5 speed manual om617
5 speed manual om617
01-20-2013, 04:24 PM
#1
i would like to share my story of putting a 5 speed manual in my 300sd
the trans is a 717.411
i did the job with a drill and a grinder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5FzQwXbnmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YX-WWINf0
This post was last modified: 01-21-2013, 02:00 AM by 5spd617.
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Image(s)300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
i am new to to posting on this board please let me know if im doing something wrong
i would like to share my story of putting a 5 speed manual in my 300sd
the trans is a 717.411
i did the job with a drill and a grinder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5FzQwXbnmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YX-WWINf0
Attached Files
Image(s)300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
01-21-2013, 10:39 AM
#3
raysorenson
01-21-2013, 10:39 AM #3Do you have any details on what you did to mate the bellhousing to the engine?
01-21-2013, 12:03 PM
#5
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-21-2013, 12:03 PM #5What did you use for a flywheel?
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
01-21-2013, 12:19 PM
#6
(01-21-2013, 12:03 PM)willbhere4u What did you use for a flywheel?
I used a 240d flywheel with the disk from the transmission and pressure plate witch bolt to the flywheel. And the pilot bearing I went to the local bearing place and bought a double roller bearing. Because the input shaft dident reach the flywheel.
(01-21-2013, 12:03 PM)willbhere4u What did you use for a flywheel?
I used a 240d flywheel with the disk from the transmission and pressure plate witch bolt to the flywheel. And the pilot bearing I went to the local bearing place and bought a double roller bearing. Because the input shaft dident reach the flywheel.
raysorenson
01-21-2013, 02:30 PM #7Then this trans came from a car with a dual mass flywheel, correct?
01-21-2013, 03:09 PM
#8
(01-21-2013, 02:30 PM)raysorenson Then this trans came from a car with a dual mass flywheel, correct?
No it was a single I bought the trans with shifter and clutch and flywheel of corse I dident use the flywheel because it was for the other engine.
01-22-2013, 04:06 PM
#9
1st step
Is to clamp the stock Mercedes adapter to the trans as you will notice nothing lines up except the alignment pins.
2nd step
Is to drill through the adapter and through the transmission
3rd step
It to take a grinder and create clearance for the new bolts heads, i went and bought alien headed bolts that thread into the engine block.
4th step
You will need to cut the material out so that the starter fits in all the way.
i will post some pictures
Hey there
1st step
Is to clamp the stock Mercedes adapter to the trans as you will notice nothing lines up except the alignment pins.
2nd step
Is to drill through the adapter and through the transmission
3rd step
It to take a grinder and create clearance for the new bolts heads, i went and bought alien headed bolts that thread into the engine block.
4th step
You will need to cut the material out so that the starter fits in all the way.
i will post some pictures
01-22-2013, 10:02 PM
#10
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-22-2013, 10:02 PM #10Adapter? Can one just use a 1/4" plate or something? I'm a little confused here, maybe after pictures come it will clear things up
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
01-22-2013, 10:49 PM
#11
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-22-2013, 10:49 PM #11Mercedes used a 1" thick piece of alum to go between the block and tranny. use that
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-23-2013, 05:00 PM
#12
This post was last modified: 01-23-2013, 05:04 PM by willbhere4u.
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Image(s)1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-23-2013, 05:00 PM #12Here is a picture of a w123 pedal set L next to a w126 set R
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Image(s)1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
01-24-2013, 12:56 AM
#13
(01-23-2013, 05:00 PM)willbhere4u Here is a picture of a w123 pedal set L next to a w126 set R
thanks for the pic
i ended up using the master cylinder and making a clutch peddle the stock assembly has the mounts for the master cylinder
This post was last modified: 01-24-2013, 01:21 AM by 5spd617.
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01-24-2013, 12:31 PM
#14
Thanks for posting all of this up... I'm glad you took a bunch of pics when you made this happen. I will likely delve into this sometime after I finish up school (last quarter!). This has a 0.77:1 fifth gear, yeah? that sure would be nice!
Anyway, not sure if you saw my reply on the 'Tube, but I def. would like to check this out in person sometime.
Josh
just to clarify a couple of things: the 2nd pic above appears to have a plate sandwiched between the adapter and trans case... looks like maybe 1/4" aluminium...is that the reason for the input shaft not quite reaching the pilot bearing?
also, did you end up getting a bolt in the top hole (just above top starter bolt) or did you leave that out? Edit: NVM, I see in the youtube vid that there is a bolt there...
This is actually quite an elegant solution overall...nice work!
This post was last modified: 01-24-2013, 12:51 PM by SurfRodder.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
01-24-2013, 12:31 PM #14Fred, (at least I assume that's you!)
Thanks for posting all of this up... I'm glad you took a bunch of pics when you made this happen. I will likely delve into this sometime after I finish up school (last quarter!). This has a 0.77:1 fifth gear, yeah? that sure would be nice!
Anyway, not sure if you saw my reply on the 'Tube, but I def. would like to check this out in person sometime.
Josh
just to clarify a couple of things: the 2nd pic above appears to have a plate sandwiched between the adapter and trans case... looks like maybe 1/4" aluminium...is that the reason for the input shaft not quite reaching the pilot bearing?
also, did you end up getting a bolt in the top hole (just above top starter bolt) or did you leave that out? Edit: NVM, I see in the youtube vid that there is a bolt there...
This is actually quite an elegant solution overall...nice work!
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
01-24-2013, 12:39 PM
#15
(01-24-2013, 12:31 PM)SurfRodder Fred, (at least I assume that's you!)
Thanks for posting all of this up... I'm glad you took a bunch of pics when you made this happen. I will likely delve into this sometime after I finish up school (last quarter!). This has a 0.77:1 fifth gear, yeah? that sure would be nice!
Anyway, not sure if you saw my reply on the 'Tube, but I def. would like to check this out in person sometime.
Josh
Yes it is a .77 fifth. And a 2.88 rearend so I would call it bonneville gears. 5 is only good for over 68 mph. And at about 80 I'm doing 2600 rpm. And last trip I did from Colorado to Northern California I was getting 30+ mpg.
(01-24-2013, 12:31 PM)SurfRodder Fred, (at least I assume that's you!)
Thanks for posting all of this up... I'm glad you took a bunch of pics when you made this happen. I will likely delve into this sometime after I finish up school (last quarter!). This has a 0.77:1 fifth gear, yeah? that sure would be nice!
Anyway, not sure if you saw my reply on the 'Tube, but I def. would like to check this out in person sometime.
Josh
Yes it is a .77 fifth. And a 2.88 rearend so I would call it bonneville gears. 5 is only good for over 68 mph. And at about 80 I'm doing 2600 rpm. And last trip I did from Colorado to Northern California I was getting 30+ mpg.
01-24-2013, 01:04 PM
#16
(01-24-2013, 12:39 PM)5spd617 Yes it is a .77 fifth. And a 2.88 rearend so I would call it bonneville gears. 5 is only good for over 68 mph. And at about 80 I'm doing 2600 rpm. And last trip I did from Colorado to Northern California I was getting 30+ mpg.
I've got the 2.88 rear as well (thanks again Richard!)... In 4th I am usually about 32-3300 or so, so 2600 would be nice.. right in the powerband to have decent accel as well if necessary! I am still consdering switching over to a 2.67 (IIRC) rear from an early 126, but will likely wait until I do this mod and increase my power a bit to keep up with that gearing... if it even seems necessary at that point...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
01-24-2013, 01:04 PM #16(01-24-2013, 12:39 PM)5spd617 Yes it is a .77 fifth. And a 2.88 rearend so I would call it bonneville gears. 5 is only good for over 68 mph. And at about 80 I'm doing 2600 rpm. And last trip I did from Colorado to Northern California I was getting 30+ mpg.
I've got the 2.88 rear as well (thanks again Richard!)... In 4th I am usually about 32-3300 or so, so 2600 would be nice.. right in the powerband to have decent accel as well if necessary! I am still consdering switching over to a 2.67 (IIRC) rear from an early 126, but will likely wait until I do this mod and increase my power a bit to keep up with that gearing... if it even seems necessary at that point...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
01-24-2013, 01:25 PM
#17
This post was last modified: 01-24-2013, 01:26 PM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-24-2013, 01:25 PM #17My euro 5spd 300td non turbo wagon has 2.88 gears and dose fine! Evan with out a turbo. It will cruise 80mph all day long
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
01-24-2013, 09:56 PM
#18
Looks like 2 "V" cutouts on the side of the case for the new drilled bolts. Did you have a piece of metal welded to the inside to keep out dirt, water etc....?
I have 240D 4-spd installed in the 85 300D. seems like there needs to be a gear between 2 and 3, and 3 and 4th.
I have a 5-spd from a 16V 2.3 190E with the Dogleg trans. I thought it would be a good candidate. yeah I know 5th is 1:1.
Charlie
Neat idea, thinking outside the box for sure.
Looks like 2 "V" cutouts on the side of the case for the new drilled bolts. Did you have a piece of metal welded to the inside to keep out dirt, water etc....?
I have 240D 4-spd installed in the 85 300D. seems like there needs to be a gear between 2 and 3, and 3 and 4th.
I have a 5-spd from a 16V 2.3 190E with the Dogleg trans. I thought it would be a good candidate. yeah I know 5th is 1:1.
Charlie
01-24-2013, 10:39 PM
#19
raysorenson
01-24-2013, 10:39 PM #19What really catches my attention is that, not only do the dowels line up, but when they do the input shaft is centered. Talk about an easy button.
03-04-2013, 08:26 PM
#21
(01-28-2013, 08:33 AM)lpumb3 AWESOME PROJECT . IM INTO sry caps, im into a manual 126 sawp . im curious for more info on how you modifiyed the 126 pedal set . i have the 123 set from the swap car . another member pointed out yours before i tried to purchase a 126 set.
to modify the peddle set i got a second brake peddle and also the i cut off the peace that it pivots on then i bought a bolt that fit inside the pivot (grade 8) and sandwiched it all together and then i welded and cut the peddle to attach to the master and then i lined it up with the break peddle. master cylinder bolts to the 126 set. and the break resvor has a nipple for the clutch master
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
(01-28-2013, 08:33 AM)lpumb3 AWESOME PROJECT . IM INTO sry caps, im into a manual 126 sawp . im curious for more info on how you modifiyed the 126 pedal set . i have the 123 set from the swap car . another member pointed out yours before i tried to purchase a 126 set.
to modify the peddle set i got a second brake peddle and also the i cut off the peace that it pivots on then i bought a bolt that fit inside the pivot (grade 8) and sandwiched it all together and then i welded and cut the peddle to attach to the master and then i lined it up with the break peddle. master cylinder bolts to the 126 set. and the break resvor has a nipple for the clutch master
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
03-13-2013, 02:14 PM
#24
(01-24-2013, 10:39 PM)raysorenson What really catches my attention is that, not only do the dowels line up, but when they do the input shaft is centered. Talk about an easy button.
x2, awesome solution!
I think we need a bunch more pics. also x2 on the plate sandwiched depth. The only downsides I see to this is debris getting into the bell housing/starter area, and the starter bolts looking a bit low on sandwiched material, but you could easily after the fact weld in aluminum around the bolt area, or even hammer some covers out of sheet steel and drill and tap for some removable plates and debris shields
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(01-24-2013, 10:39 PM)raysorenson What really catches my attention is that, not only do the dowels line up, but when they do the input shaft is centered. Talk about an easy button.
x2, awesome solution!
I think we need a bunch more pics. also x2 on the plate sandwiched depth. The only downsides I see to this is debris getting into the bell housing/starter area, and the starter bolts looking a bit low on sandwiched material, but you could easily after the fact weld in aluminum around the bolt area, or even hammer some covers out of sheet steel and drill and tap for some removable plates and debris shields
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
03-18-2013, 10:00 PM
#25
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
03-18-2013, 10:00 PM #25Ugh, since I haven't done my 4-speed swap yet I'm seriously considering doing this....
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
08-27-2013, 03:28 PM
#26
(03-18-2013, 10:00 PM)sassparilla_kid Ugh, since I haven't done my 4-speed swap yet I'm seriously considering doing this....
it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
(03-18-2013, 10:00 PM)sassparilla_kid Ugh, since I haven't done my 4-speed swap yet I'm seriously considering doing this....
it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
11-01-2013, 11:24 AM
#27
(08-27-2013, 03:28 PM)5spd617 it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
What speed do you get 30 MPG at? 80 MPH? 30 MPG @ 80 MPH in a luxury barge would be awesome and makes me wonder what kind of mileage I could achieve at lower speeds... 35 MPG? That would be awesome. I remember that Doktor Bert on PeachParts said that he could hit 35-37 MPG doing 60 MPH in his W116 'SD with automatic after he swapped in a 2.47:1 differential.
A few questions on the swap:
1) Is the 5-speed shorter than the auto or is it the other way around? What is the difference in length? Did you end up needing to modify the driveshaft?
2) What did you use for a shifter? The W201 shifter?
3) What did you do about the shifter linkages?
4) Did you ever end up covering the starter hole with anything?
This post was last modified: 11-01-2013, 11:36 AM by Jooseppi Luna.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
11-01-2013, 11:24 AM #27(08-27-2013, 03:28 PM)5spd617 it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
What speed do you get 30 MPG at? 80 MPH? 30 MPG @ 80 MPH in a luxury barge would be awesome and makes me wonder what kind of mileage I could achieve at lower speeds... 35 MPG? That would be awesome. I remember that Doktor Bert on PeachParts said that he could hit 35-37 MPG doing 60 MPH in his W116 'SD with automatic after he swapped in a 2.47:1 differential.
A few questions on the swap:
1) Is the 5-speed shorter than the auto or is it the other way around? What is the difference in length? Did you end up needing to modify the driveshaft?
2) What did you use for a shifter? The W201 shifter?
3) What did you do about the shifter linkages?
4) Did you ever end up covering the starter hole with anything?
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
11-01-2013, 12:03 PM
#28
When I had my crapcan I got 28mpg ONCE doing 55-60 the whole way (was afraid an axle would fail). That was with an auto and mediocre engine tuning.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-01-2013, 12:03 PM #28Good to see oyu on STD Luna
When I had my crapcan I got 28mpg ONCE doing 55-60 the whole way (was afraid an axle would fail). That was with an auto and mediocre engine tuning.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
11-01-2013, 12:51 PM
#29
(11-01-2013, 12:03 PM)Simpler=Better Good to see oyu on STD Luna
When I had my crapcan I got 28mpg ONCE doing 55-60 the whole way (was afraid an axle would fail). That was with an auto and mediocre engine tuning.
Yeah, that's why I'd be interested in the 5-speed as opposed to the four-speed... I was doing the math -- or rather, having CSGNetwork do the math for me -- and it looks like the .84 top gear that came in the 2.2 coupled with the 3.07 currently in the car would give me the same effect as a 2.47 on the highway with 722 while not sacrificing city driveability. Brian Carlton over at PP looks to be getting 29-30 with relaxed highway driving in his stock 300SD. I'd like more than that.
It's good to see you here! This thread is what finally got me to post. I just googled "STD" to try to get onto the forum... whoops...
<-- Hmm -- I'll have to get used to the different smileys here.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
11-01-2013, 12:51 PM #29(11-01-2013, 12:03 PM)Simpler=Better Good to see oyu on STD Luna
When I had my crapcan I got 28mpg ONCE doing 55-60 the whole way (was afraid an axle would fail). That was with an auto and mediocre engine tuning.
Yeah, that's why I'd be interested in the 5-speed as opposed to the four-speed... I was doing the math -- or rather, having CSGNetwork do the math for me -- and it looks like the .84 top gear that came in the 2.2 coupled with the 3.07 currently in the car would give me the same effect as a 2.47 on the highway with 722 while not sacrificing city driveability. Brian Carlton over at PP looks to be getting 29-30 with relaxed highway driving in his stock 300SD. I'd like more than that.
It's good to see you here! This thread is what finally got me to post. I just googled "STD" to try to get onto the forum... whoops...
<-- Hmm -- I'll have to get used to the different smileys here.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
11-01-2013, 02:13 PM
#30
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-01-2013, 02:13 PM #30I get ~26.5 driving faster than I need to, mixed driving. Highway I've gotten 29.5 going 70-75, with the 4-speed swap, so I'd reckon 32-33 maybe with a 5-speed
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-24-2013, 09:49 AM
#31
(03-12-2013, 12:11 AM)kmaser Is it possible that G wagen flywheel and clutch would work with this combo, heavier flywheel stringer clutch?
Flywheel and pressure plate from the GD will work similar to his setup. The 5speed has different splines so you need to use a clutch that fits it like he did. There should be something with the correct dimensions from Sachs. I will likely make this swap when I fix my '83 as I'm pretty sure I toasted my GD clutch when I tried to stall it out on the runaway condition that killed the 617.
(03-13-2013, 01:30 PM)kmaser One more question, does the 717.411 bolt to an OM606? if that's the case you could do the same to get a 722.6 onto a 617?
Yes, might even be a bit more straight forward/easier. The only potential issue I see is if the torque converter has different bolt pattern for the flex plate. Since the crankshaft flanges are different between the engines and the torque converters are as well. Im fairly sure the input shafts are different on the autos as well, someone else will likely chime in. Likely only to prevent the use of an incorrect, older converter on newer trans. again though, there is likely a very elegant solution from another make/model that would be a direct or easily modified fit.
Then all you have to do is fork out the cash for the fancy controller for the 722.6. I hope to one day build a w201 with a turbo OM606 and 722.6 for my wife's DD, she's not too keen about daily driving a stick shift.
This post was last modified: 11-24-2013, 10:01 AM by SurfRodder.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
11-24-2013, 09:49 AM #31(03-12-2013, 12:11 AM)kmaser Is it possible that G wagen flywheel and clutch would work with this combo, heavier flywheel stringer clutch?
Flywheel and pressure plate from the GD will work similar to his setup. The 5speed has different splines so you need to use a clutch that fits it like he did. There should be something with the correct dimensions from Sachs. I will likely make this swap when I fix my '83 as I'm pretty sure I toasted my GD clutch when I tried to stall it out on the runaway condition that killed the 617.
(03-13-2013, 01:30 PM)kmaser One more question, does the 717.411 bolt to an OM606? if that's the case you could do the same to get a 722.6 onto a 617?
Yes, might even be a bit more straight forward/easier. The only potential issue I see is if the torque converter has different bolt pattern for the flex plate. Since the crankshaft flanges are different between the engines and the torque converters are as well. Im fairly sure the input shafts are different on the autos as well, someone else will likely chime in. Likely only to prevent the use of an incorrect, older converter on newer trans. again though, there is likely a very elegant solution from another make/model that would be a direct or easily modified fit.
Then all you have to do is fork out the cash for the fancy controller for the 722.6. I hope to one day build a w201 with a turbo OM606 and 722.6 for my wife's DD, she's not too keen about daily driving a stick shift.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
01-22-2014, 05:39 PM
#32
(11-01-2013, 11:24 AM)Jooseppi Luna(08-27-2013, 03:28 PM)5spd617 it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
What speed do you get 30 MPG at? 80 MPH? 30 MPG @ 80 MPH in a luxury barge would be awesome and makes me wonder what kind of mileage I could achieve at lower speeds... 35 MPG? That would be awesome. I remember that Doktor Bert on PeachParts said that he could hit 35-37 MPG doing 60 MPH in his W116 'SD with automatic after he swapped in a 2.47:1 differential.
A few questions on the swap:
1) Is the 5-speed shorter than the auto or is it the other way around? What is the difference in length? Did you end up needing to modify the driveshaft?
2) What did you use for a shifter? The W201 shifter?
3) What did you do about the shifter linkages?
4) Did you ever end up covering the starter hole with anything?
sorry i have been busy working and such
car is running good still i tow trailers with it a lot... with a 14 foot flat bed trailer about 1200lbs unloaded, i very rarely use 5th (over-drive).
1) the 5 speed is shorter. i used part of the w201 drive shaft because it was longer. i dont recall the difference in length 3-4 inch.
2)yes the 201 shifter fits the hole in the floor but the bolts dont line up i used some self taping screws, planning on a better option but its working great.
3) get it mounted trans and shifter and lengthen the rods about 3in.
4) the old starter hole is covered with the 3/16th plate the cutout in the bell housing for new starter is open.
alright a little update here.
as far as fuel economy goes city is 17-21. i am a led foot.
freeway from Colorado to northern California average speed of 77 mph with average mpg of 33.
I have adjusted the pump witch helped a lot with low-end power
as far as the gear ratios go i am pretty happy 1st is a little tall for starting on a hill it works tho just got to stoke the fire.
drivabillity) 5th is almost useless under 65 mph.
with 2.88 rear-end
This post was last modified: 01-22-2014, 06:03 PM by 5spd617.
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
(11-01-2013, 11:24 AM)Jooseppi Luna(08-27-2013, 03:28 PM)5spd617 it is really nice to have the overdrive with the 2.88 rear end. haha. 80 mph at ~2500 rpm
really good mileage on the freeway about 30 mpg.
after getting a good flex joint and good bolts i haven't had any issues.
What speed do you get 30 MPG at? 80 MPH? 30 MPG @ 80 MPH in a luxury barge would be awesome and makes me wonder what kind of mileage I could achieve at lower speeds... 35 MPG? That would be awesome. I remember that Doktor Bert on PeachParts said that he could hit 35-37 MPG doing 60 MPH in his W116 'SD with automatic after he swapped in a 2.47:1 differential.
A few questions on the swap:
1) Is the 5-speed shorter than the auto or is it the other way around? What is the difference in length? Did you end up needing to modify the driveshaft?
2) What did you use for a shifter? The W201 shifter?
3) What did you do about the shifter linkages?
4) Did you ever end up covering the starter hole with anything?
sorry i have been busy working and such
car is running good still i tow trailers with it a lot... with a 14 foot flat bed trailer about 1200lbs unloaded, i very rarely use 5th (over-drive).
1) the 5 speed is shorter. i used part of the w201 drive shaft because it was longer. i dont recall the difference in length 3-4 inch.
2)yes the 201 shifter fits the hole in the floor but the bolts dont line up i used some self taping screws, planning on a better option but its working great.
3) get it mounted trans and shifter and lengthen the rods about 3in.
4) the old starter hole is covered with the 3/16th plate the cutout in the bell housing for new starter is open.
alright a little update here.
as far as fuel economy goes city is 17-21. i am a led foot.
freeway from Colorado to northern California average speed of 77 mph with average mpg of 33.
I have adjusted the pump witch helped a lot with low-end power
as far as the gear ratios go i am pretty happy 1st is a little tall for starting on a hill it works tho just got to stoke the fire.
drivabillity) 5th is almost useless under 65 mph.
with 2.88 rear-end
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
01-23-2014, 11:38 PM
#33
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-23-2014, 11:38 PM #33Does the 717.411 have an electric or mechanical speedo setup?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
01-25-2014, 02:32 AM
#34
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
01-25-2014, 02:32 AM #34Crossing my fingers for electric.
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
01-26-2014, 12:12 AM
#35
sassaparilla & Mike -- it's mechanical, but [URL=http://www.jegs.com/p/VDO/VDO-GPS-Speed-Sender/2876446/10002/-1][here] is a cool $180 solution for the electric speedo cars.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
01-26-2014, 12:12 AM #355spd617 -- thanks! That's extremely helpful.
sassaparilla & Mike -- it's mechanical, but [URL=http://www.jegs.com/p/VDO/VDO-GPS-Speed-Sender/2876446/10002/-1][here] is a cool $180 solution for the electric speedo cars.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
01-26-2014, 01:24 PM
#36
sassaparilla & Mike -- it's mechanical, but [URL=http://www.jegs.com/p/VDO/VDO-GPS-Speed-Sender/2876446/10002/-1][here] is a cool $180 solution for the electric speedo cars.
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'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
Or one could just get an instrument cluster from any 1982+ diesel W123. Right? Isn't it only the '81 300TD that uses an electric speedo?
sassaparilla & Mike -- it's mechanical, but [URL=http://www.jegs.com/p/VDO/VDO-GPS-Speed-Sender/2876446/10002/-1][here] is a cool $180 solution for the electric speedo cars.
[/quote]
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
01-26-2014, 01:38 PM
#37
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-26-2014, 01:38 PM #37Yeah that's the only w123 with an electric speedo, the rest are all mechanical
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
01-28-2014, 09:41 PM
#38
Wish I had enough open space long enough in my shop to do this.
So you used a 240D flywheel with a 717.411 5 speed, a double roller bearing to accommodate the shorter shaft, lengthen the shifting rods, and w201 drive shafts?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
My gosh I would love to have that setup someday. I feel the 5speed with my 3.07 rears would be the ticket. I thought about switching to a 2.88 diff, but I've always wanted a manual.
Wish I had enough open space long enough in my shop to do this.
So you used a 240D flywheel with a 717.411 5 speed, a double roller bearing to accommodate the shorter shaft, lengthen the shifting rods, and w201 drive shafts?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
01-29-2014, 05:28 AM
#39
(01-28-2014, 09:41 PM)MFSuper90 My gosh I would love to have that setup someday. I feel the 5speed with my 3.07 rears would be the ticket. I thought about switching to a 2.88 diff, but I've always wanted a manual.
What about 2.88's with a close ratio five speed? I think it would be about the same as 3.07 with 5th overdrive maybe?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-29-2014, 05:28 AM #39(01-28-2014, 09:41 PM)MFSuper90 My gosh I would love to have that setup someday. I feel the 5speed with my 3.07 rears would be the ticket. I thought about switching to a 2.88 diff, but I've always wanted a manual.
What about 2.88's with a close ratio five speed? I think it would be about the same as 3.07 with 5th overdrive maybe?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
02-03-2014, 09:26 AM
#40
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
If I ever find a decently priced 717.411 petals and stuff, this WILL get done to my w123. I can't sot thinking how awesome it'd be
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
02-03-2014, 11:55 AM
#41
(02-03-2014, 09:26 AM)MFSuper90 If I ever find a decently priced 717.411 petals and stuff, this WILL get done to my w123. I can't sot thinking how awesome it'd be
you only need the 717.411, 5-speed shifter and slave cylinder. On my swap, a regular ol' 123 clutch pedal and master cylinder worked just fine with the w201 slave.
less custom work makes everyone happy!
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(02-03-2014, 09:26 AM)MFSuper90 If I ever find a decently priced 717.411 petals and stuff, this WILL get done to my w123. I can't sot thinking how awesome it'd be
you only need the 717.411, 5-speed shifter and slave cylinder. On my swap, a regular ol' 123 clutch pedal and master cylinder worked just fine with the w201 slave.
less custom work makes everyone happy!
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
03-26-2014, 12:49 PM
#43
(02-03-2014, 12:46 PM)MFSuper90 What flywheel? 240D then that double roller bearing?
yes 240 flywheel 240 pressure plate(you can also use pressure plate off transmission) double roller bearing and the clutch disk for the trans. make sure the disk is the same diameter of 240 disk.
(01-28-2014, 09:41 PM)MFSuper90 My gosh I would love to have that setup someday. I feel the 5speed with my 3.07 rears would be the ticket. I thought about switching to a 2.88 diff, but I've always wanted a manual.
Wish I had enough open space long enough in my shop to do this.
So you used a 240D flywheel with a 717.411 5 speed, a double roller bearing to accommodate the shorter shaft, lengthen the shifting rods, and w201 drive shafts?
yes but i had to make a custom drive shaft the 201 was too long witch is ok because you can shorten it...
This post was last modified: 03-26-2014, 12:52 PM by 5spd617.
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
(02-03-2014, 12:46 PM)MFSuper90 What flywheel? 240D then that double roller bearing?
yes 240 flywheel 240 pressure plate(you can also use pressure plate off transmission) double roller bearing and the clutch disk for the trans. make sure the disk is the same diameter of 240 disk.
(01-28-2014, 09:41 PM)MFSuper90 My gosh I would love to have that setup someday. I feel the 5speed with my 3.07 rears would be the ticket. I thought about switching to a 2.88 diff, but I've always wanted a manual.
Wish I had enough open space long enough in my shop to do this.
So you used a 240D flywheel with a 717.411 5 speed, a double roller bearing to accommodate the shorter shaft, lengthen the shifting rods, and w201 drive shafts?
yes but i had to make a custom drive shaft the 201 was too long witch is ok because you can shorten it...
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
03-27-2014, 09:29 PM
#44
This post was last modified: 03-27-2014, 09:33 PM by Jooseppi Luna.
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
Jooseppi Luna
03-27-2014, 09:29 PM #44Correct me if I'm wrong here, but is it accurate that you had to use the double roller bearing because of your additional adapter plate? Couldn't you instead grind the thickness of the additional adapter plate off of the adapter plate that came with the engine to make that part simpler?
-Jooseppi
1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues
1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod
. Given to me by JB3, who got it from purplecomputer.Some blasphemous vehicles in the fleet as well -- 2004 Corolla 5-speed and 1994 Buick Century
2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
03-28-2014, 08:52 PM
#45
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
03-28-2014, 08:52 PM #45There was no additional adapter plate, he just drilled a new set of holes in the existing mounting plate
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
03-28-2014, 11:10 PM
#46
(03-27-2014, 09:29 PM)Jooseppi Luna Correct me if I'm wrong here, but is it accurate that you had to use the double roller bearing because of your additional adapter plate? Couldn't you instead grind the thickness of the additional adapter plate off of the adapter plate that came with the engine to make that part simpler?
Austincarnut
03-28-2014, 11:10 PM #46Chelmsford, huh? do you know Joe clark or Tommy Caruso?
(03-27-2014, 09:29 PM)Jooseppi Luna Correct me if I'm wrong here, but is it accurate that you had to use the double roller bearing because of your additional adapter plate? Couldn't you instead grind the thickness of the additional adapter plate off of the adapter plate that came with the engine to make that part simpler?
04-06-2014, 10:17 PM
#48
Measurement for the drive shaft shortening and shift linkage?
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
04-06-2014, 10:17 PM #48Fred do you have a part number for the double roller bearing?
Measurement for the drive shaft shortening and shift linkage?
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
01-03-2019, 09:09 PM
#49
im putting the car up for sale its a 1985 300sd great car tow-hitch everything workes has a little damage on passenger doors
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
update of the car still running like a champ jut installed a new clutch and the double roller bearing dident really work so i machined a spacer ring to fit the flywheel and hold the stock 240d pilot bearing
im putting the car up for sale its a 1985 300sd great car tow-hitch everything workes has a little damage on passenger doors
300sd Mercedes egr delete, cat delete, rebuilt om617, manual 5 speed 717.411, experimenting with w/m injection, runs on wvo sometimes with no modification, injection pump turned up, air shocks in rear to correct sag.
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