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RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-18-2012
(11-16-2012, 04:42 PM)jeemu Pump bench you can result you want.
Only that matters is how much and how fast, Dieselmerken just dont want to understand my guestion, asked many timescase closed. myy opinioin is at ewerybody can do what they want.
What is it that I dont understand Jeemu? I have showed how long time it takes to inject fuel with 6,0 & 7,5mm element, 2 different setups of the 7,5
140cc element short duration
180cc long duration.
I was just wondering if you knew the duration on the 8mm that you have, just for compare?
That 8 mm is faster is no rocketscience to understand, I am intrested in how much faster it is.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - erling66 - 11-18-2012
(11-17-2012, 05:12 PM)jeemu 605 with 550hp, Mynä 8mm, 10,5inch wheels with 255 tires
My woman go daily store shoping
Impressive woman especially with those tires this time of the year
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-18-2012
(11-18-2012, 12:15 PM)erling66(11-17-2012, 05:12 PM)jeemu 605 with 550hp, Mynä 8mm, 10,5inch wheels with 255 tires
My woman go daily store shoping
Impressive woman especially with those tires this time of the year
Thats what I thought too
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-22-2012
now after the filter there is 3bar for diesel and it comes 215 litres per hour only with battery. It is good enouh for petrol engine at least 600hp. But I still have same result and max 2,5 bar boost. It seams that still need some more diesel. egt is max only 550.
Maybe 140cc 7,5mm pump is not good.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 01:18 PM)m2rkz now after the filter there is 3bar for diesel and it comes 215 litres per hour only with battery. It is good enouh for petrol engine at least 600hp. But I still have same result and max 2,5 bar boost. It seams that still need some more diesel. egt is max only 550.
Maybe 140cc 7,5mm pump is not good.
what kind of exhaust do you have?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 01:18 PM)m2rkz now after the filter there is 3bar for diesel and it comes 215 litres per hour only with battery. It is good enouh for petrol engine at least 600hp. But I still have same result and max 2,5 bar boost. It seams that still need some more diesel. egt is max only 550.hi,
Maybe 140cc 7,5mm pump is not good.
how many degrees spill timing have you got?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 01:26 PM)EDH_Performance(11-22-2012, 01:18 PM)m2rkz now after the filter there is 3bar for diesel and it comes 215 litres per hour only with battery. It is good enouh for petrol engine at least 600hp. But I still have same result and max 2,5 bar boost. It seams that still need some more diesel. egt is max only 550.
Maybe 140cc 7,5mm pump is not good.
what kind of exhaust do you have?
3"
(11-22-2012, 03:14 PM)mantahead(11-22-2012, 01:18 PM)m2rkz now after the filter there is 3bar for diesel and it comes 215 litres per hour only with battery. It is good enouh for petrol engine at least 600hp. But I still have same result and max 2,5 bar boost. It seams that still need some more diesel. egt is max only 550.hi,
Maybe 140cc 7,5mm pump is not good.
how many degrees spill timing have you got?
14
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-22-2012
This sounds very strange to me! Offcourse you have mounted the fuel lines in the correct places on the pump? Not mixed the in and return?
What kind of pump did you install? does the fuelflow go trough the stock feedpump or directly to the injection pump?
You should burn 3rd gear easily with this pump
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 03:36 PM)EDH_Performance This sounds very strange to me! Offcourse you have mounted the fuel lines in the correct places on the pump? Not mixed the in and return?
What kind of pump did you install? does the fuelflow go trough the stock feedpump or directly to the injection pump?
You should burn 3rd gear easily with this pump
yes I can burn 3rd gear but that's not the point. And ofcourse fuelflow go directly to the injection pump. We installed Bosch 044 and pressure regulator to 3 bar. And like I said we tested the fuelflow after the filter and directly before the diesel pump and it was very good. To 3500 or 4000 everything is ok but later the boost pressure will be the same or drop down little bit. Only problem can be the 140cc pump. Something is very bad there.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Mark_M - 11-22-2012
Are you getting smoke but no more boost or is it clean?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-22-2012
(11-22-2012, 07:34 PM)Mark_M Are you getting smoke but no more boost or is it clean?
at the beginning smoke and in the end clean....
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-23-2012
(11-22-2012, 07:39 PM)m2rkzAs I told you in mail, I do the pump again to check it up, or upgrade it to you to thge 180cc edition(11-22-2012, 07:34 PM)Mark_M Are you getting smoke but no more boost or is it clean?
at the beginning smoke and in the end clean....
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-23-2012
(11-23-2012, 03:31 PM)dieselmeken(11-22-2012, 07:39 PM)m2rkzAs I told you in mail, I do the pump again to check it up, or upgrade it to you to thge 180cc edition(11-22-2012, 07:34 PM)Mark_M Are you getting smoke but no more boost or is it clean?
at the beginning smoke and in the end clean....
yes I know. I just wanted to try it little bit more. The guys who are doing my mb are usually building petrol cars. That is why I ask so many questions here. Not for bad.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 11-23-2012
Silliest of questions, checked all the charged air joints for leaks?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-24-2012
(11-23-2012, 08:37 PM)winmutt Silliest of questions, checked all the charged air joints for leaks?
no leaks at all. checked many times.
But is this 215 litres diesel after filter and before pump enough?
It is enough for petrol engine. But for diesel?
EDH_Performance - please do a test for me. Calculate how much diesel per hour you will get after the filter and before injection pump with battery. And before filter. For example: put your feed pump to work for 20 seconds and lead diesel to resrvior and then calculate the amont for one hour. I got 215 litres per hour before injecton pump and 240 litres per hour before filter.
I have 8mm hoses and just new big banjos for filter. 8mm is good enough for 600hp with petrol engine. Tested.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-24-2012
(11-24-2012, 12:14 AM)m2rkz(11-23-2012, 08:37 PM)winmutt Silliest of questions, checked all the charged air joints for leaks?
no leaks at all. checked many times.
But is this 215 litres diesel after filter and before pump enough?
It is enough for petrol engine. But for diesel?
EDH_Performance - please do a test for me. Calculate how much diesel per hour you will get after the filter and before injection pump with battery. And before filter. For example: put your feed pump to work for 20 seconds and lead diesel to resrvior and then calculate the amont for one hour. I got 215 litres per hour before injecton pump and 240 litres per hour before filter.
I have 8mm hoses and just new big banjos for filter. 8mm is good enough for 600hp with petrol engine. Tested.
I will do a test today for you
(11-24-2012, 12:14 AM)m2rkz(11-23-2012, 08:37 PM)winmutt Silliest of questions, checked all the charged air joints for leaks?
no leaks at all. checked many times.
But is this 215 litres diesel after filter and before pump enough?
It is enough for petrol engine. But for diesel?
EDH_Performance - please do a test for me. Calculate how much diesel per hour you will get after the filter and before injection pump with battery. And before filter. For example: put your feed pump to work for 20 seconds and lead diesel to resrvior and then calculate the amont for one hour. I got 215 litres per hour before injecton pump and 240 litres per hour before filter.
I have 8mm hoses and just new big banjos for filter. 8mm is good enough for 600hp with petrol engine. Tested.
I will do a test today for you
(11-24-2012, 12:14 AM)m2rkz(11-23-2012, 08:37 PM)winmutt Silliest of questions, checked all the charged air joints for leaks?
no leaks at all. checked many times.
But is this 215 litres diesel after filter and before pump enough?
It is enough for petrol engine. But for diesel?
EDH_Performance - please do a test for me. Calculate how much diesel per hour you will get after the filter and before injection pump with battery. And before filter. For example: put your feed pump to work for 20 seconds and lead diesel to resrvior and then calculate the amont for one hour. I got 215 litres per hour before injecton pump and 240 litres per hour before filter.
I have 8mm hoses and just new big banjos for filter. 8mm is good enough for 600hp with petrol engine. Tested.
I will do a test today for you
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 11-24-2012
I think at that -044 not flow enough. Why use that anyway?
No need 3bar trancfer pressure, 1bar is enough. Tested.
Try OEM lift pump.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-24-2012
(11-24-2012, 01:09 PM)jeemu I think at that -044 not flow enough. Why use that anyway?In testbench 1 bar is not enough with My elements. Pump starts to reduce fuel at 2600 rpm and up. When i put 3 bar in it supply fuel. Tested. But probably My elements is not so good as mynäs and herlevi
No need 3bar trancfer pressure, 1bar is enough. Tested.
Try OEM lift pump.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - erling66 - 11-24-2012
(11-22-2012, 07:10 PM)m2rkzDo you have any videos from when you are driving?(11-22-2012, 03:36 PM)EDH_Performance This sounds very strange to me! Offcourse you have mounted the fuel lines in the correct places on the pump? Not mixed the in and return?
What kind of pump did you install? does the fuelflow go trough the stock feedpump or directly to the injection pump?
You should burn 3rd gear easily with this pump
yes I can burn 3rd gear but that's not the point. And ofcourse fuelflow go directly to the injection pump. We installed Bosch 044 and pressure regulator to 3 bar. And like I said we tested the fuelflow after the filter and directly before the diesel pump and it was very good. To 3500 or 4000 everything is ok but later the boost pressure will be the same or drop down little bit. Only problem can be the 140cc pump. Something is very bad there.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 11-24-2012
(11-24-2012, 01:19 PM)dieselmekenMaybe there is some difference in pumps.(11-24-2012, 01:09 PM)jeemu I think at that -044 not flow enough. Why use that anyway?In testbench 1 bar is not enough with My elements. Pump starts to reduce fuel at 2600 rpm and up. When i put 3 bar in it supply fuel. Tested. But probably My elements is not so good as mynäs and herlevi
No need 3bar trancfer pressure, 1bar is enough. Tested.
Try OEM lift pump.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-24-2012
(11-24-2012, 01:09 PM)jeemu I think at that -044 not flow enough. Why use that anyway?
No need 3bar trancfer pressure, 1bar is enough. Tested.
Try OEM lift pump.
in petrol engines 044 is good for at least 600hp. tested. Diesel need more flow then?
(11-24-2012, 01:24 PM)erling66(11-22-2012, 07:10 PM)m2rkzDo you have any videos from when you are driving?(11-22-2012, 03:36 PM)EDH_Performance This sounds very strange to me! Offcourse you have mounted the fuel lines in the correct places on the pump? Not mixed the in and return?
What kind of pump did you install? does the fuelflow go trough the stock feedpump or directly to the injection pump?
You should burn 3rd gear easily with this pump
yes I can burn 3rd gear but that's not the point. And ofcourse fuelflow go directly to the injection pump. We installed Bosch 044 and pressure regulator to 3 bar. And like I said we tested the fuelflow after the filter and directly before the diesel pump and it was very good. To 3500 or 4000 everything is ok but later the boost pressure will be the same or drop down little bit. Only problem can be the 140cc pump. Something is very bad there.
sorry but no.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-24-2012
(11-24-2012, 01:09 PM)jeemu I think at that -044 not flow enough. Why use that anyway?
No need 3bar trancfer pressure, 1bar is enough. Tested.
Try OEM lift pump.
And whats your flowing afrer the filter and before injection pump on your om605 project? How many litres per hour? Please test it. I wanna know.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - m2rkz - 11-25-2012
I will do a test today for you
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And what was the result?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - 300SD81 - 11-25-2012
Has anyone ever tried to add a fuel accumulator after the lift pump? Its a piston pump so the pressure pulses and is less for some cylinders than others..
![[Image: Fuel_accumulator.jpg]](http://www.ffp.fi/contentimages/Fuel_accumulator.jpg)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-25-2012
Small test of the new 210cc Dieselmeken prototype!!
Works really good, but 4th gear didn`t love me in this video...
The motor runs very good, and work perfect on the road, daily driving
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-26-2012
(11-25-2012, 03:54 PM)EDH_Performance Small test of the new 210cc Dieselmeken prototype!!
Works really good, but 4th gear didn`t love me in this video...
The motor runs very good, and work perfect on the road, daily driving
This is nice to hear, It sounds great, hopfully its moore powerful than the first edition. The fact that you self build the pump up & calibrated it in bench gives you at least 25 hp extra
Now some daylight video before the snow cover the roads i Scandinavia.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-26-2012
Have been testing my merc today, since its dry at the motorway! Full pull on 4th gear, and at 4500rpm it starts to spinn tyres easily
I see now that i need new camshafts and bigger turbo and maybe some new slicks tyresI have evil plans, so stay tuned
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-26-2012
(11-26-2012, 12:16 PM)EDH_Performance Have been testing my merc today, since its dry at the motorway! Full pull on 4th gear, and at 4500rpm it starts to spinn tyres easily
I have evil plans, so stay tuned
Bad pump, something is wrong, You should spin on 5:ft gear while your girfriend drive to the shopping mall, my misstake..sorry På Svenska kallar vi detta Ironi.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-26-2012
(11-26-2012, 12:41 PM)dieselmeken(11-26-2012, 12:16 PM)EDH_Performance Have been testing my merc today, since its dry at the motorway! Full pull on 4th gear, and at 4500rpm it starts to spinn tyres easily
I have evil plans, so stay tuned
Hoho, with bigger turbo, 5th gear will also burn tyres
Just you wait my friendThe whole engine setup is to be modified, exhaust, intake and engine parts
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Ksteen2 - 11-27-2012
(11-26-2012, 12:56 PM)EDH_PerformanceIf you'r coming to Hamar soon, you can buy one of mine turbos, i have an BW KKK 31 and a BW KKK 30 and a Holsett HX60(11-26-2012, 12:41 PM)dieselmeken(11-26-2012, 12:16 PM)EDH_Performance Have been testing my merc today, since its dry at the motorway! Full pull on 4th gear, and at 4500rpm it starts to spinn tyres easily
I have evil plans, so stay tuned
Hoho, with bigger turbo, 5th gear will also burn tyres
The whole engine setup is to be modified, exhaust, intake and engine parts
i think the HX60 will fit you perfekt
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-27-2012
(11-27-2012, 03:11 AM)Ksteen2(11-26-2012, 12:56 PM)EDH_PerformanceIf you'r coming to Hamar soon, you can buy one of mine turbos, i have an BW KKK 31 and a BW KKK 30 and a Holsett HX60(11-26-2012, 12:41 PM)dieselmeken
Hoho, with bigger turbo, 5th gear will also burn tyres
The whole engine setup is to be modified, exhaust, intake and engine parts
i think the HX60 will fit you perfekt
Hahah, I just bought his HX60! Maybe now i can burn all 210cc
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Siekkinen - 11-27-2012
(11-27-2012, 03:45 PM)EDH_Performance Hahah, I just bought his HX60! Maybe now i can burn all 210cc
Or then you get problems with a cylinderhead
the air just can't get through fast enough. hx52 pro or hx55 are enough at least for 800 horsepower with that engine. Proofed
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-27-2012
(11-27-2012, 05:39 PM)Siekkinen(11-27-2012, 03:45 PM)EDH_Performance Hahah, I just bought his HX60! Maybe now i can burn all 210cc
Or then you get problems with a cylinderhead
True mate, and you know the person who has reached the"limit"
But hey, go big or go home
I will mate the hx60 with a hx35 or 40 for early spool up!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - hooblah - 11-27-2012
You crazy mofo! I can't wait to see this when it's done!
I've been watching this build for a little while now and I'd be happy to be at even half your power! You've got some skills and the money you've spent on this must be a serious amount. What do you do for a living btw?
I currently have a 190d 2.5 na and I'm planning on putting in an om606 in the near future.
Were there any major issues you had with this conversion? Do you think the standard manifold and turbo is able to fit in a right hand drive car despite the steering box being in the way?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-29-2012
210cc pump was to much for this china turbo...
Listen to the strange sound everytime the turbo hits boost!
Minute after the compressor wheel came apart
![[Image: 20121129_152614.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/volvoturbopower/20121129_152614.jpg)
![[Image: 20121129_153043.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/volvoturbopower/20121129_153043.jpg)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - 300SD81 - 11-29-2012
I hope none of that ended up in your engine!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-29-2012
(11-29-2012, 11:21 AM)300SD81 I hope none of that ended up in your engine!
No, it didn`t
found all the pieces(11-27-2012, 06:07 PM)hooblah You crazy mofo! I can't wait to see this when it's done!
I've been watching this build for a little while now and I'd be happy to be at even half your power! You've got some skills and the money you've spent on this must be a serious amount. What do you do for a living btw?
I currently have a 190d 2.5 na and I'm planning on putting in an om606 in the near future.
Were there any major issues you had with this conversion? Do you think the standard manifold and turbo is able to fit in a right hand drive car despite the steering box being in the way?
you got pm
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - majesty78 - 11-29-2012
Looks like Turbobanditen Turbocharger ?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-29-2012
(11-29-2012, 01:27 PM)majesty78 Looks like Turbobanditen Turbocharger ?
Nope, it is from www.ksr.as
Costs like 450 dollars
Did 2.5 bar+ whole his life, poor turbo charger
I machined antisurge in the compressor housing to make it perform better, and it did
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Siekkinen - 11-29-2012
(11-29-2012, 11:14 AM)EDH_Performance 210cc pump was to much for this china turbo...
Listen to the strange sound everytime the turbo hits boost!
How dear you use chinese turbos on these engines?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-29-2012
(11-29-2012, 03:52 PM)Siekkinen(11-29-2012, 11:14 AM)EDH_Performance 210cc pump was to much for this china turbo...
Listen to the strange sound everytime the turbo hits boost!
How dear you use chinese turbos on these engines?
I maxed the 140cc pump just fine, at 2.5 bars
But now there is some serious upgrade on the turbo front
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - hansebanger77 - 11-29-2012
Working Tacho would be nice ;-)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 11-29-2012
(11-29-2012, 04:23 PM)hansebanger77 Working Tacho would be nice ;-)Tacho works fine, the speedometer doesn`t
I never drive fast you know, always 20km`h
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Ksteen2 - 11-30-2012
This showes that Dieselmekken's diesel pumps works great
to much fuel :p xD
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 12-01-2012
(11-30-2012, 03:00 AM)Ksteen2 This showes that Dieselmekken's diesel pumps works greatMy 7,5mm pumps kills turbos, not good
to much fuel :p xD
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - hansebanger77 - 12-01-2012
(11-29-2012, 04:32 PM)EDH_Performance(11-29-2012, 04:23 PM)hansebanger77 Working Tacho would be nice ;-)Tacho works fine, the speedometer doesn`t
Working speedometer would be nice :-)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 12-02-2012
(12-01-2012, 03:00 PM)hansebanger77(11-29-2012, 04:32 PM)EDH_Performance(11-29-2012, 04:23 PM)hansebanger77 Working Tacho would be nice ;-)Tacho works fine, the speedometer doesn`t
Working speedometer would be nice :-)
No, because then you can find yourself speeding
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - maKe- - 12-02-2012
That highway pull.
I rrreally need om606 in my w210 badly.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - majesty78 - 12-11-2012
Although it is no 7.5mm pump, I like to share my great experience with Göran from Dieselmeken:
He was so kind to make a short clip of rebuilding my Common Rail injectors:
Rebuild from 320CDI to AMG C30 spec.
Göran definitely knows his stuff :-)))
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Bangaway - 12-11-2012
Dieselmeken you're becoming famous on youtube! If you could put on your "to do list," how to remove and install a pump for amateurs like me who pick up a set of wrenches once every six months, that would be great.