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OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 04-28-2013
OM616 building with VEpump and turbo of OM602
VE pump
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - willbhere4u - 04-29-2013
Interesting the VE is a rotary pump correct?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 04-29-2013
(04-29-2013, 09:27 AM)willbhere4u Interesting the VE is a rotary pump correct?
yes
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - willbhere4u - 04-29-2013
That should be cool
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - Simpler=Better - 04-29-2013
I've wanted to do something like this for a while glad to see it being attempted
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 04-29-2013
Like a Bosch VE?
Those things can throw some serious fuel, even in stock form.
Just fitted one to my 318 perkins within the past couple months.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 04-30-2013
It will be MB207 bus with sof turbo. Only with max 0.7 bar charge pressure. 10x2.3 pump. It is just to have bit greater torque,and to optimlizate the consumption. I would like to hold the consuption on the same lever, even if the engine is stronger.
MB 207
BOSCH VE
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-01-2013
I shuold pass to here the pump.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - GeorgeHasmanda - 05-02-2013
From wich car is the VE pump?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-02-2013
(05-02-2013, 10:49 AM)GeorgeHasmanda From wich car is the VE pump?
This is speceal pump from Bosch part. Builed 10 element. It is just for 100-120 HP.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-02-2013
10mmx2.3? Lame
My pump is 12mm from the factory
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-03-2013
(05-02-2013, 08:29 PM)MFSuper90 10mmx2.3? Lame
My pump is 12mm from the factory
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - GeorgeHasmanda - 05-04-2013
(05-02-2013, 12:41 PM)offroaddieselhuWhen can I make VE pump on OM604, what stock pump I need?(05-02-2013, 10:49 AM)GeorgeHasmanda From wich car is the VE pump?
This is speceal pump from Bosch part. Builed 10 element. It is just for 100-120 HP.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-04-2013
(05-04-2013, 03:10 AM)GeorgeHasmanda(05-02-2013, 12:41 PM)offroaddieselhuWhen can I make VE pump on OM604, what stock pump I need?(05-02-2013, 10:49 AM)GeorgeHasmanda From wich car is the VE pump?
This is speceal pump from Bosch part. Builed 10 element. It is just for 100-120 HP.
What would you like to do with your Om 604 car? Would you like to change your Lucas pump( it's waste?) or you want tunning?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-04-2013
(05-03-2013, 05:13 AM)offroaddieselhu(05-02-2013, 08:29 PM)MFSuper90 10mmx2.3? Lame
My pump is 12mm from the factory
You stated earlier you had a 10x2.3 pump. I took that as you meant a 10mm head and rotor, and a 2.3mm camplate?
Maybe we were talking about completely different things
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-05-2013
What you mean 12mm?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-05-2013
3 mm...
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-05-2013
I probe VE pump
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-05-2013
(05-05-2013, 05:40 AM)offroaddieselhu What you mean 12mm?
I mean the head on my VE pump is 12mm.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-05-2013
(05-05-2013, 12:58 PM)MFSuper90(05-05-2013, 05:40 AM)offroaddieselhu What you mean 12mm?
I mean the head on my VE pump is 12mm.
what is 12 VE pump ?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-05-2013
(05-05-2013, 02:44 PM)offroaddieselhu(05-05-2013, 12:58 PM)MFSuper90(05-05-2013, 05:40 AM)offroaddieselhu What you mean 12mm?
I mean the head on my VE pump is 12mm.
what is 12 VE pump ?
I dont think I am understanding what you are asking. Sorry for clogging up your thread!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - GeorgeHasmanda - 05-07-2013
(05-04-2013, 04:15 AM)offroaddieselhuI have OM604 without pump and i don't like ECU.(05-04-2013, 03:10 AM)GeorgeHasmanda(05-02-2013, 12:41 PM)offroaddieselhu This is speceal pump from Bosch part. Builed 10 element. It is just for 100-120 HP.When can I make VE pump on OM604, what stock pump I need?
What would you like to do with your Om 604 car? Would you like to change your Lucas pump( it's waste?) or you want tunning?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-07-2013
(05-07-2013, 01:25 AM)GeorgeHasmanda(05-04-2013, 04:15 AM)offroaddieselhuI have OM604 without pump and i don't like ECU.(05-04-2013, 03:10 AM)GeorgeHasmanda When can I make VE pump on OM604, what stock pump I need?
What would you like to do with your Om 604 car? Would you like to change your Lucas pump( it's waste?) or you want tunning?
What is your plan with your car?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-18-2013
high-pressure pipe folding
(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-18-2013
(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEDA385F4QM
(05-18-2013, 04:16 PM)offroaddieselhu(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEDA385F4QM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKidmsVM8E0
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-20-2013
(05-18-2013, 04:16 PM)offroaddieselhu(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
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high-pressure pipe folding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEDA385F4QM
(05-18-2013, 04:16 PM)offroaddieselhuwithout pre-charged http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUcb5G9s0RY(05-18-2013, 09:02 AM)offroaddieselhu high-pressure pipe folding
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEDA385F4QM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKidmsVM8E0
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-20-2013
Looks good!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-24-2013
older VE pump OM606 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoiCIz1HyBM
(05-20-2013, 07:25 PM)MFSuper90 Looks good!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-24-2013
work on OM616
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrBixPlRjI
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrBixPlRjI
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrBixPlRjI
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616
(05-24-2013, 03:30 PM)offroaddieselhu work on OM616http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrBixPlRjI
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-29-2013
The changes good in the car.
And now will come the next step: TURBO
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - Simpler=Better - 05-29-2013
The pump looks like it came there from the factory
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 05-29-2013
(05-29-2013, 07:41 AM)Simpler=Better The pump looks like it came there from the factory
Thaks,
From mini factory
I would try this kind of pump (VE) on a BIG POWER engine!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 05-29-2013
I run that same pump on my 400 cubic inch Perkins pulling tractor. Pushes alot of fuel, more fuel than it can take without a turbo!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-05-2013
"new" injektor
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-06-2013
(06-05-2013, 05:35 AM)offroaddieselhu "new" injektor
1.9 td vw
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 06-06-2013
Are you only using the tips?
Or are the hole injector bodies the same?
What are the benefits?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-06-2013
(06-06-2013, 04:34 PM)MFSuper90 Are you only using the tips?
Or are the hole injector bodies the same?
What are the benefits?
It's works quieter, better injection (spraying)
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - MFSuper90 - 06-06-2013
More power? I am looking to put injectors in my om617, but I am not sure which to choose
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-07-2013
(06-06-2013, 09:11 PM)MFSuper90 More power? I am looking to put injectors in my om617, but I am not sure which to choose
I don't know how it's works in inline pump, but it's works on 150 bar. The quantity maybe you can change but the preinjection will be lower. (but it will not be god probably.
Offroaddieselhu
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - GeorgeHasmanda - 06-10-2013
(05-07-2013, 04:44 AM)offroaddieselhuHello,I have OM604 with OM601 injection pump.Engine didn't cold start(05-07-2013, 01:25 AM)GeorgeHasmanda(05-04-2013, 04:15 AM)offroaddieselhu What would you like to do with your Om 604 car? Would you like to change your Lucas pump( it's waste?) or you want tunning?I have OM604 without pump and i don't like ECU.
What is your plan with your car?
without start spray,fluctuating idle,some explosions in exhaust and white smoke,timming is 15 degrees ATDC.I tried stroboskop with piezo sensor on injection pipe on first cilinder and timming was 28 degrees BTDC.Thx
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - OM616 - 06-10-2013
(06-07-2013, 05:16 AM)offroaddieselhu(06-06-2013, 09:11 PM)MFSuper90 More power? I am looking to put injectors in my om617, but I am not sure which to choose
I don't know how it's works in inline pump, but it's works on 150 bar. The quantity maybe you can change but the preinjection will be lower. (but it will not be god probably.
Offroaddieselhu
The VW injectors require very fast delivery times in order operate both stages, the VE pumps have 10/12mm elements that can deliver the fuel fast enough to reach the secondary pop pressures.
With the 5.5mm elements in the inline pumps only the primary stage is being used. With 10mm elements they may be useable, but with 5.5 or 6mm they are not a good match.
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-10-2013
The VW injectors require very fast delivery times in order operate both stages, the VE pumps have 10/12mm elements that can deliver the fuel fast enough to reach the secondary pop pressures.
With the 5.5mm elements in the inline pumps only the primary stage is being used. With 10mm elements they may be useable, but with 5.5 or 6mm they are not a good match.
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The VW basically this injector gos with 9mm element.
Offroaddieselhu
Hello,I have OM604 with OM601 injection pump.Engine didn't cold start
without start spray,fluctuating idle,some explosions in exhaust and white smoke,timming is 15 degrees ATDC.I tried stroboskop with piezo sensor on injection pipe on first cilinder and timming was 28 degrees BTDC.Thx
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Hi,
If you would set OM601 injectors to own opening pressure it would work certainly, but not this is the solution!
Offroaddieselhu
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-20-2013
150 bar injector
New strat with 150 bar injectors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNQL1mV6x_0
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-21-2013
(06-20-2013, 10:23 AM)offroaddieselhu 150 bar injector
New strat with 150 bar injectors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNQL1mV6x_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq6XqCI8Bls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v38jwVZ3VQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUybiLRDnKgtuoh8itXs2hZQ
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-22-2013
Now we can strat to build the turbo project!
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - Kozuka - 06-23-2013
What collar are you using to put the VE pump to the chain drive sprocket (the om602 sprinter one?) and what VE pump are you using?
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-24-2013
(06-23-2013, 06:43 PM)Kozuka What collar are you using to put the VE pump to the chain drive sprocket (the om602 sprinter one?) and what VE pump are you using?
Hi,
I don't understand your problem. Please writte me exactly!
You can see on the photho my solution.
Offroaddieselhu
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - Kozuka - 06-24-2013
You know, the spline adapter that fits inside the engine and drives the pump. Which one did you use, where did you source it? Trying to figure out what's involved in a VE pump conversion.
Did you have to change the drive sprocket (that is driven by the engine timing chain) because of the automatic advance?
Why did you need a spacer for the pump to the block? Was your spline adapter too long?
Devils in the details, if someone wants to replicate this. Maybe me, the 5,000rpm limit doesn't bother me in my wagon. Possibly a cheaper way to sub-300hp. 12mm head, 3.3mm cam plate, VW rabbit governer spring, big injectors, & boost. Could be a fun project.
Pic of the adapter spline collar on an om602 VE pump 310-312D sprinter van.
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RE: OM616 building with VE pump - offroaddieselhu - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 10:51 AM)Kozuka You know, the spline adapter that fits inside the engine and drives the pump. Which one did you use, where did you source it? Trying to figure out what's involved in a VE pump conversion.
Did you have to change the drive sprocket (that is driven by the engine timing chain) because of the automatic advance?
Why did you need a spacer for the pump to the block? Was your spline adapter too long?
Devils in the details, if someone wants to replicate this. Maybe me, the 5,000rpm limit doesn't bother me in my wagon. Possibly a cheaper way to sub-300hp. 12mm head, 3.3mm cam plate, VW rabbit governer spring, big injectors, & boost. Could be a fun project.
Pic of the adapter spline collar on an om602 VE pump 310-312D sprinter van.
I welded the automatic advance.
The thin-axis goes up to the old VE Pump Parts feeder wheel drive
RE: OM616 building with VE pump - Kozuka - 06-24-2013
Did you use the om602 sprinter spline adapter on the input shaft or do you have another source for them? That's the main hurdle to making this work state side is that rinky-dink spline adapter that they didn't sell here but they did in Europe. Almost willing to spend the $400 to get a whole pump for that little piece.