Project
Kozuka
07-19-2012, 02:54 PM #141

Hey. you can always get a new door! ^_^

Glad your ok.


1983 300TD : 4 Speed : SLS Delete : More. Daily Deathcab
1987 190E/16v/OM603 : 5 Speed : SLS Delete : Lots More..W201 Project

ronnie
GT2559V

179
07-19-2012, 05:29 PM #142
Bummer. I have an extra rear door, it is dark blue though. Might be better to fix your door unless to bad.

By the way found a dyno close to home, so maybe a little more tuning on mine then I;ll give it a try. $80 for three pulls, and they do diesels.
ronnie
07-19-2012, 05:29 PM #142

Bummer. I have an extra rear door, it is dark blue though. Might be better to fix your door unless to bad.

By the way found a dyno close to home, so maybe a little more tuning on mine then I;ll give it a try. $80 for three pulls, and they do diesels.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-20-2012, 08:30 AM #143
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[Image: 20120720_090610.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_090616.jpg]
damage isnt too bad. I could always wet sand the scartch out since its not very deep (what i mean is, it didnt go down to the metal) the ding isnt too bad. I could always try that stupid heater/compressed air trick and work the metal.
Purplecomputer
07-20-2012, 08:30 AM #143

[Image: 20120720_090606.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_090610.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_090616.jpg]
damage isnt too bad. I could always wet sand the scartch out since its not very deep (what i mean is, it didnt go down to the metal) the ding isnt too bad. I could always try that stupid heater/compressed air trick and work the metal.

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-20-2012, 02:51 PM #144
FML....

I was stuck in traffic when a lady stopped short and i was distracted with the radio and BAM.

Now the front end of my car is completely fucked. The grill is busted, needs to be replaced. The driver side headlight is busted completely and now the bumper is a little messed up.

[Image: 20120720_162340.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_162405.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_162411.jpg]
This post was last modified: 07-20-2012, 03:58 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-20-2012, 02:51 PM #144

FML....

I was stuck in traffic when a lady stopped short and i was distracted with the radio and BAM.

Now the front end of my car is completely fucked. The grill is busted, needs to be replaced. The driver side headlight is busted completely and now the bumper is a little messed up.

[Image: 20120720_162340.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_162405.jpg]
[Image: 20120720_162411.jpg]

w123love
Stockish

354
07-20-2012, 05:45 PM #145
dawwwwww Sad I’m bummed for you man!

if it don’t blow black...take it back.

1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty

The VEGEWGN
w123love
07-20-2012, 05:45 PM #145

dawwwwww Sad I’m bummed for you man!


if it don’t blow black...take it back.

1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty

The VEGEWGN

sassparilla_kid
diesel > all other fuels

1,618
07-20-2012, 08:35 PM #146
Fuuuuu....................... I would have just killed those people. You are having shitty luck these past few days, maybe/hopefully that means you'll get lucky and find some killer deals soon or something

-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
07-20-2012, 08:35 PM #146

Fuuuuu....................... I would have just killed those people. You are having shitty luck these past few days, maybe/hopefully that means you'll get lucky and find some killer deals soon or something


-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-21-2012, 10:48 AM #147
(07-20-2012, 08:35 PM)sassparilla_kid Fuuuuu....................... I would have just killed those people. You are having shitty luck these past few days, maybe/hopefully that means you'll get lucky and find some killer deals soon or something

I have my fathers bad luck. Everything that could happens, happens. Im going to repair the car, and I have a gut feeling that maybe i was never supposed to have this car, so I might sell it after the repair and move onto something else. Not sure yet..

ordered a new set of corners and head lights and my buddy ronnie is sending me a new grill monday. So for now Ill just rock on side dot sealed beams and the other side euro's. Im also gonna pull out the fender a lil bit. Any tips are appreciated
This post was last modified: 07-21-2012, 10:53 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
07-21-2012, 10:48 AM #147

(07-20-2012, 08:35 PM)sassparilla_kid Fuuuuu....................... I would have just killed those people. You are having shitty luck these past few days, maybe/hopefully that means you'll get lucky and find some killer deals soon or something

I have my fathers bad luck. Everything that could happens, happens. Im going to repair the car, and I have a gut feeling that maybe i was never supposed to have this car, so I might sell it after the repair and move onto something else. Not sure yet..

ordered a new set of corners and head lights and my buddy ronnie is sending me a new grill monday. So for now Ill just rock on side dot sealed beams and the other side euro's. Im also gonna pull out the fender a lil bit. Any tips are appreciated

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
07-21-2012, 11:38 AM #148
I have a spare grille. It's not perfect, doesn't have an emblem, but it's your for shipping.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-21-2012, 11:38 AM #148

I have a spare grille. It's not perfect, doesn't have an emblem, but it's your for shipping.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Purplecomputer
Slowness 220D

897
07-21-2012, 11:59 AM #149
(07-21-2012, 11:38 AM)Simpler=Better I have a spare grille. It's not perfect, doesn't have an emblem, but it's your for shipping.

thanks but I already have a replacement on the way. Do you think I should find a fender the same color and replace it? this ones a little shot, might be better to replace it?
Purplecomputer
07-21-2012, 11:59 AM #149

(07-21-2012, 11:38 AM)Simpler=Better I have a spare grille. It's not perfect, doesn't have an emblem, but it's your for shipping.

thanks but I already have a replacement on the way. Do you think I should find a fender the same color and replace it? this ones a little shot, might be better to replace it?

Greazzer
Superturbo

1,277
07-21-2012, 02:31 PM #150
Here's the EBAY stuff


NEW Mercedes Euro 123 rear bumper bracket 230 250 280E 240D 300D 280CE
Item Id: 330730591414
End time: Jun-09-12 11:38:39 PDT
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Purplecomputer:

Goto DieselGiant and he has a post on replacing a fender
This post was last modified: 07-21-2012, 02:36 PM by Greazzer.

Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

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Greazzer
07-21-2012, 02:31 PM #150

Here's the EBAY stuff


NEW Mercedes Euro 123 rear bumper bracket 230 250 280E 240D 300D 280CE
Item Id: 330730591414
End time: Jun-09-12 11:38:39 PDT
Buyer:
blevyone (4)
100.0% Positive Feedback
Member since Jun-22-05 in United States
Location: SC, United States

Listing Status: This message was sent while the listing was active.


Purplecomputer:

Goto DieselGiant and he has a post on replacing a fender


Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020

visit:  www.dieselfuelinjector.guru

Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.

RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982.  Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...

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