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Injector with needle motion sensor
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Gentlemen , hello!

I have a question , or a request..

You probably know that especially the VE allows electronically adjustable SOI-timing. To achieve closed-loop control, on the cars with such system, there is one injector with needle motion sensor.

For the case you forgot, it looks like:

[Image: 028130202Q.jpg]

[Image: $_35.JPG]


Now, the question: 

For my ELITE-project, I would need something like that. I am looking for an injector that has approximately the length of the usual OM606 injector...

Because the VW TDI is like ... 5-7 cm longer .. (and has M14 thread, which sucks too.. ) and the BMW TDS Injector is very very short...

Diesel geeks, unite! Who would have an idea ? 

Kind regards,

Evgeniy

(PS. At this point, I assume interchangeability of parts. I already fitted the nozzle holder of the Benz-injector onto the VT TDI body.. The thread is the same...)
(This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 12:49 PM by Evgeniy1987.)
02-20-2017, 12:47 PM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
I just found out that the TDS injector has a thicker body, thus the nozzle cap from the OM606 injector would not fit the TDS injector.. that is a pity Smile the search continues..
02-21-2017, 02:42 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Look AAZ 1.9TD engine, its dual spring and a bit longer than BMW M51.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
02-22-2017, 02:47 PM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Thanks, they are indeed a litle longer.. but .. AAZ is fully mechanically controlled, thus it doesn't have a needle motion sensor?
02-22-2017, 03:24 PM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Yea.. so I must have yanked it of some french TD.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
02-24-2017, 04:12 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
I have a possible solution

074 130 202N

It is a Stanadyne injector for the VW AJT engine .. a 88hp from Transporters. It has the size of the usual TDI VE injector, and it has a needle sensor, and it is 1-stage, which makes the task even easier. Now I have to find where to buy it...
02-24-2017, 09:59 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
(02-24-2017, 09:59 AM)Evgeniy1987 Wrote: I have a possible solution

074 130 202N

It is a Stanadyne injector for the VW AJT engine .. a 88hp from Transporters. It has the size of the usual TDI VE injector, and it has a needle sensor, and it is 1-stage, which makes the task even easier. Now I have to find where to buy it...
I think they are als used in de Audi AEL and Volvo D5252T.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Volvo-V70-D5252T-...OSwtfhYrYJ-
02-25-2017, 05:27 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Thanks, but that is unfortunately not the same thing.

What you show is the same as in my first post, and what I need is this:

[Image: b-u-forsunka-upravlyayushchaya-vw-t-4-2-...05815m.jpg]

[Image: 9226_original.jpg]

[Image: komplekt-forsunok-2-5tdi-65-kvt-volkswag...x600_1.jpg]
02-25-2017, 07:38 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
I will see at my D5252t tomorow. It looks the same aa the one u need.
02-25-2017, 01:35 PM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Thank you!

So, the difference is :

[Image: RebuiltInjectors.jpg]

[Image: komplekt-forsunok-2-5tdi-65-kvt-volkswag...x600_1.jpg]

And that shorter one from Stanadyne is 1-step nozzle.. and short.. and that is what I am looking for Smile
02-26-2017, 06:29 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
How are you going to install them ? These are clamped down, OM606 factory injectors are threaded. And these seem to be designed for hole type nozzle, OM606 uses pintle style nozzle ?
Why do you need needle lift when you have a pressure sensor ??
02-26-2017, 08:33 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
Well, my idea is to combine the OM606 injector with the Transporter injector.. so "the bottom" will be OM, and "the upper part" will contain the needle sensor.

I need the needle sensor to have a cheap solution of how to give a signal to the ECU that the injector is injecting. The pressure sender from my project topic costs around 450 euro, together with the adapter.

My idea is this:

[Image: superinjector.png]
02-26-2017, 09:15 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
I seem to have distilled a list of possible injectors from BOSCH:

0 432 131 631
0 432 131 639
0 432 131 677
0 432 131 706
0 432 131 729
0 432 131 730
0 432 131 731
0 432 131 780
0 432 131 803
0 432 131 804
0 432 131 805
0 432 133 797
0 432 133 799
0 432 133 813
0 432 133 841
0 432 133 842
0 432 133 852
0 432 191 358
0 432 191 505
0 432 193 675

Very difficult to find pictures, but they seem to be from Mercedes Touring car, MAN Truck, etc etc ...

These are injectors that contain the needle lift sensor needle:

2 433 124 364
02-26-2017, 11:07 AM
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RE: Injector with needle motion sensor
I made another list..

[Image: verstuivers_naaldsensor.jpg]

This must be possibilities too
02-26-2017, 11:17 AM
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