New Project - Skunkwerks EM9D
New Project - Skunkwerks EM9D
10-29-2010, 11:08 PM
#601
Regards, Eric
This post was last modified: 10-29-2010, 11:14 PM by 400Eric.
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
Guys, about tomorrow, the rain, if we get any at all, will be over by 9:00 AM leaving us with a nice day with cool temps, perfect for racing! The lesser men will be staying home, leaving us with the track to ourselves! The track's website still hasn't canceled the day, so it's on! Anyone who is going, PM me your number so we'll be able to connect at the track!
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
10-30-2010, 02:24 AM
#602
Regards, Eric
This post was last modified: 10-30-2010, 03:07 AM by 400Eric.
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
Late update! The track has now canceled the drags for tomorrow/today due to a slight amount of rain forecast for the very early morning hours! The wimps! They have now added a date three weeks from tomorrow/today.
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
10-30-2010, 02:43 AM
#603
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
10-30-2010, 02:43 AM #603They were scared of my car... That's why lol
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
10-30-2010, 07:39 AM
#604
Oh well, guess I need to clean the garage then
3 weeks would be the weekend before Thanksgiving right, might work out...
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
10-30-2010, 07:39 AM #604I guess I should have read this before I woke up this morning at 4:30
Oh well, guess I need to clean the garage then
3 weeks would be the weekend before Thanksgiving right, might work out...
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
10-30-2010, 11:24 AM
#605
(10-24-2010, 09:51 PM)Captain America Pete has a Mustang dyno first off, which is better (more accurate/ real world numbers) than a Dyno Jet. ... Oh, and if your worried about not having Dyno Jet numbers for previous comparison, he can convert the real world numbers over to the over inflated Dyno Jet numbers for ya.LOL! I've heard exactly the opposite, that DynoJet generally tends to have lower (more realistic) numbers than Mustang. Also remember that there are multiple different types/models of each dyno, i.e. not all Dynojets are the same, nor are all Mustangs the same. If you really want to know how accurate the dyno is, get the exact model from the shop, and do some Googling on that specific model. Even then it's a gray area as the dyno has to be calibrated after installation and if they screw up the calibration, the numbers may not compare well to other dynos, even one of the same mfr / model. In summary, it's best to use the dyno as a tuning tool, and always use the same dyno. It doesn't matter if it reads 100hp or 500hp, after you make a change if it reads 110hp or 550hp, you still got a 10% power increase. The dragstrip is the final equalizer, the dyno numbers are irrelevant if you can't get the power to the ground.
About the 3rd/4th gear thing. Something is screwy there. Justin should definitely have been able to get good runs in 3rd gear with NOS activated. I'm not sure what was going on. There shouldn't have been such a discrepancy between the runs n teh diesel, either. I've done runs in two different gears on my E420 and the difference was 1-3% at most. A 10% delta is huge. Maybe that dyno has lightweight rollers (TOO light weight) and cannot properly load up higher-power cars? It might work fine on low-torque ricers but wouldn't work as well on high-torque diesels or juiced M119's.
BTW, as y'all learned the hard way, the 722.3/722.4 tranny needs both the Bowden cable AND the kickdown solenoid disconnected to keep it in 3rd gear at low RPM's. I unplug the solenoid at home and the Bowden cable at the dyno to keep things simple, while retaining driveability to & from the shop.
If anyone can locate a wire that will work with the dyno's electrical tach input, PLEASE let us know. The optical sensor is a PITA and loses signal about half the time - a real annoyance. I thought it needed a high-voltage signal from a plug wire, but if it will work with a low-voltage signal, we could try the flywheel speed sensor....
This post was last modified: 10-30-2010, 11:28 AM by gsxr.
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
(10-24-2010, 09:51 PM)Captain America Pete has a Mustang dyno first off, which is better (more accurate/ real world numbers) than a Dyno Jet. ... Oh, and if your worried about not having Dyno Jet numbers for previous comparison, he can convert the real world numbers over to the over inflated Dyno Jet numbers for ya.LOL! I've heard exactly the opposite, that DynoJet generally tends to have lower (more realistic) numbers than Mustang. Also remember that there are multiple different types/models of each dyno, i.e. not all Dynojets are the same, nor are all Mustangs the same. If you really want to know how accurate the dyno is, get the exact model from the shop, and do some Googling on that specific model. Even then it's a gray area as the dyno has to be calibrated after installation and if they screw up the calibration, the numbers may not compare well to other dynos, even one of the same mfr / model. In summary, it's best to use the dyno as a tuning tool, and always use the same dyno. It doesn't matter if it reads 100hp or 500hp, after you make a change if it reads 110hp or 550hp, you still got a 10% power increase. The dragstrip is the final equalizer, the dyno numbers are irrelevant if you can't get the power to the ground.
About the 3rd/4th gear thing. Something is screwy there. Justin should definitely have been able to get good runs in 3rd gear with NOS activated. I'm not sure what was going on. There shouldn't have been such a discrepancy between the runs n teh diesel, either. I've done runs in two different gears on my E420 and the difference was 1-3% at most. A 10% delta is huge. Maybe that dyno has lightweight rollers (TOO light weight) and cannot properly load up higher-power cars? It might work fine on low-torque ricers but wouldn't work as well on high-torque diesels or juiced M119's.
BTW, as y'all learned the hard way, the 722.3/722.4 tranny needs both the Bowden cable AND the kickdown solenoid disconnected to keep it in 3rd gear at low RPM's. I unplug the solenoid at home and the Bowden cable at the dyno to keep things simple, while retaining driveability to & from the shop.
If anyone can locate a wire that will work with the dyno's electrical tach input, PLEASE let us know. The optical sensor is a PITA and loses signal about half the time - a real annoyance. I thought it needed a high-voltage signal from a plug wire, but if it will work with a low-voltage signal, we could try the flywheel speed sensor....
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
10-30-2010, 08:56 PM
#606
(10-30-2010, 11:24 AM)gsxr(10-24-2010, 09:51 PM)Captain America Pete has a Mustang dyno first off, which is better (more accurate/ real world numbers) than a Dyno Jet. ... Oh, and if your worried about not having Dyno Jet numbers for previous comparison, he can convert the real world numbers over to the over inflated Dyno Jet numbers for ya.LOL! I've heard exactly the opposite, that DynoJet generally tends to have lower (more realistic) numbers than Mustang. Also remember that there are multiple different types/models of each dyno, i.e. not all Dynojets are the same, nor are all Mustangs the same. If you really want to know how accurate the dyno is, get the exact model from the shop, and do some Googling on that specific model. Even then it's a gray area as the dyno has to be calibrated after installation and if they screw up the calibration, the numbers may not compare well to other dynos, even one of the same mfr / model. In summary, it's best to use the dyno as a tuning tool, and always use the same dyno. It doesn't matter if it reads 100hp or 500hp, after you make a change if it reads 110hp or 550hp, you still got a 10% power increase. The dragstrip is the final equalizer, the dyno numbers are irrelevant if you can't get the power to the ground.
About the 3rd/4th gear thing. Something is screwy there. Justin should definitely have been able to get good runs in 3rd gear with NOS activated. I'm not sure what was going on. There shouldn't have been such a discrepancy between the runs n teh diesel, either. I've done runs in two different gears on my E420 and the difference was 1-3% at most. A 10% delta is huge. Maybe that dyno has lightweight rollers (TOO light weight) and cannot properly load up higher-power cars? It might work fine on low-torque ricers but wouldn't work as well on high-torque diesels or juiced M119's.
BTW, as y'all learned the hard way, the 722.3/722.4 tranny needs both the Bowden cable AND the kickdown solenoid disconnected to keep it in 3rd gear at low RPM's. I unplug the solenoid at home and the Bowden cable at the dyno to keep things simple, while retaining driveability to & from the shop.
If anyone can locate a wire that will work with the dyno's electrical tach input, PLEASE let us know. The optical sensor is a PITA and loses signal about half the time - a real annoyance. I thought it needed a high-voltage signal from a plug wire, but if it will work with a low-voltage signal, we could try the flywheel speed sensor....
Not in California haha. Dynojets always have higher numbers than Mustangs. Pete has a MD-750...
Obviously I had to cut and paste a little to make that pic...
ALL runs should be done only in the gear that is closest to 1:1 or the dyno will falsely read higher or lower numbers than what the motor actually makes. Usually third gear is correct for an auto trans.
Ummm, I think they have a typo there.... I'm sure he has the MD-250. I dont even see a MD-750 n their website haha.
Heres more info.... http://g35driver.com/forums/engine-drive...-read.html
This post was last modified: 10-30-2010, 09:02 PM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
10-30-2010, 08:56 PM #606(10-30-2010, 11:24 AM)gsxr(10-24-2010, 09:51 PM)Captain America Pete has a Mustang dyno first off, which is better (more accurate/ real world numbers) than a Dyno Jet. ... Oh, and if your worried about not having Dyno Jet numbers for previous comparison, he can convert the real world numbers over to the over inflated Dyno Jet numbers for ya.LOL! I've heard exactly the opposite, that DynoJet generally tends to have lower (more realistic) numbers than Mustang. Also remember that there are multiple different types/models of each dyno, i.e. not all Dynojets are the same, nor are all Mustangs the same. If you really want to know how accurate the dyno is, get the exact model from the shop, and do some Googling on that specific model. Even then it's a gray area as the dyno has to be calibrated after installation and if they screw up the calibration, the numbers may not compare well to other dynos, even one of the same mfr / model. In summary, it's best to use the dyno as a tuning tool, and always use the same dyno. It doesn't matter if it reads 100hp or 500hp, after you make a change if it reads 110hp or 550hp, you still got a 10% power increase. The dragstrip is the final equalizer, the dyno numbers are irrelevant if you can't get the power to the ground.
About the 3rd/4th gear thing. Something is screwy there. Justin should definitely have been able to get good runs in 3rd gear with NOS activated. I'm not sure what was going on. There shouldn't have been such a discrepancy between the runs n teh diesel, either. I've done runs in two different gears on my E420 and the difference was 1-3% at most. A 10% delta is huge. Maybe that dyno has lightweight rollers (TOO light weight) and cannot properly load up higher-power cars? It might work fine on low-torque ricers but wouldn't work as well on high-torque diesels or juiced M119's.
BTW, as y'all learned the hard way, the 722.3/722.4 tranny needs both the Bowden cable AND the kickdown solenoid disconnected to keep it in 3rd gear at low RPM's. I unplug the solenoid at home and the Bowden cable at the dyno to keep things simple, while retaining driveability to & from the shop.
If anyone can locate a wire that will work with the dyno's electrical tach input, PLEASE let us know. The optical sensor is a PITA and loses signal about half the time - a real annoyance. I thought it needed a high-voltage signal from a plug wire, but if it will work with a low-voltage signal, we could try the flywheel speed sensor....
Not in California haha. Dynojets always have higher numbers than Mustangs. Pete has a MD-750...
Obviously I had to cut and paste a little to make that pic...
ALL runs should be done only in the gear that is closest to 1:1 or the dyno will falsely read higher or lower numbers than what the motor actually makes. Usually third gear is correct for an auto trans.
Ummm, I think they have a typo there.... I'm sure he has the MD-250. I dont even see a MD-750 n their website haha.
Heres more info.... http://g35driver.com/forums/engine-drive...-read.html
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
10-30-2010, 10:47 PM
#607
(10-30-2010, 08:56 PM)Captain America ALL runs should be done only in the gear that is closest to 1:1 or the dyno will falsely read higher or lower numbers than what the motor actually makes.
4th is 1:1, 3rd is 1.44.
ForcedInduction
10-30-2010, 10:47 PM
#607
(10-30-2010, 08:56 PM)Captain America ALL runs should be done only in the gear that is closest to 1:1 or the dyno will falsely read higher or lower numbers than what the motor actually makes.
4th is 1:1, 3rd is 1.44.
10-30-2010, 11:20 PM
#608
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-30-2010, 11:20 PM #608Same with the 4spd manuals as well
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-31-2010, 01:09 AM
#609
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
10-31-2010, 01:09 AM #609Cool. I thought it was third gear on these cars (auto)...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
10-31-2010, 03:29 AM
#610
If it needs to be 12V or isolated or etc for the dyno it shouldn't be too hard to do.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
If you need a rpm output, find the tach wire in the dash and vampire it/solder a pigtail to it.
If it needs to be 12V or isolated or etc for the dyno it shouldn't be too hard to do.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
10-31-2010, 05:14 PM
#611
On the 400E with 2.24 gears, it's best to use 2nd gear. I dynod my E420 in both 2nd and 3rd gear and the difference was minimal, the curves were the same shape. The 3rd gear run was down 1% in peak power but up 3% in peak torque compared to the 2nd gear runs. The 3rd gear run also hit the 130mph top-speed limiter during one test (I later bypassed this to get full graphs for comparison).
I'll check the tach signal. It's an inductive sensor at the flywheel below the starter on a 60x engine, and the wiring goes past the battery area on the way to the tach. Should be easy to tap into and see if that signal makes the dyno happy.
On all the 722.x transmissions, fourth gear is 1:1. But that isn't realistic for higher-powered, high-RPM cars like a 500E which would spin to ~165mph if the speed limiter is removed. There's no need for spinning the dyno that fast. The 400E is even more ridiculous due to the 2.24 axle ratio. That's why 3rd gear is most commonly used on a Mercedes with 722.x auto and gearing between 2.65-3.27 (approx).
On the 400E with 2.24 gears, it's best to use 2nd gear. I dynod my E420 in both 2nd and 3rd gear and the difference was minimal, the curves were the same shape. The 3rd gear run was down 1% in peak power but up 3% in peak torque compared to the 2nd gear runs. The 3rd gear run also hit the 130mph top-speed limiter during one test (I later bypassed this to get full graphs for comparison).
I'll check the tach signal. It's an inductive sensor at the flywheel below the starter on a 60x engine, and the wiring goes past the battery area on the way to the tach. Should be easy to tap into and see if that signal makes the dyno happy.
10-31-2010, 09:32 PM
#612
Also, I'd think the amp would divide down the 140 or whatever pulses per rotation to a more manageable signal to send to the tach as well.
That assumes it picks up off of the ring gear, and not some other reference.
This post was last modified: 10-31-2010, 09:39 PM by 300D50.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I'd tap in after the tach amp, where it goes to the dash. otherwise you might atttenuate the signal to the point the tach amp freaks out.
Also, I'd think the amp would divide down the 140 or whatever pulses per rotation to a more manageable signal to send to the tach as well.
That assumes it picks up off of the ring gear, and not some other reference.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
11-01-2010, 09:35 AM
#613
This post was last modified: 11-01-2010, 09:38 AM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-01-2010, 09:35 AM #613It depends on the year before 1984 its off the crank balancer I believe?
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
11-02-2010, 11:48 AM
#614
Ich liebe meine Autos!
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD | 156K Miles | 2nd Owner | EGR Disabled [Removal Pending] | ALDA Removed | Straight Pipes | GT2256V??? | Laser Interceptor | Engine swap over summer, hopefully with GT2256V attached...
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD | Odo Stopped at 160K (at least 50K more) | EGR Disabled | ALDA All The Way Out | Straight pipes | FM-870 Remote Start Alarm System | B100 Biodiesel | AC Fixed x2 | Trunk crushed in
| Retired to garage.Excessive speeding? It ain't excessive till I redline!
What kind of signal does a dyno expect? I can probably put something together to convert the tach amp output to whatever it expects.
Ich liebe meine Autos!
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD | 156K Miles | 2nd Owner | EGR Disabled [Removal Pending] | ALDA Removed | Straight Pipes | GT2256V??? | Laser Interceptor | Engine swap over summer, hopefully with GT2256V attached...
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD | Odo Stopped at 160K (at least 50K more) | EGR Disabled | ALDA All The Way Out | Straight pipes | FM-870 Remote Start Alarm System | B100 Biodiesel | AC Fixed x2 | Trunk crushed in
| Retired to garage.Excessive speeding? It ain't excessive till I redline!
11-02-2010, 12:06 PM
#615
(11-02-2010, 11:48 AM)300SD81 What kind of signal does a dyno expect? I can probably put something together to convert the tach amp output to whatever it expects.
My thoughts exactly. I think they look for the inductive "kick" caused by the ignition coil noise, so you could just put a bjt with a 10K pull up to 12V, invert it with another transistor if needed, and pull the signal off the collector with another resistor. If needed you could have a resistor hanging off the collector to simulate just a level shift instead of a pull to ground.
Conceivably a job for a ratshack 2n3904 and some strip-board.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
(11-02-2010, 11:48 AM)300SD81 What kind of signal does a dyno expect? I can probably put something together to convert the tach amp output to whatever it expects.
My thoughts exactly. I think they look for the inductive "kick" caused by the ignition coil noise, so you could just put a bjt with a 10K pull up to 12V, invert it with another transistor if needed, and pull the signal off the collector with another resistor. If needed you could have a resistor hanging off the collector to simulate just a level shift instead of a pull to ground.
Conceivably a job for a ratshack 2n3904 and some strip-board.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
11-02-2010, 08:26 PM
#616
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
11-02-2010, 08:26 PM #616Yeah or 5volt square wave signal like what comes out of an MSD CD box...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
11-06-2010, 03:09 AM
#617
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
Captain, what's happening with the new dyno day you are organizing? Please don't forget that we have two track days coming up on 11/20/10 and 12/4/10, so to protect turn-out, don't use those days.
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
12-11-2010, 11:11 AM
#620
if you can get some hoosier tires cheap/free, there may be some dedicated nasa/scca teams letting those go.
stating the obvious, but what a build!
Attached Files
Image(s)you are the man! mocked up a sticker to put on your car. my 4 yo daughter calls it the dancing pig ... maybe killer boar is more appropriate
if you can get some hoosier tires cheap/free, there may be some dedicated nasa/scca teams letting those go.
stating the obvious, but what a build!
Attached Files
Image(s)
12-15-2010, 04:03 AM
#622
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
The next drag strip date is 01/08/11!
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
supercharged3.0
01-11-2011, 01:46 AM #625(01-11-2011, 12:22 AM)ForcedInduction Any dyno?
Good question ))) x2
01-11-2011, 02:44 AM
#626
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
01-11-2011, 02:44 AM #626x10? LOL
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
01-11-2011, 08:17 AM
#628
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
01-11-2011, 08:17 AM #628I have been pretty busy working and doing other things with my time, being constructive and NOT harassing others if you know what I what I elude to...I don't really have much time to do much work on the car right now or play games on the internet - this is the first time I have posted anywhere in weeks.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
01-11-2011, 10:16 AM
#629
See posts 560, 591, and 599. 175hp at the wheels, which is about 210-215hp at the crank. A bit less than expected, but definitely more than 125hp...
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
Uh, he did go to the dyno - unfortunately the wrong dyno, as the operator seemed to have issues and not know what he was doing (i.e., how to use an optical sensor to get an RPM signal; or how to get good numbers in 3rd gear).
See posts 560, 591, and 599. 175hp at the wheels, which is about 210-215hp at the crank. A bit less than expected, but definitely more than 125hp...
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
01-21-2011, 07:16 PM
#630
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/01/...-ke70.aspx
a volvo t5 powered corolla ...
note the side exhuast ... hint ... hint ... possible to have this coming out the passenger or driver side?
what if y deleted the rear seats, installed a cage, racing seats and the car went on a weight watchers diet?
unrelated except as a celebration that speed matters ... and it would be nice to see a 2nd diesel benz on speedhunters.com ...
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/01/...-ke70.aspx
a volvo t5 powered corolla ...
note the side exhuast ... hint ... hint ... possible to have this coming out the passenger or driver side?
what if y deleted the rear seats, installed a cage, racing seats and the car went on a weight watchers diet?
02-11-2011, 04:41 AM
#631
(10-25-2010, 03:42 PM)Captain America Ok so I just got done talking with Pete @ WOT. We are go for a dyno day if you guys want to do another. He's got the optical sensor to get the RPM signal. He said that setting up the optical takes a bit of time so sometimes its easeir to set the engine RPM in the dyno computer based on roll speed which he said works out well. It would be $50 a car for 3 runs. He said with his schedualling a sunday would work out better (didn't think that would be an issue ). Also said that the gas Benz's with traction control can be tricky because the computer trips out when the front wheels are not turning, I dunno if this is a known problem or not... anyway, if we wanna come up with a date we are good to go. I would definitely be there with my POS so that would count as one.
Where are we with this? Let's do another dyno day at your buddy's shop! I have a new ignition controller I want to test thanks to GSXR, and you guys need to try this guy's Mustang dyno because of what I just read in Hot Rod: "Types of chassis dynos
Dynos can be categorized as either inertia, hydraulic, or electric. An inertia dyno can only do full-throttle acceleration runs, but the best load-bearing hydraulic and electric dynos can do step tests, constant-speed pulls, and even part-throttle testing so that full road-load simulations can be conducted right on the dyno."
"Inertia Dyno: These extrapolate rear-wheel power output by analyzing the dyno drum's acceleration rate using a sophisticated accelerometer and computer software. A vehicle is placed on the dyno with its drive wheels sitting on heavy roller drums of known mass. The car is placed in gear and accelerated at wide-open throttle. It takes a certain amount of time and force for the tires to accelerate the rollers. The acceleration rate is directly proportional to how much power the tires place on the heavy roller to get it to rotate. Inertia dynos have the reputation for reading "high." Generally, with mainstream vehicles in the 3,500-pound class, they'll yield consistent results with minimal setup time. They may have trouble obtaining accurate results with extremely heavy or light vehicles. Turbocharged engines won't build boost as they do in the real world. Dynojet is the most common pure-inertia dyno (some of its newest models have an eddy-current option)." (The whole article is here: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/gener...index.html
What this means is that all of you with turbos may not have gotten accurate info at our last dyno day cause that place only has a regular Dynojet. We need to go have a dyno day at Captain's buddy's place cause he has a Mustang dyno!
Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
This post was last modified: 02-11-2011, 07:46 AM by 400Eric.
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
(10-25-2010, 03:42 PM)Captain America Ok so I just got done talking with Pete @ WOT. We are go for a dyno day if you guys want to do another. He's got the optical sensor to get the RPM signal. He said that setting up the optical takes a bit of time so sometimes its easeir to set the engine RPM in the dyno computer based on roll speed which he said works out well. It would be $50 a car for 3 runs. He said with his schedualling a sunday would work out better (didn't think that would be an issue ). Also said that the gas Benz's with traction control can be tricky because the computer trips out when the front wheels are not turning, I dunno if this is a known problem or not... anyway, if we wanna come up with a date we are good to go. I would definitely be there with my POS so that would count as one.
Where are we with this? Let's do another dyno day at your buddy's shop! I have a new ignition controller I want to test thanks to GSXR, and you guys need to try this guy's Mustang dyno because of what I just read in Hot Rod: "Types of chassis dynos
Dynos can be categorized as either inertia, hydraulic, or electric. An inertia dyno can only do full-throttle acceleration runs, but the best load-bearing hydraulic and electric dynos can do step tests, constant-speed pulls, and even part-throttle testing so that full road-load simulations can be conducted right on the dyno."
"Inertia Dyno: These extrapolate rear-wheel power output by analyzing the dyno drum's acceleration rate using a sophisticated accelerometer and computer software. A vehicle is placed on the dyno with its drive wheels sitting on heavy roller drums of known mass. The car is placed in gear and accelerated at wide-open throttle. It takes a certain amount of time and force for the tires to accelerate the rollers. The acceleration rate is directly proportional to how much power the tires place on the heavy roller to get it to rotate. Inertia dynos have the reputation for reading "high." Generally, with mainstream vehicles in the 3,500-pound class, they'll yield consistent results with minimal setup time. They may have trouble obtaining accurate results with extremely heavy or light vehicles. Turbocharged engines won't build boost as they do in the real world. Dynojet is the most common pure-inertia dyno (some of its newest models have an eddy-current option)." (The whole article is here: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/gener...index.html
What this means is that all of you with turbos may not have gotten accurate info at our last dyno day cause that place only has a regular Dynojet. We need to go have a dyno day at Captain's buddy's place cause he has a Mustang dyno!
Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
02-11-2011, 03:31 PM
#632
(02-11-2011, 04:41 AM)400Eric Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(02-11-2011, 04:41 AM)400Eric Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
02-11-2011, 04:13 PM
#633
(02-11-2011, 04:41 AM)400Eric(10-25-2010, 03:42 PM)Captain America Ok so I just got done talking with Pete @ WOT. We are go for a dyno day if you guys want to do another. He's got the optical sensor to get the RPM signal. He said that setting up the optical takes a bit of time so sometimes its easeir to set the engine RPM in the dyno computer based on roll speed which he said works out well. It would be $50 a car for 3 runs. He said with his schedualling a sunday would work out better (didn't think that would be an issue ). Also said that the gas Benz's with traction control can be tricky because the computer trips out when the front wheels are not turning, I dunno if this is a known problem or not... anyway, if we wanna come up with a date we are good to go. I would definitely be there with my POS so that would count as one.
Where are we with this? Let's do another dyno day at your buddy's shop! I have a new ignition controller I want to test thanks to GSXR, and you guys need to try this guy's Mustang dyno because of what I just read in Hot Rod: "Types of chassis dynos
Dynos can be categorized as either inertia, hydraulic, or electric. An inertia dyno can only do full-throttle acceleration runs, but the best load-bearing hydraulic and electric dynos can do step tests, constant-speed pulls, and even part-throttle testing so that full road-load simulations can be conducted right on the dyno."
"Inertia Dyno: These extrapolate rear-wheel power output by analyzing the dyno drum's acceleration rate using a sophisticated accelerometer and computer software. A vehicle is placed on the dyno with its drive wheels sitting on heavy roller drums of known mass. The car is placed in gear and accelerated at wide-open throttle. It takes a certain amount of time and force for the tires to accelerate the rollers. The acceleration rate is directly proportional to how much power the tires place on the heavy roller to get it to rotate. Inertia dynos have the reputation for reading "high." Generally, with mainstream vehicles in the 3,500-pound class, they'll yield consistent results with minimal setup time. They may have trouble obtaining accurate results with extremely heavy or light vehicles. Turbocharged engines won't build boost as they do in the real world. Dynojet is the most common pure-inertia dyno (some of its newest models have an eddy-current option)." (The whole article is here: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/gener...index.html
What this means is that all of you with turbos may not have gotten accurate info at our last dyno day cause that place only has a regular Dynojet. We need to go have a dyno day at Captain's buddy's place cause he has a Mustang dyno!
Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
Haha, Eric. Wasn't me buddy... I don't have a diesel that runs at the moment. But I might this weekend! What car was it that fumigated you? I'm sure we can track him down...
The Dyno is still open for a day, whenever we choose. He is having a car show @ Norco High school on the 19th. I will be there...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
02-11-2011, 04:13 PM #633(02-11-2011, 04:41 AM)400Eric(10-25-2010, 03:42 PM)Captain America Ok so I just got done talking with Pete @ WOT. We are go for a dyno day if you guys want to do another. He's got the optical sensor to get the RPM signal. He said that setting up the optical takes a bit of time so sometimes its easeir to set the engine RPM in the dyno computer based on roll speed which he said works out well. It would be $50 a car for 3 runs. He said with his schedualling a sunday would work out better (didn't think that would be an issue ). Also said that the gas Benz's with traction control can be tricky because the computer trips out when the front wheels are not turning, I dunno if this is a known problem or not... anyway, if we wanna come up with a date we are good to go. I would definitely be there with my POS so that would count as one.
Where are we with this? Let's do another dyno day at your buddy's shop! I have a new ignition controller I want to test thanks to GSXR, and you guys need to try this guy's Mustang dyno because of what I just read in Hot Rod: "Types of chassis dynos
Dynos can be categorized as either inertia, hydraulic, or electric. An inertia dyno can only do full-throttle acceleration runs, but the best load-bearing hydraulic and electric dynos can do step tests, constant-speed pulls, and even part-throttle testing so that full road-load simulations can be conducted right on the dyno."
"Inertia Dyno: These extrapolate rear-wheel power output by analyzing the dyno drum's acceleration rate using a sophisticated accelerometer and computer software. A vehicle is placed on the dyno with its drive wheels sitting on heavy roller drums of known mass. The car is placed in gear and accelerated at wide-open throttle. It takes a certain amount of time and force for the tires to accelerate the rollers. The acceleration rate is directly proportional to how much power the tires place on the heavy roller to get it to rotate. Inertia dynos have the reputation for reading "high." Generally, with mainstream vehicles in the 3,500-pound class, they'll yield consistent results with minimal setup time. They may have trouble obtaining accurate results with extremely heavy or light vehicles. Turbocharged engines won't build boost as they do in the real world. Dynojet is the most common pure-inertia dyno (some of its newest models have an eddy-current option)." (The whole article is here: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/gener...index.html
What this means is that all of you with turbos may not have gotten accurate info at our last dyno day cause that place only has a regular Dynojet. We need to go have a dyno day at Captain's buddy's place cause he has a Mustang dyno!
Totally off topic but this isn't worth starting a new thread over: Whoever that was at the 60/215/91 interchange tonight (I hope that wasn't you Captain), you didn't need to turn our little brawl into a full fledged road rage incident. My 400E is a 93, the last year without a cabin filter. I was just simply trying to get around you so I could prevent subjecting my wife and 2 kids to your prodigious diesel fumes. I also had a new air compressor in the trunk along with three tires with rims, and loads of groceries and other stuff. The car was packed solid but we still spanked you anyways. That area is heavily patroled by the revenuers (ask me how I know), so in the future, chill. If I didn't have the wife and kids with me I maybe wouldn't have minded, but you took it too far. No hard feelings, but please try to chill a bit. Getting laid might do you some good. Try it.
Regards, Eric
Haha, Eric. Wasn't me buddy... I don't have a diesel that runs at the moment. But I might this weekend! What car was it that fumigated you? I'm sure we can track him down...
The Dyno is still open for a day, whenever we choose. He is having a car show @ Norco High school on the 19th. I will be there...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
02-11-2011, 11:37 PM
#634
Maybe it was the guy above who is laughing so hard?
As far as the dyno day is concerned, I think the next step is for you to start a thread and start gathering firm commitments from folks so we can be sure we will meet our minimum and also so we can begin to suss out what day will be good for everyone. Please post a link here. I will once again try to get some Volvo guys to come.
Regards, Eric
This post was last modified: 02-12-2011, 03:02 AM by 400Eric.
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
All I can say is it was a W123 sedan. I don't know if it was green or gray or silver or charcoal colored.
Maybe it was the guy above who is laughing so hard?
As far as the dyno day is concerned, I think the next step is for you to start a thread and start gathering firm commitments from folks so we can be sure we will meet our minimum and also so we can begin to suss out what day will be good for everyone. Please post a link here. I will once again try to get some Volvo guys to come.
Regards, Eric
"I've had the car upside down and still been steering trying to correct it" Richard Petty
85 Volvo 740 turbo diesel "Bolbo 1"
90 Volvo 740 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 2"
93 Volvo 940 wagon turbo gas "Bolbo 5"
89 300E "Benzer 1" 15.924 uncorrected at Pomona
93 400E "Benzer 3" 14.200 uncorrected at Fontana
95 E420 "Benzer 4"
87 300D "Benzer 7"
87 300D "Benzer 8"
85 Dodge flatbed tow truck "Festus"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" (1 of the AMC 360 powered ones)
94 Ford F700 Cummins 6BT Allison AT545 (all factory!) "Thomas"
02-12-2011, 06:38 AM
#635
(01-21-2011, 07:16 PM)300SD_KY note the side exhuast ... hint ... hint ... possible to have this coming out the passenger or driver side?
No. Its not legal to have exhaust passing through the passenger compartment on a street-vehicle.
ForcedInduction
02-12-2011, 06:38 AM
#635
(01-21-2011, 07:16 PM)300SD_KY note the side exhuast ... hint ... hint ... possible to have this coming out the passenger or driver side?
No. Its not legal to have exhaust passing through the passenger compartment on a street-vehicle.
02-17-2011, 12:26 PM
#636
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Spaceraver
02-17-2011, 12:26 PM #636I don't think he meant having it inside the passenger compartement, just a side pipe in either side if possible.
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
02-17-2011, 05:55 PM
#637
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
02-17-2011, 05:55 PM #637Like through the fender right? That's what I'm working on....
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
02-17-2011, 06:04 PM
#638
ForcedInduction
02-17-2011, 06:04 PM
#638
A fender exhaust is a nice thought, but it requires cutting through structural body metal.
02-17-2011, 07:47 PM
#639
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
02-17-2011, 07:47 PM #639Eh, a round hole I don't think would be anything to worry about, especially a 3" to 4" one. Keep it spaced between the firewall and wheel well, the space in between them doesn't really do much that's the "frame" rails job. My opinion from reconstructing that area FWIW.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
02-17-2011, 10:49 PM
#640
Wait, how did this thread hijack start?
This post was last modified: 02-17-2011, 10:49 PM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
02-17-2011, 10:49 PM #640I had it cut for a couple months with no adverse effects... And I rally mine!
Wait, how did this thread hijack start?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
02-18-2011, 12:53 PM
#641
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
02-18-2011, 12:53 PM #641Hey Rudolf any news or updates on your project? pics anything???
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
03-16-2011, 02:08 AM
#644
(02-28-2011, 11:38 AM)winmutt Hes pretty busy with personal stuff these days. As soon as the days start getting longer we all get more productive.
Alright! The days are already longer than before.
But, I do not see any updates yet ))))
supercharged3.0
03-16-2011, 02:08 AM #644(02-28-2011, 11:38 AM)winmutt Hes pretty busy with personal stuff these days. As soon as the days start getting longer we all get more productive.
Alright! The days are already longer than before.
But, I do not see any updates yet ))))
03-16-2011, 07:11 AM
#645
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
03-16-2011, 07:11 AM #645No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
03-16-2011, 12:38 PM
#647
(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
03-16-2011, 12:38 PM #647(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
03-16-2011, 01:44 PM
#648
(03-16-2011, 12:38 PM)mike-81-240d(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean? It was a blast building, and I am still on the fence, but I may want a new project.
This post was last modified: 03-16-2011, 01:44 PM by Rudolf_Diesel.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
03-16-2011, 01:44 PM #648(03-16-2011, 12:38 PM)mike-81-240d(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean? It was a blast building, and I am still on the fence, but I may want a new project.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
03-16-2011, 01:58 PM
#649
(03-16-2011, 01:44 PM)Rudolf_DieselWell if you do decide to get rid of it, take it down to the local Mercedes dealer for something simple and cheap like an oil change. It should shock the guys in the service department. Hell they may even buy it off you. What better car could a professional Mercedes mechanic drive?(03-16-2011, 12:38 PM)mike-81-240d(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean? It was a blast building, and I am still on the fence, but I may want a new project.
(03-16-2011, 01:44 PM)Rudolf_DieselWell if you do decide to get rid of it, take it down to the local Mercedes dealer for something simple and cheap like an oil change. It should shock the guys in the service department. Hell they may even buy it off you. What better car could a professional Mercedes mechanic drive?(03-16-2011, 12:38 PM)mike-81-240d(03-16-2011, 07:11 AM)Rudolf_Diesel No updates...I am considering parting out the car as I really dont have time for it anymore - any interest?
What?!!!!!
Did something break?...
Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean? It was a blast building, and I am still on the fence, but I may want a new project.
03-16-2011, 03:26 PM
#650
(03-16-2011, 01:44 PM)Rudolf_Diesel Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean?
I've got a few project you can pursue
This post was last modified: 03-16-2011, 03:52 PM by winmutt.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(03-16-2011, 01:44 PM)Rudolf_Diesel Nothing broken, head gasket is probably an issue. It is more of the pursuit than the actual catch if you know what I mean?
I've got a few project you can pursue
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
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