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ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 11-01-2013

Instad of linear pump of OM602, changed to VE pump


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-14-2013

start


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-14-2013

Om602 GTB2260

This is a "fully rev car" (total tunnnin according to the owner of car)

Look the video Big Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51zCjkS54ns

OM616 VE pump without turbo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq6XqCI8Bls

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - hansendk - 12-14-2013

Well first its not a 602 but a 662 2,9 L engine in the SsangYong second the 1 one the picture is a NA model with a aftermarket or homemade turbo/intercooler set on it

my own 2,9 OE turbo intercooler is much faster than the car in the video only with max fuel pump setting and KN filter
but nice project what pump are you using Audi/ VW 2,5 TDI or the older IDI version
what are the power goals and are you getting it on the dyno.


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-14-2013

(12-14-2013, 11:06 AM)hansendk Well first its not a 602 but a 662 2,9 L engine in the SsangYong second the 1 one the picture is a NA model with a aftermarket or homemade turbo/intercooler set on it

my own 2,9 OE turbo intercooler is much faster than the car in the video only with max fuel pump setting and KN filter
but nice project what pump are you using Audi/ VW 2,5 TDI or the older IDI version
what are the power goals and are you getting it on the dyno.

Hi,

The 2.5 audi's pump rotate on the oposite direction as this (original) engine.
I'd like about 200 HP. (without smoke)

Offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-14-2013

parts

offroaddiesel

parts

offroddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-18-2013

repaire

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - Ksteen2 - 12-20-2013

how did you get this to work?
interested in a ve pump on mine to, they make a lot more fuel then the m pumps.


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-20-2013

(12-20-2013, 08:17 AM)Ksteen2 how did you get this to work?
interested in a ve pump on mine to, they make a lot more fuel then the m pumps.

Hi,

Do you want to know how much more fuel is distributed by V pump than the M pump?
I do this work because I can solve 200 Hp by this pump.
Curtanly the M pump is working well, but I don't do any of it.

Offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 12-30-2013

in take

offroaddieselhu

in take

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RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-06-2014

ve pump

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-06-2014

VE pump

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - Simpler=Better - 01-06-2014

If you ever come to visit Maryland bring your tools and I'll provide the beer Big Grin


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-07-2014

(01-06-2014, 04:38 PM)Simpler=Better If you ever come to visit Maryland bring your tools and I'll provide the beer Big Grin

Smile

offroaddieselhu

I send you a bit HP

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=550478825012435


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - sorin_cel - 01-07-2014

video made in romania


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-07-2014

Pretty sweet. Really wish they made a 5cyl VE pump so I could toy with one on my 617. They do produce a very good amount of fuel, and they have dynamic timing. Be much much cheaper than a built M pump.

Can you achieve full fueling to high rpm? I always heard they had trouble keeping case pressure at high rpm


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-07-2014

(01-07-2014, 04:04 PM)sorin_cel video made in romania

The pump is made by offroaddieselhu (and the turbo too )

offroaddieselhu

first start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVaWvfSXCXs

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - Duncansport - 01-07-2014

(01-07-2014, 04:18 PM)MFSuper90 Pretty sweet. Really wish they made a 5cyl VE pump so I could toy with one on my 617. They do produce a very good amount of fuel, and they have dynamic timing. Be much much cheaper than a built M pump.

Can you achieve full fueling to high rpm? I always heard they had trouble keeping case pressure at high rpm

I would have to say based on this thread about a 5 cylinder 602 with a ve pump they do indeed make one.....


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-07-2014

(01-07-2014, 07:12 PM)Duncansport
(01-07-2014, 04:18 PM)MFSuper90 Pretty sweet. Really wish they made a 5cyl VE pump so I could toy with one on my 617. They do produce a very good amount of fuel, and they have dynamic timing. Be much much cheaper than a built M pump.

Can you achieve full fueling to high rpm? I always heard they had trouble keeping case pressure at high rpm

I would have to say based on this thread about a 5 cylinder 602 with a ve pump they do indeed make one.....

Duh... I guess I should have payed more attention...

I'm still curious to how reliable and effecient they are at high rpm

Where did that adapter come from? I'm not familiar with the 602, but it looks factory?
Looks like you could also adjust the timing on the adapter and the pump.


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-08-2014

(01-07-2014, 11:29 PM)MFSuper90
(01-07-2014, 07:12 PM)Duncansport
(01-07-2014, 04:18 PM)MFSuper90 Pretty sweet. Really wish they made a 5cyl VE pump so I could toy with one on my 617. They do produce a very good amount of fuel, and they have dynamic timing. Be much much cheaper than a built M pump.

Can you achieve full fueling to high rpm? I always heard they had trouble keeping case pressure at high rpm

I would have to say based on this thread about a 5 cylinder 602 with a ve pump they do indeed make one.....

Duh... I guess I should have payed more attention...

I'm still curious to how reliable and effecient they are at high rpm

Where did that adapter come from? I'm not familiar with the 602, but it looks factory?
Looks like you could also adjust the timing on the adapter and the pump.


What is heigt rpm, and what hp do you want on that rpm ?

offroaddieselhu




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RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-08-2014

I would say to 5500rpm? And 200-225hp


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 11:14 AM)MFSuper90 I would say to 5500rpm? And 200-225hp

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/images/smilies/huh.gif

joke ?

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-08-2014

No joke, is it possible with the VE?

I don't know, that's why I am asking


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - _siim_ - 01-08-2014

easily


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 12:02 PM)MFSuper90 No joke, is it possible with the VE?

I don't know, that's why I am asking

It's just a toy

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=555341411218958

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 12:17 PM)_siim_ easily

Can you explain? I just wonder why the Cummins guys with 14mm VE pumps have trouble above 3k rpm. Do you think they just aren't getting the pumps built correctly?


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - muuris - 01-08-2014

The problem with VE is that even if you get enough fuel at high rpm, the injection duration is long compared to properly built inline pump. As there's always only one rotary piston, the problem is much worse with 6cyl than with 4cyl. Bigger distributor head shortens the duration, but I don't see i.e. 14mm VE realiable enough for a daily driver.

250hp is still easy, but in practice at closer to 4500 than 5500 revs. Max revs can be whatever you want, but don't expect to have serious power high up.


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 02:24 PM)MFSuper90
(01-08-2014, 12:17 PM)_siim_ easily

Can you explain? I just wonder why the Cummins guys with 14mm VE pumps have trouble above 3k rpm. Do you think they just aren't getting the pumps built correctly?

The Cummins guys don't want only 200 HP!!!
It is very important whether they use prechamber engine or direct?!
Important the size of injectors and the pressure of injectors.

They want much more hp and for it the Ve pump is smalll inside (the parts of it)

offroaddieselhu

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=243205412522709&set=vb.100004997560030&type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=243192845857299&set=vb.100004997560030&type=2&theater

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RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - Duncansport - 01-08-2014

Could there just be a new section called Rotary vs Inline... Seems like this discussion is always coming up every time offroaddieselhu posts a project that he has done with a VE pump.


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 04:29 PM)Duncansport Could there just be a new section called Rotary vs Inline... Seems like discussion this is always coming up every time offroaddieselhu posts a project that he has done with a VE pump.

new project will decide the dispute biturbo OM606 VE pump

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-08-2014

(01-08-2014, 04:29 PM)Duncansport Could there just be a new section called Rotary vs Inline... Seems like discussion this is always coming up every time offroaddieselhu posts a project that he has done with a VE pump.

Not a bad idea, I know they are direct injection and pushing a lot more fuel than these little merc engines

But we have a 354ci Perkins that's runs a modded 330cc roosamaster pump that turns well over 4500rpm and we have had no problems with it yet. I just wonder what makes the difference


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-09-2014

(01-08-2014, 05:55 PM)MFSuper90
(01-08-2014, 04:29 PM)Duncansport Could there just be a new section called Rotary vs Inline... Seems like discussion this is always coming up every time offroaddieselhu posts a project that he has done with a VE pump.

Not a bad idea, I know they are direct injection and pushing a lot more fuel than these little merc engines

But we have a 354ci Perkins that's runs a modded 330cc roosamaster pump that turns well over 4500rpm and we have had no problems with it yet. I just wonder what makes the difference

Is there any turbo on your truck yet ?

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-09-2014

It's in a tractor actually, and it had a Borg Warner s300 based turbo, a little larger than 60mm inducer


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-10-2014

(01-09-2014, 04:47 PM)MFSuper90 It's in a tractor actually, and it had a Borg Warner s300 based turbo, a little larger than 60mm inducer

Is that an geomatric VGT turbo? (VNT)?
How much fluel distributed by pump?

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-10-2014

(01-10-2014, 05:17 AM)offroaddieselhu
(01-09-2014, 04:47 PM)MFSuper90 It's in a tractor actually, and it had a Borg Warner s300 based turbo, a little larger than 60mm inducer

Is that an geomatric VGT turbo? (VNT)?
How much fluel distributed by pump?

offroaddieselhu

Nope, it is fixed geometry. It's a pulling tractor, so no need for vgt.
Pump puts out 330cc


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-10-2014

(01-10-2014, 03:35 PM)MFSuper90
(01-10-2014, 05:17 AM)offroaddieselhu
(01-09-2014, 04:47 PM)MFSuper90 It's in a tractor actually, and it had a Borg Warner s300 based turbo, a little larger than 60mm inducer

Is that an geomatric VGT turbo? (VNT)?
How much fluel distributed by pump?

offroaddieselhu

Nope, it is fixed geometry. It's a pulling tractor, so no need for vgt.
Pump puts out 330cc

700-800 HP ?

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-10-2014

Not sure honestly, but it doesn't burn very clean. I doubt it is 800hp, never had it dynoed and the turbo is too small to support that hp. But spool up is a big deal for us


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - dekeinsan - 01-11-2014

Hello,
I have the same engine as yours, om602.980 from sprinter in my g wagen for 4 years.
It is rotary pump direct injection electronically controlled.

My aim is also to get around 200hp without electronics And sensors involved.

Is your engine using any electronics with this rotary pump?


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-11-2014

hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sWoEvN9fH8

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-13-2014

(01-11-2014, 04:08 AM)dekeinsan Hello,
I have the same engine as yours, om602.980 from sprinter in my g wagen for 4 years.
It is rotary pump direct injection electronically controlled.

My aim is also to get around 200hp without electronics And sensors involved.

Is your engine using any electronics with this rotary pump?

Hi,

Your engine is like in the above mantioned topic:

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-OM-602-G-Mercedes-build-for-off-road-racing

You only must build a VE pump, and put to it an GTB2260 or GT23v.
Off course I haven't any electronic parts in pump.

offroaddieselhu

(01-10-2014, 07:15 PM)MFSuper90 Not sure honestly, but it doesn't burn very clean. I doubt it is 800hp, never had it dynoed and the turbo is too small to support that hp. But spool up is a big deal for us

HI,

What is the 330cc?


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-13-2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9c4QgI8jk

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-13-2014

The injection pump. Göran's 8mm pump puts out 180cc if I remember right, our roosamaster was built to supply 330cc


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-13-2014

(01-13-2014, 08:35 AM)MFSuper90 The injection pump. Göran's 8mm pump puts out 180cc if I remember right, our roosamaster was built to supply 330cc

330cc =330 cm^3

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - MFSuper90 - 01-13-2014

correct, sorry I should have made that more clear


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - dekeinsan - 01-14-2014

(01-13-2014, 05:04 AM)offroaddieselhu [quote='dekeinsan' pid='59534' dateline='1389431305']
Hello,
I have the same engine as yours, om602.980 from sprinter in my g wagen for 4 years.
It is rotary pump direct injection electronically controlled.

My aim is also to get around 200hp without electronics And sensors involved.

Is your engine using any electronics with this rotary pump?

Hi,

Your engine is like in the above mantioned topic:

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-OM-602-G-Mercedes-build-for-off-road-racing

You only must build a VE pump, and put to it an GTB2260 or GT23v.
Off course I haven't any electronic parts in pump.

My engine is direct injection, do I have to make any changes about it?
Which parts will I need to change it to mechanical pump?

My G wagen is already chipped and the engine is in very good condition but your accelaration in the video is far beyond it's performance.

I have 38.5inch boggers and 6.17 ring/pinion...


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-17-2014

The next step is the two phase injectors.

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-19-2014

the two phase injectors.

offroaddieselhu


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 01-21-2014

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RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-29-2014

it will got a 11 blade billet compressor wheel


RE: ssangyong musso OM602 VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-30-2014

11 blade

offroaddieselhu