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om606 into 240d?

om606 into 240d?

 
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Jtn190D
MERCEDES DIESEL POWER!

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03-20-2010, 07:51 PM #1
Hey all i just got a 79 240d and was wondering what will it take to install a om606 turbo engine?


Thanks in advance!
Jtn190D
03-20-2010, 07:51 PM #1

Hey all i just got a 79 240d and was wondering what will it take to install a om606 turbo engine?


Thanks in advance!

Kozuka
I'm_Badass

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03-20-2010, 10:10 PM #2
You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.
This post was last modified: 03-20-2010, 10:17 PM by Kozuka.
Kozuka
03-20-2010, 10:10 PM #2

You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.

Mercy
Naturally-aspirated

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03-21-2010, 02:33 PM #3
(03-20-2010, 10:10 PM)Kozuka You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.
so there is a difference between engine munts om603 and om606 (w210)?
Mercy
03-21-2010, 02:33 PM #3

(03-20-2010, 10:10 PM)Kozuka You can used the W126 M103 or OM603 engine mounts + 3*10mm thick plates ( two exhaust side one intake ) proven method.

I suspect ( and I could be wrong ) that M110 ( 2.8L inline 280TE W123 ) are the same as the M103/M104/OM603/OM606 Bolt Pattern

Also have to use a transmission that matches M10X, OM60X the current box wont work.

Maybe custom driveshaft and at least a OM603 pump & glow plug relay.
so there is a difference between engine munts om603 and om606 (w210)?

Kozuka
I'm_Badass

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03-21-2010, 03:40 PM #4
Yeah the W123/W126 used old style shock mounts and the W210 used pneumatic one-piece mounts (W201/W124 Style). Also have different positioning of the engine/transmission for each chassis. The Proven Method is also said to have tight clearance between the subframe/oilpan. I suspect that the bolt patten on the block for the mount bracket is the same as a W123 M110 as the OM603/OM606 (maybe 602/605 but 601 is like a M102 triangle instead of a rectangular shape) which might provide proper engine/gearbox position in the engine bay.

I also believe that a W123 M110 transmission would also work.
This post was last modified: 03-21-2010, 03:56 PM by Kozuka.
Kozuka
03-21-2010, 03:40 PM #4

Yeah the W123/W126 used old style shock mounts and the W210 used pneumatic one-piece mounts (W201/W124 Style). Also have different positioning of the engine/transmission for each chassis. The Proven Method is also said to have tight clearance between the subframe/oilpan. I suspect that the bolt patten on the block for the mount bracket is the same as a W123 M110 as the OM603/OM606 (maybe 602/605 but 601 is like a M102 triangle instead of a rectangular shape) which might provide proper engine/gearbox position in the engine bay.

I also believe that a W123 M110 transmission would also work.

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

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11-07-2010, 06:12 PM #5
the m103 and om603 motor mounts from a w126 are the same?

3*10mm plates...meaning 30mm spacers for the motor mount?
Mylesofsmyles
11-07-2010, 06:12 PM #5

the m103 and om603 motor mounts from a w126 are the same?

3*10mm plates...meaning 30mm spacers for the motor mount?

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
11-07-2010, 10:49 PM #6
Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y
This post was last modified: 11-07-2010, 10:51 PM by willbhere4u.

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-07-2010, 10:49 PM #6

Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-07-2010, 11:53 PM #7
you have any details on that car?

production vehicle?
Mylesofsmyles
11-07-2010, 11:53 PM #7

you have any details on that car?

production vehicle?

muuris
OM605

318
11-08-2010, 02:00 PM #8
That's OM603 and is, of course, not a production vehicle.

muuris
11-08-2010, 02:00 PM #8

That's OM603 and is, of course, not a production vehicle.

George3soccer
Holset

373
11-08-2010, 10:13 PM #9
603 NA
George3soccer
11-08-2010, 10:13 PM #9

603 NA

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-08-2010, 10:53 PM #10
hmm... wonder what he used for mounts...blurry vid but looked pretty basic and acquired, not fab'd.
Mylesofsmyles
11-08-2010, 10:53 PM #10

hmm... wonder what he used for mounts...blurry vid but looked pretty basic and acquired, not fab'd.

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
11-08-2010, 11:04 PM #11
Yea he also started with a 6 cylinder gas car so it may be the original 5spd transmission with the LH starter

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-08-2010, 11:04 PM #11

Yea he also started with a 6 cylinder gas car so it may be the original 5spd transmission with the LH starter


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-08-2010, 11:43 PM #12
so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy
Mylesofsmyles
11-08-2010, 11:43 PM #12

so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
11-09-2010, 02:15 PM #13
I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-09-2010, 02:15 PM #13

I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-09-2010, 06:02 PM #14
(11-07-2010, 10:49 PM)willbhere4u Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

(11-09-2010, 02:15 PM)willbhere4u I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

tryin to think one step at a time....could maybe get away with the slushbox that comes with the om606, but i haven't invested any time in determining whether or not there's a bolt on option for a 6 speed manual.
Mylesofsmyles
11-09-2010, 06:02 PM #14

(11-07-2010, 10:49 PM)willbhere4u Here is a video of a w123 280ce with an om606 non turbo witch is almost the same as an om606 and it has a stick shift!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejrb1YoYt9Y

(11-09-2010, 02:15 PM)willbhere4u I'm not sure witch engine mount's he used but the engines are about the same length so transmission placement should be similar?

tryin to think one step at a time....could maybe get away with the slushbox that comes with the om606, but i haven't invested any time in determining whether or not there's a bolt on option for a 6 speed manual.

George3soccer
Holset

373
11-09-2010, 06:22 PM #15
There is a bolt on 5 sleed for the 606. Use either a 190 m102 8vlv, m103 12v or the best option a getreg m102 16vlv tranny. All bolt up.

I have currently on my 603 the m102 8vlv 5 speed.
George3soccer
11-09-2010, 06:22 PM #15

There is a bolt on 5 sleed for the 606. Use either a 190 m102 8vlv, m103 12v or the best option a getreg m102 16vlv tranny. All bolt up.

I have currently on my 603 the m102 8vlv 5 speed.

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
11-09-2010, 09:43 PM #16
Some one was thinking the 6spd from a 230 kompressor may fit? but I'll be happy with a 5spd some day!

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-09-2010, 09:43 PM #16

Some one was thinking the 6spd from a 230 kompressor may fit? but I'll be happy with a 5spd some day!


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

George3soccer
Holset

373
11-09-2010, 11:01 PM #17
Yes the 6 speed from the w203 c230 m111, will fit any om60x. Of course you have to play around with the flywheel, and clutch issue, but it can be fitted.

Also on a side note few other people were being concerned in how tough the 6speed actually is. After all it was matted onto a motor that produced, 190hp, and possibly 230NM. So any om with an upgrade turbo and extra fueling could start mangeling up this tranny.

Your best bet is to stick with the getreg from the 16v,.

Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

George3soccer
11-09-2010, 11:01 PM #17

Yes the 6 speed from the w203 c230 m111, will fit any om60x. Of course you have to play around with the flywheel, and clutch issue, but it can be fitted.

Also on a side note few other people were being concerned in how tough the 6speed actually is. After all it was matted onto a motor that produced, 190hp, and possibly 230NM. So any om with an upgrade turbo and extra fueling could start mangeling up this tranny.

Your best bet is to stick with the getreg from the 16v,.

Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-09-2010, 11:56 PM #18
(11-09-2010, 11:01 PM)George3soccer Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

good post, and interesting project thanks. as for strength, i'm really just seeing what's within the realm of possibilities.

really most interested with how to properly, and cleanly (no fab) fit a om60x into a w123
Mylesofsmyles
11-09-2010, 11:56 PM #18

(11-09-2010, 11:01 PM)George3soccer Here is a post from 190rev.net a fellow forum member went ahead with the swap, with good info aswell.

http://190rev.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35638

good post, and interesting project thanks. as for strength, i'm really just seeing what's within the realm of possibilities.

really most interested with how to properly, and cleanly (no fab) fit a om60x into a w123

muuris
OM605

318
11-10-2010, 03:43 PM #19
I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.
This post was last modified: 11-10-2010, 03:49 PM by muuris.
muuris
11-10-2010, 03:43 PM #19

I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-10-2010, 04:42 PM #20
(11-10-2010, 03:43 PM)muuris I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Mylesofsmyles
11-10-2010, 04:42 PM #20

(11-10-2010, 03:43 PM)muuris I have 220-270cdi 6-speed (716.640) on my OM606, no problems so far. Rated for 370Nm and engine now has ~600Nm. Gearbox itself bolts straight on. Custom flywheel of course. Sachs Race Engineering clutch pressure plate (M5, 240mm) with cdi disc.

what'd you have to do to the flywheel?

muuris
OM605

318
11-11-2010, 01:43 PM #21
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.
This post was last modified: 11-11-2010, 01:47 PM by muuris.
muuris
11-11-2010, 01:43 PM #21

(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

Mylesofsmyles
Volvo Tweaker

76
11-12-2010, 02:03 AM #22
(11-11-2010, 01:43 PM)muuris
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

you got it...was asking what you did that was custom.

so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Mylesofsmyles
11-12-2010, 02:03 AM #22

(11-11-2010, 01:43 PM)muuris
(11-10-2010, 04:42 PM)Mylesofsmyles what'd you have to do to the flywheel?
Sorry my English, but I can't quite follow..

It is a custom fw because I wanted a single piece one (not 2-mass) and a decent clutch (M5 SRE). This setup will hold +700Nm and is as daily drivable as any stock car.

As 6-cyl cdi Mercs are practically all automatic, there is no decent oem flywheel-clutch setup available. No OM60x clutches are of help either. Sprinter clutches have been used, but I wanted mine to get the best bang for the buck, considering this is a daily driver.

you got it...was asking what you did that was custom.

so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

muuris
OM605

318
11-12-2010, 03:58 PM #23
(11-12-2010, 02:03 AM)Mylesofsmyles so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Yes. Any stock CDI passenger car clutch setup would fit physically.
muuris
11-12-2010, 03:58 PM #23

(11-12-2010, 02:03 AM)Mylesofsmyles so in other words, it isn't that a stock Benz flywheel/clutch setup wouldn't fit, it's just underrated?

Yes. Any stock CDI passenger car clutch setup would fit physically.

Alastair E
Moderator?--Nah...

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11-13-2010, 05:45 AM #24
(11-08-2010, 11:43 PM)Mylesofsmyles so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Nah, I dont think the M110 mounts will fit the 606...

The M110 mounts are much the same as the OM.617 mounts and I dont think these fit the 606 either...

You need mounts from a W126 300SE and use spacers....


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Alastair E
11-13-2010, 05:45 AM #24

(11-08-2010, 11:43 PM)Mylesofsmyles so i could use the mounts of a 280 gas w123? got to keep an eye out at the jy

Nah, I dont think the M110 mounts will fit the 606...

The M110 mounts are much the same as the OM.617 mounts and I dont think these fit the 606 either...

You need mounts from a W126 300SE and use spacers....


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