OM606.910 with Eaton M90- How to max out the pes6 55 pump?
OM606.910 with Eaton M90- How to max out the pes6 55 pump?
08-25-2011, 09:01 AM
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I have mounted a OM606.910 in my w201, and i also have mounted a Eaton M90 on it. It makes about 0.05bars at idle and around 0.8 at 3000-3500rpm.
What do i have to do, to get the maximum out om my stock M pump? The pump has 5.5mm elements.
I have turned the full-load screw ccw 2 rounds, and the same to the coarse idle screw.
The Engine is more powerful, but i dont think i`ve got more than 10hp yet.
So my question is, how many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?
and can i do something with the clock that i have on the top of my IP?
(Looks like an alda)
Is there any other mods i can do?
Best regards Daniel
This post was last modified: 08-25-2011, 02:24 PM by winmutt.
EDH_Performance
08-25-2011, 09:01 AM #1Hi guys,
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I have mounted a OM606.910 in my w201, and i also have mounted a Eaton M90 on it. It makes about 0.05bars at idle and around 0.8 at 3000-3500rpm.
What do i have to do, to get the maximum out om my stock M pump? The pump has 5.5mm elements.
I have turned the full-load screw ccw 2 rounds, and the same to the coarse idle screw.
The Engine is more powerful, but i dont think i`ve got more than 10hp yet.
So my question is, how many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?
and can i do something with the clock that i have on the top of my IP?
(Looks like an alda)
Is there any other mods i can do?
Best regards Daniel
08-25-2011, 12:22 PM
#2
Either way, your project looks good!
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
Find a set of 6mm elements from someone who has upgraded. Also, I don't think the M90 will provide the quantity of boost you may be looking for. Even with 6mm elements, you may only get around 200+ HP.
Either way, your project looks good!
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
08-25-2011, 02:27 PM
#3
(08-25-2011, 09:01 AM)EDH_Performance So my question is, how many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?
Your rack is electronically controlled right?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
08-25-2011, 08:03 PM
#4
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
The .910 is the 124 version.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
08-26-2011, 04:04 AM
#5
BUT in the meanwhile, i want to adjust the pump to give me what the 5.5mm elemenets can give
The pump is NOT electrical controlled!
I have already adjusted the full-load screw CCW 2 turns, i helped, but not more than maybe 10hp... I have 0.8BAR i boost at 3000 rpm, soo plenty of boost is there!
How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?
Is there some else trick i can do to the pump?
EDH_Performance
08-26-2011, 04:04 AM #5A turbo is on it`s way guys, and also 7mm elements....
BUT in the meanwhile, i want to adjust the pump to give me what the 5.5mm elemenets can give
The pump is NOT electrical controlled!
I have already adjusted the full-load screw CCW 2 turns, i helped, but not more than maybe 10hp... I have 0.8BAR i boost at 3000 rpm, soo plenty of boost is there!
How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?
Is there some else trick i can do to the pump?
08-26-2011, 06:53 AM
#6
(08-26-2011, 04:04 AM)EDH_Performance How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?As long as you keep track of what you are doing you can always back it off. Just be prepared for a run away.
How many psi do you see at 1800RPM?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(08-26-2011, 04:04 AM)EDH_Performance How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?As long as you keep track of what you are doing you can always back it off. Just be prepared for a run away.
How many psi do you see at 1800RPM?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
08-26-2011, 07:17 AM
#7
(08-26-2011, 06:53 AM)winmutt(08-26-2011, 04:04 AM)EDH_Performance How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?As long as you keep track of what you are doing you can always back it off. Just be prepared for a run away.
How many psi do you see at 1800RPM?
I have about 0.35 at 1800
But the problem is now, that with my intake, it`s very hard to get access to the back of the pump...
I have adjusted alot of rotor-pumps, but never a inline pump... But have anyone done 4-5 turns ccw to the full-load screw?
EDH_Performance
08-26-2011, 07:17 AM #7(08-26-2011, 06:53 AM)winmutt(08-26-2011, 04:04 AM)EDH_Performance How many turns can i adjust the full-load screw?As long as you keep track of what you are doing you can always back it off. Just be prepared for a run away.
How many psi do you see at 1800RPM?
I have about 0.35 at 1800
But the problem is now, that with my intake, it`s very hard to get access to the back of the pump...
I have adjusted alot of rotor-pumps, but never a inline pump... But have anyone done 4-5 turns ccw to the full-load screw?
08-26-2011, 07:35 AM
#8
No one has really fiddled around with the M pump that much yet. I will be doing some tweaking on mine.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...nd-M-pumps
Quote:4: Now you should have full access to the governor of the pump. To increase the full-load fuel quantity, loosen the jam nut, and turn screw 2f (bottom left) out (CCW). Make careful note of the position of the slot, before & after adjustment. Try 1.5 turns total for the first adjustment, or go in half-turn increments if you don't want to max it out. For the OM617, this will bring power near that of the stock MW-Pump. NOTE: Poor idle quality (1000rpm+ unloaded, 500rpm in gear) is known above 1.75 turns for the OM60x and above 5 turns on the OM61x. 2 turns CCW of the nut 2K (idling auxiliary spring) will restore the idle speeds to normal.
So yes on the 617, no on the 60x. GSXR might be good person to ask.
This post was last modified: 08-26-2011, 07:37 AM by winmutt.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Some info for you http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...-OM617-952
No one has really fiddled around with the M pump that much yet. I will be doing some tweaking on mine.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...nd-M-pumps
Quote:4: Now you should have full access to the governor of the pump. To increase the full-load fuel quantity, loosen the jam nut, and turn screw 2f (bottom left) out (CCW). Make careful note of the position of the slot, before & after adjustment. Try 1.5 turns total for the first adjustment, or go in half-turn increments if you don't want to max it out. For the OM617, this will bring power near that of the stock MW-Pump. NOTE: Poor idle quality (1000rpm+ unloaded, 500rpm in gear) is known above 1.75 turns for the OM60x and above 5 turns on the OM61x. 2 turns CCW of the nut 2K (idling auxiliary spring) will restore the idle speeds to normal.
So yes on the 617, no on the 60x. GSXR might be good person to ask.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
08-26-2011, 07:45 AM
#9
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
This post was last modified: 08-26-2011, 07:48 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
08-26-2011, 07:45 AM #9I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
08-26-2011, 05:16 PM
#10
(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi, if this is the m pump then you don't have a rack limiter.
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
I followed om616's guide and it worked a treat. If you screw the fuel up to much and the tc and it won't return to idle just screw the throttle stop screw ccw. It really works believe me. Currently running 323hp on mechanical m pump on om605.
(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi, if this is the m pump then you don't have a rack limiter.
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
I followed om616's guide and it worked a treat. If you screw the fuel up to much and the tc and it won't return to idle just screw the throttle stop screw ccw. It really works believe me. Currently running 323hp on mechanical m pump on om605.
08-30-2011, 06:02 AM
#11
Now I have a MUCH better understanding of how the govenors works! I will play around with my pump now!! But a question, can I park the car in an angle, so the oil in the IP wil not drain out? Maybe then I can adjust the IP when the engine is running?
Or is it not possible becuase of all the oil spill
? EDH_Performance
08-30-2011, 06:02 AM #11I haven`t seen this om616`s guide before today, and that was the best information ever Now I have a MUCH better understanding of how the govenors works! I will play around with my pump now!!
But a question, can I park the car in an angle, so the oil in the IP wil not drain out? Maybe then I can adjust the IP when the engine is running?
Or is it not possible becuase of all the oil spill?
08-31-2011, 03:20 AM
#12
(not driving, clear)
You are doing this with the intake removed?
No problem just take care of the air flow from the turbo that sprays slightly oil when reving up (gives you nice oil spots in the face, don't ask why I know).
Tom
there is not too much oil coming out, maybe 50 ml when you open the back cover. During running the oil isn't actually shooting out it just drops.
(not driving, clear)
You are doing this with the intake removed?
No problem just take care of the air flow from the turbo that sprays slightly oil when reving up (gives you nice oil spots in the face, don't ask why I know).
Tom
08-31-2011, 06:34 AM
#13
(08-31-2011, 03:20 AM)tomnik there is not too much oil coming out, maybe 50 ml when you open the back cover. During running the oil isn't actually shooting out it just drops.
(not driving, clear)
You are doing this with the intake removed?
No problem just take care of the air flow from the turbo that sprays slightly oil when reving up (gives you nice oil spots in the face, don't ask why I know).
Tom
Great news
I will try to adjust the pump soon, with the intake on...Then i can see if there is black smoke, with boost!
EDH_Performance
08-31-2011, 06:34 AM #13(08-31-2011, 03:20 AM)tomnik there is not too much oil coming out, maybe 50 ml when you open the back cover. During running the oil isn't actually shooting out it just drops.
(not driving, clear)
You are doing this with the intake removed?
No problem just take care of the air flow from the turbo that sprays slightly oil when reving up (gives you nice oil spots in the face, don't ask why I know).
Tom
Great news
I will try to adjust the pump soon, with the intake on...Then i can see if there is black smoke, with boost!
08-31-2011, 03:57 PM
#16
(08-31-2011, 10:31 AM)winmutt(08-31-2011, 10:28 AM)tomnik you won't get boost without driving..
He can power brake it, the FSM specifies this.
I don`t have a turbo yet, guys...But it is on it`s way
I have just an Eaton m90 that is making 0.8 bar in boost, in neutral, at around 4000rpm!
So no powerbraking in this yard
Can i remove the ADA, and lock the rod in the upper position for more fuel?
I know people are doing it with the ALDA...
This post was last modified: 08-31-2011, 03:58 PM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
08-31-2011, 03:57 PM #16(08-31-2011, 10:31 AM)winmutt(08-31-2011, 10:28 AM)tomnik you won't get boost without driving..
He can power brake it, the FSM specifies this.
I don`t have a turbo yet, guys...But it is on it`s way
I have just an Eaton m90 that is making 0.8 bar in boost, in neutral, at around 4000rpm!
So no powerbraking in this yard
Can i remove the ADA, and lock the rod in the upper position for more fuel?
I know people are doing it with the ALDA...
08-31-2011, 05:10 PM
#17
(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi,
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
what did you do to get 5800rpm
thanks
wayne
(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi,
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
what did you do to get 5800rpm
thanks
wayne
09-01-2011, 04:02 AM
#18
(08-31-2011, 05:10 PM)mantaheadhi,(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi,
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
what did you do to get 5800rpm
thanks
wayne
Orginally the fuelcut off was around 5500 on my 0m606, but after some minor adjustments on full-load screw on the pump, it pulls all the way to 5800
I will adjust the pump more later, like the tourq controle This post was last modified: 09-01-2011, 04:13 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
09-01-2011, 04:02 AM #18(08-31-2011, 05:10 PM)mantaheadhi,(08-26-2011, 07:45 AM)EDH_Performance I have no poor idle at those rpm`s, the engine is pulling fine from idle to 5800rpm.hi,
The 55 pump can deliver max around 170hp have i read here on this forum. So i hope someone can guide me into what i need to do with the pump. I will try to adjust it a bit more on the full load screw.
Will it help to remove the rack limiter?
what did you do to get 5800rpm
thanks
wayne
Orginally the fuelcut off was around 5500 on my 0m606, but after some minor adjustments on full-load screw on the pump, it pulls all the way to 5800
I will adjust the pump more later, like the tourq controle
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