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OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
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OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
look what I got in the mail

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[Image: 2260_1.JPG]

now let's see what DPF removal, EGR blocking, GTB2260VKLR & a tuner with experience will get out off this diesel...

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12-27-2011 08:15 AM
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
This is possibly one of the best small frame vnt turbos currently available! And the only ballbearing vnt at the moment....

Have fun with it, and please take some pictures without the caps ;-)

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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion
02-06-2012 05:44 AM
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(02-06-2012 05:44 AM)Rub87 Wrote:  So.. maybe we should open a new topic:

OM642 + Alternative Fuels: HCCI Combustion

Don't you dare Smile

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Rainbow RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
It's magic Tongue


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(02-06-2012 02:34 PM)Rub87 Wrote:  It's magic Tongue

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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
Which car did that charger come from? Inducer diameter?
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Inducer is same like other gtb2260vk, 44.5mm IIRC, comes from OM642LS, around 190kW stock
02-07-2012 02:41 AM
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex

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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
(02-07-2012 02:48 AM)majesty78 Wrote:  Correct.

Turbo is from latest 350CDI Bluetec engine with 265hp.

Regards, Alex

If you don't mind, where did you source this from i'm after one for a project on 1.9 GM cdti engine

thanks
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

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02-18-2012 01:06 PM
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
Hi, so I finaly found a place where we can dyno without having any work done to the car.

It was not us but an employee from the place who was doing the pulls.

Out of 8 - 9 pulls we only had 4 good ones.

ESP was fully switched off.

First & 2nd pull, my tune wich I drive now for 30.000 km

Only in the first pull he could give full throttle without downshifting.
The computerscreen was calibrated till 210KW and it flat spotted from 3200 to 4200 rpm, so this would have been the best pull but I don't have a print out.

2nd pull was 205KW/3473RPM & 670NM/2541RPM (second page highest line)

Just a little haze out of the exhaust

Now we loaded standard map, no DPF, no cat (First page)
3th pull was 163KW/3811RPM & 429NM/2919RPM

Now I thought let's make a dyno queen so we added 10% more fuel

4th pull was 200KW/3568RPM & 665NM/2486RPM

Lots of smoke

This is where I was shure that the guy behind the wheel wasn't pushing full throttle.

Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?


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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
How do the boost level look like?
10-31-2012 01:34 PM
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(10-31-2012 01:34 PM)Turbo Wrote:  How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...

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10-31-2012 06:52 PM
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

(10-31-2012 06:52 PM)diesel2fast4u Wrote:  
(10-31-2012 01:34 PM)Turbo Wrote:  How do the boost level look like?

1.6 bar only, we need a 4 bar map sensor and find the calibration in the ECU to achieve higher boost levels.

You can see in the original map, the dip in the dyno sheet is because the turbo spools faster then stock, it hits the boost limit & cuts down, then picks up again...
10-31-2012 08:26 PM
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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
Also make sure to correct the open and closed loop boost mappings for achieving good boost control ;-)

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RE: OM 642 + GTB 2260 VKLR
austincarnut I would be very interested of the turbo, please pm me if you still is interested in selling it

[quote='Austincarnut' pid='45537' dateline='1351733168']
I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

diesel2fast4u do you have how the boost as function of rev is responding?
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If possible and for a good information on this thread, and if anyone knows it, the teorical/real maximum values for:

-Injectors mm^3/hp
-mass air flow rate lb/min
-cylinder heads cfm's
-turbo boost BAR
etc...

I will do some measurements on air flow and injection soon and will post my results. If you have any please post. Wink
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(02-18-2012 01:06 PM)diesel2fast4u Wrote:  It's not exactly plug & play ...

Turbo mount is different

New vs old, new turbo mount has a hole for the watercooling

[Image: IMAGE_709C726A-7715-42BF-A3F8-5D3888E0C218.JPG]
[Image: IMAGE_2C1E6903-23A3-4B95-A0CB-224239E3EC39.JPG]

Water outlet in the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_DB562811-8868-43D5-B448-87D1E3058B82.JPG]

Plugged the bottem water feed an tapped a new one in the turbo mount

[Image: IMAGE_CEF6DB9F-455F-4160-BBA2-C92B90993237.JPG]

Tapped into the block to feed water to the turbo

[Image: IMAGE_90181267-EDC9-4539-9162-AAB36F7C0802.JPG]

Blocked the EGR & It fits :

[Image: IMAGE_6E2D59A1-BFF2-440A-BB14-947719C5C91A.JPG]

Hi guys!
I have a question about mounting GTB2260VKLR on the motor OM642.920.
I know that the flanges are identical as GT2056V. I know about part number A6420961145 - turbo mount, gasket A 6421420681 and A6421420981. I know how make water output from the turbo.
My question is how make the water inlet to the turbo? Just drill a hole as shown gasket A 6421420681 in motor block?
Thanks for your help
01-16-2013 02:58 PM
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(10-31-2012 08:26 PM)Austincarnut Wrote:  I have one of those turbos w/ very low mileage, has a bad actuator if anyone is interested. 642's and biodiesel don't get along. MB put out a good document about how it really destroys these engines.

Yup--Its the DPF situation that causes most of the incompatability issues with BioDiesel....

Its pretty nice then that the OM.642 imported to the UK market--Doesnt Have that Nasty Device fitted, as far as I'm aware!

Here in the UK, DPF's cause more trouble than anything else on diesel-vehicles! 'Orrible bloody things! There's loads of Co's doing DPF deletes here!

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(10-30-2012 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Wrote:  Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

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(01-17-2013 12:37 AM)majesty78 Wrote:  
(10-30-2012 04:21 PM)diesel2fast4u Wrote:  Anyone know how we can avoid the downshifting?

On W211 there should be some "dyno mode" which can be activated over cluster menu.

yes, there is a "secret menu" and there you will find a dyno mode submenu.

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