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RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - diesel2fast4u - 02-18-2012
(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
C30cdi pump?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - racerxoffl - 02-18-2012
(02-18-2012, 02:08 AM)majesty78 Are you talking about importperformancetrans (IPT) ?
I emailed them two or three times; never received a reply .... :-(
Yes, IPT never responded to my emails, just an automated sales response. I dealt with Ty and the only written responses are when Fedex picked up my items.
I had a faulty radiator (known mb issue) and when the trans died there were contaminants everywhere... So I just got it up and running changing fluid twice before sending the valve body. The results speak fir themselves.
I am still not 100% happy so I bought Eurocharged's TCU tune on their black Friday sale. Next time they are in town they are going to be tuning me to a 114octane ethanol race gas. Between that, my over-sized intake valves (3 valve) and new under development throttle body I do not doubt I will break 400whp on a mustang dyno.
Back to IPT, it was delay after delay. The biggest delay was the core tq converter they had tried to build for my car "exploded" on their dyno. This was a good thing showing all of their work is tested and certified before it left. They never gave into my pressure to go faster and I can say 3 years later nothing they supplied has ever caused an issue.
Don
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 02-19-2012
(02-18-2012, 01:34 PM)diesel2fast4u(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
C30cdi pump?
Yes it is.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - diesel2fast4u - 02-21-2012
(02-19-2012, 02:05 PM)tuikku(02-18-2012, 01:34 PM)diesel2fast4u(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
C30cdi pump?
Yes it is.
By any chance you wouldn't know of a rail pressure sensor around 1800 bar that fits the 613rail?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - majesty78 - 02-21-2012
I hope Mr. Tuikku doesn't mind ^^ :
A0061536528
Rail pressure sensor
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - mao76 - 09-12-2012
hi boys excused the language but am I using google traslated, thing it means 12cm or 16mm in general unloading, to which ar it corresponds? you excuse me I am Italian and I don't know this type of measures, I would want to climb on on my bmw330d a turbocharger as hx35 or a gtx3071r which of the two according to you from less lag, would want to do on the 380hp
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - giorgosktel82 - 11-27-2013
(01-16-2011, 05:15 AM)tuikkuhello!(01-15-2011, 06:38 PM)Riverstick Hi Tuikku...
1. China
2. Maybe the line itself from tank to engine is ok.
But extra pump is a good suggestion.
I personally prefer some cheaper solution, maybe just simple fuel-pump near tank with over-pressure and over flow cut-off.
First the orig parts in very very good shape.
3. Part number is A6120700287
Bosch 0445110 151 or ...152
4. No, it is still equal, program orders it.
That means larger fuelling, all the time, if it is not corrected to right from program.
Wrong air/fuel rate, smoke.
But, if it is told "right" in program, ewerything works, like orig again.
Not vey difficult, but needs work.
i am thinking to upgrade my e320 cdi w210
i have bought c30 amg injectors
c30 amg diesel pump with front upper engine cover,belt e.t.c
c 30 amg air/water cooler,inlet hoses and map sensor
s 400 cdi water pump for air/water cooler
complete rail from om 648 with 1600 bar sensor and new type regulator
c 30 amg differential,transmission controll unit.
s 400 cdi converter and transmission valve block
c 30 amg pistons forged?
i decide to buy a bigger turbo and new exhaust pipe.
my basic/big problem is the coding of the engine controll unit.
i would like to delete inlet port actuator motor (m55)
elab,egr , changing the settings for map sensor,injectors,rail pressure sensor and increase rail pressure, boost pressure and fuel quantity.
is someone interested to do this job or do you know someone who can do this?
thank you
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-11-2014
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Heh
Yet I found this old thread ...
I do not have MB in me any more, my wife still driving a one.
Ihave now a BMW 530, nearly stock.
Majesty78 (Alex) made a hybrid turbo for that.
Other mods are just "basic", better cooler and downpipe.
Stock injectors waren´t as big as I was expected.
But still gives quite a nice power.
SW made by me
![[Image: xbikip.jpg]](http://i62.tinypic.com/xbikip.jpg)
My very good friend here have a 320cdi V6 (W211)
MB has better injectors, piezo.
Otherwise same mods, than me.
Turbo made by Antonmies
375 hp / 3740 rpm
845 Nm / 2771 rpm
![[Image: 2hgsfue.jpg]](http://i59.tinypic.com/2hgsfue.jpg)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - majesty78 - 11-11-2014
He is still alive :-)
Nice to see results, BMW turbo spools up very fast I must say....870Nm @ 2200rpm is impressive!
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-12-2014
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Yes, I have had a difficult times, in many ways.
But, my BMW ...
I have just changed 535 injectors in it, maybe that is the final mod with that charger, which works well, very well, thank you.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - EDH_Performance - 11-12-2014
(11-12-2014, 02:24 AM)tuikku .
Yes, I have had a difficult times, in many ways.
But, my BMW ...
I have just changed 535 injectors in it, maybe that is the final mod with that charger, which works well, very well, thank you.
Is this a 530d with singelturbo or staged setup?
what specs are the new turbo?
I have a 330XD that needs a bigger turbo
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-13-2014
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One
You can ask about the turbomod from Alex or Antomies, both can do it.
Your "big question" is not the turbo, but decent software.
Quite a good results is possible only with chiptuning, without any changes in tech.
My car, stock with orig solenoid injectors and slippery turbine.
![[Image: 30xhegg.jpg]](http://i59.tinypic.com/30xhegg.jpg)
If you have E90/91 => piezo injectors => more power
E46 => power line is nonsense => lot of less
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 11-13-2014
So Fenix one again rises
Nice to see you here again Tuikku
(11-11-2014, 10:43 AM)tuikku .
Heh
Yet I found this old thread ...
I do not have MB in me any more, my wife still driving a one.
Ihave now a BMW 530, nearly stock.
Majesty78 (Alex) made a hybrid turbo for that.
Other mods are just "basic", better cooler and downpipe.
Stock injectors waren´t as big as I was expected.
But still gives quite a nice power.
SW made by me
My very good friend here have a 320cdi V6 (W211)
MB has better injectors, piezo.
Otherwise same mods, than me.
Turbo made by Antonmies
375 hp / 3740 rpm
845 Nm / 2771 rpm
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - majesty78 - 11-13-2014
(11-13-2014, 12:29 AM)tuikku .
One
You can ask about the turbomod from Alex or Antomies, both can do it.
Maybe, but only maybe in 2015 I will make some new stuff....
So in meanwhile better ask Antonmies :-)
Thanks for your positive feedback Tuikku :-)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-13-2014
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Different between stock and 535d injectors.
... Have to try something else, max power revs too low - a lot of power missing.
![[Image: r7nddg.jpg]](http://i57.tinypic.com/r7nddg.jpg)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 11-13-2014
How much fuel can those injectors deliver? Rail pressure?
(11-13-2014, 12:40 PM)tuikku .
Different between stock and 535d injectors.
... Have to try something else, max power revs too low - a lot of power missing.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-14-2014
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I do not know
I do not know, but I am using 1800bar
Max fuel rate ~125mg
Boost 2,1bar, not much
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 11-15-2014
I do not know about the solenoid injectors in the BMW535D, but I guess that it is an earlier version then the CRI2-22. That is a solenoid injector that can take 2200 bar (CRi2-22) and is much faster then the old ones but it is quite hard to find out in what cars they are located, and that kind of information is not of Bosch Motorsport interest to give you. Tuikku have you looked at the CRI2-22?
Regarding Pizo injector, according to Bosch shall CRS3 system with CRI3-25 injectors with 2500bar be implemented 2014 and for racing purpose 3000bar is available, but like always information where they are to be found is for sure hard to find
(11-14-2014, 10:39 AM)tuikku .
I do not know
I do not know, but I am using 1800bar
Max fuel rate ~125mg
Boost 2,1bar, not much
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-15-2014
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No I haven´t
Do not need more fuelling.
"Problem" is max power in too low revs, fueling level is ok, no need for more.
Need more pulling revs.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - bqik - 11-15-2014
(11-15-2014, 11:44 AM)tuikku .
No I haven´t
Do not need more fuelling.
"Problem" is max power in too low revs, fueling level is ok, no need for more.
Need more pulling revs.
With this numbers how much torque and hp can a om613/om648 handle?
Why do you say problem is max power at 3500?
Thanks
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-15-2014
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At least 1000nm, but very difficult to reach that.
Max power issue comes from engine working principle.
With same true fuel injection rate 3500 => 4000rpm, you get at least 50-60 "free" hp.
In my car, good burning principle collapses just before 3500rpm, and there is no hp rising effect any more to 4000rpm.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 11-15-2014
But increased injection pressure would help combustion in higher rpm even you said earlier the more pressure the better
Tuikku at 1000nm what maximum combustion pressure are we speaking about?
OM613 was original made for 145bars and the om648 155bars, om642LS was for 180 bars and BMW new N57S engine is made for 200bars, injection pressure is maximum 2200bars on the later one.
Marhles steel Topweld pistons shall be able to take 250bars. Marhle they have some aluminium that can take 250 bars but they will not hold like the steel ones. Though Topweld piston is at this state not available for this compression height and bore we are speaking about here
(11-15-2014, 12:37 PM)tuikku .
At least 1000nm, but very difficult to reach that.
Max power issue comes from engine working principle.
With same true fuel injection rate 3500 => 4000rpm, you get at least 50-60 "free" hp.
In my car, good burning principle collapses just before 3500rpm, and there is no hp rising effect any more to 4000rpm.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 11-15-2014
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Sorry
I cannot get the purpose of your writing now.
My English is not so very good, I have still very poor vocabulary.
I am already using as much rail pressure as the pump can produce and injectors stand, I am doing just as I have write earlier.
I do not know, or care.
Can you tell it ?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 11-16-2014
if you load an engine a lot top combustion pressure is important to know how the engine is going to handle the mechanical load for reliability, perhaps that is not important to know for you, since you double the torque I was curious if you did know anything about this and taken some consideration.
By injecting more fuel at constant volume (Cv), it will increase per kg of fuel more heat and pressure since the gas Cv value is lower the when the volume is increasing (specific heat at konstant pressure Cp) and the piston is moving down, the first will give higher efficiency, but pressure and temperature will raise very quickly and can become a big problem.
If you do not care I am sorry to put up this question
(11-15-2014, 05:30 PM)tuikku .
Sorry
I cannot get the purpose of your writing now.
My English is not so very good, I have still very poor vocabulary.
I am already using as much rail pressure as the pump can produce and injectors stand, I am doing just as I have write earlier.
I do not know, or care.
Can you tell it ?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 12-20-2014
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~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - bqik - 12-21-2014
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
wow!
on february I will be in helsinki and kuusamo.
Would like to meet you and see this superb 3.0d!
regards
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 12-23-2014
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Sorry to say, but do not bother.
Car looks like other BMW´s, exactly.
And I am just old turkey neck codger, from backwoods.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - raidaru - 12-28-2014
om606 is cheaper and more simple, cdi@400 hp will probably have 1000+nm that if not limited at low rev, will pretty much kill any "conventional" tranny. So if money not a problem, cdi, otherwise om606 all the waaaay
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 01-08-2015
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Well, as you want.
The easiest and possibly the cheapiest way to get ~ 400hp, is a chiptune bmw 535d.
And torque as much as you like.
Nice, well working car to everyday driving.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Riverstick - 01-31-2015
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
Excellent work Tuikko,
The E61 is stock 220bhp....most tuners tell us anything much above 265bhp is impossible....Yet you easily achieved over 300bhp with the engine untouched...and now you are heading for over over 400bhp with only a few modifications to the engine.
I think you know a thing or two extra about software that the average remapper does not.
Keep up the good work and keep us all posted.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 01-31-2015
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Thanks
Driving now with new, lightly ported head and stiffer valve springs, also new turbo.
Not bad, not bad ...
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 02-25-2015
(01-31-2015, 01:03 PM)tuikku .
Thanks
Driving now with new, lightly ported head and stiffer valve springs, also new turbo.
Not bad, not bad ...
Turbo made by Antonmies.
Valve springs are gift from Majesty78
~416hp, 870nm
![[Image: bgo6lj.jpg]](http://i59.tinypic.com/bgo6lj.jpg)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - EDH_Performance - 02-28-2015
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .Is your engine the same as e90 engine family m57d30n2?
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 02-28-2015
Jep
218hp
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - majesty78 - 03-15-2015
So spoolup for max. torque was about 800rpm earlier on mine but Antonmies version has better top end.
As always, there is a compromise to make :-)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 03-15-2015
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Hi
It is not fair to compare these two turbos.
Because of new cylinder head and springs.
Cannot get this one spool so well than the one of yours.
But this gives more air till the end.
Both are very good.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - majesty78 - 03-15-2015
:-)
Mainly your magic is very good ;-)
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - altz1 - 03-30-2015
Hey Tuikku,
I am also fitting om628 pump to my om613. Did you have to drill any new holes to fix the pump in place? I have feeling only one hole lines up....
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 03-30-2015
(03-30-2015, 04:12 PM)altz1 Hey Tuikku,
I am also fitting om628 pump to my om613. Did you have to drill any new holes to fix the pump in place? I have feeling only one hole lines up....
Yes, two
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - mao76 - 04-01-2015
hi I have a 330d e46 204cv, injectors and turbocharger that I should put for at least 380hp?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:21 AM)mao76 hi I have a 330d e46 204cv, injectors and turbocharger that I should put for at least 380hp?
I have written it here earlier many times...
Look at my previous posts.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Riverstick - 04-01-2015
What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 04-02-2015
(04-01-2015, 03:55 PM)Riverstick What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
Very comfortable, easy to drive.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - bqik - 04-28-2015
(04-02-2015, 01:20 PM)tuikku(04-01-2015, 03:55 PM)Riverstick What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
Very comfortable, easy to drive.
Hello tuikku,
would like to know what mods have you done to the OM648 of blacksmokeracing, I ve seen that you are the guy that is making their software...
as i have seen...more or less 600hp and 1000nm?
regards and many thanks
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 04-30-2015
well the really interesting, at least for me, part of tuning a om648 would be of
finding steel pistons so maximum combustion pressure could be raise from original 155 bar to say 250bars
if atomization would "need" no get up a raise of rail pressure to 2200-2400bars and that need Cri2-20 or pre-fable CRI2-22 injector since they are really much faster then original, and by using a CP3.3 NH2 rail pressure of 2200bars is reached
that s what I am trying to accomplish
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 05-03-2015
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I did only software + give some advices.
Practically orig engine, very little mods.
Turbo, pump, injectors, cooler.
All are in their blog.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 09-06-2015
![[Image: jjnx2h.jpg]](http://i62.tinypic.com/jjnx2h.jpg)
OM648 with small borg warner. 426/840
With Holset hx40super, +550hp.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 09-07-2015
Boost level?
Dyno for 550HP?
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - tuikku - 09-07-2015
(09-07-2015, 01:12 PM)Turbo Boost level?
Dyno for 550HP?
~2,5bar
Yes, but I don´t post it here, it´s not my car, only my softw.
Maybe later.
RE: 400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi? - Turbo - 09-08-2015
so what do you charge for that kind of software modification?