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Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 10-27-2015

Hi guys.

So I was in a little accident 6-weeks ago and have been falling back on everything really. Crashed a friends bike in the side of a car and got five fractures. Broke my right ankle pretty bad and got three fractures in my right hand.

To celebrate me coming back to full speed I hooked a manifold build for an awesome guy in England.

We're gonna build a compound setup for him and the pictures and information I will post in this thread Tongue

If you like the idea and later on the pictures and text, PLEASE drop a comment so the thread lives to see another day.

This will maybe be THE fastest om605 in the UK. Only the owner will know.

(we have maybe three weeks till we can start the build so be patient please)

For more awesome stuff check out my Facebook-link below Big Grin

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 10-27-2015

Yex mesh.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Petar - 10-27-2015

Can't wait Big Grin

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - hooblah - 10-27-2015

Yes please!

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Max - 10-27-2015

Compound OM 605 ??? YES !!!!!!! Big Grin

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 10-28-2015

Thanks guys Smile

I will start taking photos as soon as I have the time. One of the turbos have arrived so info about this is close by.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - seanyt - 10-28-2015

Subscribed
Hope your all good after the spill.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-02-2015

Today I have a picture for you Smile

It's a 3LD and a HX52 but the 3LD might be swapped for a HX30 but we'll see.

[Image: om605-compound.jpg]

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-02-2015

Fras you gona install some serious waste gating around the HX30? The hot side on those is only 6cm isn't it.
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?

Beers.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Turbo - 11-02-2015

looking interesting
So how is the plan exactly how you want them to work?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-03-2015

(11-02-2015, 10:55 AM)Hario Fras you gona install some serious waste gating around the HX30? The hot side on those is only 6cm isn't it.
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?

Beers.

We'll see a little how the finished thing will look like. The HX52 is a given contester here but the small one is not yet decided. Sure it will be bleeded of alright. The hy35 might be a good choice even though I believe it's just a tad to big. The only hy35 the customer could find used and around was in poor condition though.

(11-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Turbo looking interesting
So how is the plan exactly how you want them to work?

Like a bat out of hell Big Grin

haha no but seriously, just some good low down grunt a hellish top end more or less. We'll see Cool

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Turbo - 11-03-2015

of course "skall den gå som ett skollat troll" but sequential, compound, inter cooler and after cooler? engine RPM range of turbos

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - EDH_Performance - 11-03-2015

Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-04-2015

Love the input guys. We'll see what happens with this setup Cool

I'll try to keep you posted Tongue

Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.

[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_1.jpg]

[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_1.jpg]

[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_2.jpg]

[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_3.jpg]

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - rolfts - 11-04-2015

I have a he341 with shot turbine wheel and oil ring.
Efr6758 something for a highpresure I'm selling it cheap for awesome diesel builds.

Can't wait for more pics on this build!!!

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-04-2015

(11-04-2015, 04:47 AM)F.R.A.S Love the input guys. We'll see what happens with this setup

I'll try to keep you posted

Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.

Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-04-2015

(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-04-2015

Haha might be so but it's a piss working with rusted old crap Tongue

(11-04-2015, 10:09 AM)Hario Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Keino - 11-04-2015

Turbo looks alot nicer clean Big Grin

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - DANOM606 - 11-04-2015

Is the owner a member on here? I want to build a high power 605 in England so want some advice!!!

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-05-2015

I actually don't know. He messaged me through the webshop. But hey shoot me a message and we'll see what I can do for you.

(11-04-2015, 03:23 PM)DANOM606 Is the owner a member on here? I want to build a high power 605 in England so want some advice!!!

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-20-2015

http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/111828945517

Nailed it

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 11-23-2015

What are the specs on that compound bw turbo?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - raysorenson - 11-24-2015

IDK about that particular RS2 turbo but the one fitted to the 4.5l international engine found in the Ford LCF is K16/K27 and makes 200hp on that engine. It's probably the largest of the RS2 variants and would not make a fire-breathing STD.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-24-2015

(11-23-2015, 04:18 PM)atypicalguy What are the specs on that compound bw turbo?

BW S250/S360

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - hooblah - 11-24-2015

No Harry that's the wrong one. It's a k03 and a b2. Way too small for a 606, more suited to 4cyl.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 11-24-2015

Where do you guys get get info on these bw turbos?

I am trying to find a map for the k14 that came stock on an om606, but no luck so far.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - blacksmoke - 11-24-2015

the little turbo feeding the big one? what pump?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 11-25-2015

Will be a Dieselmeken 8mm for this project. More info later... Started to mock up the turbos yesterday. Damn there is a lack of space with that big ass hx52 Sad

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 11-30-2015

(11-25-2015, 09:20 AM)F.R.A.S Will be a Dieselmeken 8mm for this project. More info later... Started to mock up the turbos yesterday. Damn there is a lack of space with that big ass hx52

It's in a W202?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 12-02-2015

Yea it's in a w202 Undecided

Right now we have millimeters to spare and it's just so super tight. But we'll manage, will post a couple of pictures in a day or two...

(11-30-2015, 08:34 AM)Hario It's in a W202?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 01-04-2016

The r2s units are often compound sequential with the tiny hp turbo. User Turbo here seems to be familiar with them.

It seems the controls are not at all straightforward with a compressor bypass for the hp turbo also

I posted a document with the various r2s setups and their applications. Industrial motors v light passenger vs commercial truck all have different optimal twin turbo relationships.

Best advice seems to be use a HP turbo that works well as a single, with a slightly larger exhaust housing. The big turbo can have a wastegate. The small turbo exists in a high pressure room created by the big one.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 01-19-2016

So guys, here is a sneak peak for you. Not done in a million years but you get the picture anyhow,

[Image: 20160119_093226.jpg]

On this and the next picture you can see the water cut support bracket we did for the hx52 Tongue

When it's all welded up and the 4" stainless downpipe is in it's place it will be a pretty sweet setup.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 01-19-2016

GOd dam LHD...

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 01-19-2016

What do you expect the price tag to be on this setup when done?

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - sorin_cel - 01-19-2016

is this going to be a 600hp OM605, Fred ???

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 01-20-2016

Haha yea it's pretty sick

(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...

It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.

(01-19-2016, 11:21 AM)atypicalguy What do you expect the price tag to be on this setup when done?

We'll see mate. It will be a beast however.

(01-19-2016, 01:17 PM)sorin_cel is this going to be a 600hp OM605, Fred ???

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 01-20-2016

(01-20-2016, 04:48 AM)F.R.A.S
(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...

It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.

I just re-read and saw this is for a RHD UK 202!
Amazing, you will have to get level 9 creative with the HP inlet

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 01-21-2016

ario

(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing

Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).

Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Hario' - 01-22-2016

(01-21-2016, 03:15 PM)atypicalguy ario

(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing

Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).

Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.

True! So my friend has a wastegate I think he got from KKD and it has 3 or 4 ports so it can have more than one pressure reference, such as EGP and interstage boost pressure together to open (not against the same diaphragm of course).

People like me are too tight to spend £1k+ per turbo on a hobby build so I just try and science the shit out of it instead.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 01-22-2016

Ok, but it seems hard to analyze the dynamic behavior of a 60mm wastegate opening up.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 01-22-2016

The Stamsaas car got sold, jeemu build 605 didn't work. Do we actually have have a single dyno plot from a compound turbo 606? Maybe the second one EDH mentioned.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - Turbo - 01-23-2016

Working on one, going to get back when it is dyno time

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - maxypriest - 01-25-2016

(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...

I'll second that!!!!

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 02-08-2016

Does a w124 have more room for turbos than this car? Thanks

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 02-09-2016

w124 has a lot more room.

(02-08-2016, 02:16 PM)atypicalguy Does a w124 have more room for turbos than this car? Thanks

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - atypicalguy - 02-09-2016

Need a similar setup.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 02-12-2016

Sure you do. Everyone needs one, most guys just don't know it yet Smile

Send me a message here mate and I'll hook you up Smile

(02-09-2016, 11:07 AM)atypicalguy Need a similar setup.

RE: Compound om605 - mini project - F.R.A.S - 02-22-2016

Here's a little update.

[Image: om605-compound.jpg]