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Winmutt's 1995 E300

Winmutt's 1995 E300

 
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winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-25-2016, 02:43 PM #1
Got a new one, I'll update with pics and progress soon. Been working on rear end so far.

Things to do, under way, completed.
(/) Ziecher strut bar
Front brace ala E500 to complete square the ziecher bar starts.
(/) H&R springs from previous go fast car 
(/) Bilstein sport from previous go fast car.
(/) Swapping out subframe complete from old go fast car to new one. All of the rubber was new and frankly was easier to drop rear end than pulling the ASD out. 
(x) DIY camber links from speedway (found that 1/2" bolt setup was a near perfect fit and should avoid the screeching people have reported.
(/) E55 AMG rear sway bar 20mm
(/) SL600 front sway bar 30mm 
(/) SL600 334mm/300mm brake config coming with appropriate m/c - booster as well. 
Getting turbo manifold (probably KKD? Since f-tune is busy from spring sale).
Having 3" turbo back made here. 
Mating my Dieselmeken 125cc pump with HX35.
Not sure what to do about I/C, the one I had was 3" piping and seemed overkill but is sitting waiting for me to use free of charge.
Getting my 87 300E trans rebuilt

Bets on what goes first? NA engine or trans? Both?

There is some minor interior stuff that needs work as well.
This post was last modified: 07-25-2016, 05:11 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-25-2016, 02:43 PM #1

Got a new one, I'll update with pics and progress soon. Been working on rear end so far.

Things to do, under way, completed.
(/) Ziecher strut bar
Front brace ala E500 to complete square the ziecher bar starts.
(/) H&R springs from previous go fast car 
(/) Bilstein sport from previous go fast car.
(/) Swapping out subframe complete from old go fast car to new one. All of the rubber was new and frankly was easier to drop rear end than pulling the ASD out. 
(x) DIY camber links from speedway (found that 1/2" bolt setup was a near perfect fit and should avoid the screeching people have reported.
(/) E55 AMG rear sway bar 20mm
(/) SL600 front sway bar 30mm 
(/) SL600 334mm/300mm brake config coming with appropriate m/c - booster as well. 
Getting turbo manifold (probably KKD? Since f-tune is busy from spring sale).
Having 3" turbo back made here. 
Mating my Dieselmeken 125cc pump with HX35.
Not sure what to do about I/C, the one I had was 3" piping and seemed overkill but is sitting waiting for me to use free of charge.
Getting my 87 300E trans rebuilt

Bets on what goes first? NA engine or trans? Both?

There is some minor interior stuff that needs work as well.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

awsrock
300SDL / HX30 / 90cc

179
07-25-2016, 04:41 PM #2
I am betting on trans. Who is rebuilding the trans? Throw some type f in there, should help with the longevity somewhat. Also check eBay, I got a bunch if Redline IID for cheap if you want to keep it close to original. 

Do you still have that 12cm HX30?
This post was last modified: 07-25-2016, 04:47 PM by awsrock.
awsrock
07-25-2016, 04:41 PM #2

I am betting on trans. Who is rebuilding the trans? Throw some type f in there, should help with the longevity somewhat. Also check eBay, I got a bunch if Redline IID for cheap if you want to keep it close to original. 

Do you still have that 12cm HX30?

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-25-2016, 05:04 PM #3
Ill find someone local. I do have HX30, still on eng, pm me.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-25-2016, 05:04 PM #3

Ill find someone local. I do have HX30, still on eng, pm me.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

EmJay
Holset

299
07-25-2016, 08:45 PM #4
Sounds like it's going to be a fun ride man! Def can't wait for pics! Guess it's time to update your sig!

1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
EmJay
07-25-2016, 08:45 PM #4

Sounds like it's going to be a fun ride man! Def can't wait for pics! Guess it's time to update your sig!


1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now

bigblue
mostly legal

8
07-26-2016, 09:25 AM #5
Sounds like another great 124. Is KKD still offering the 606 manifold? Doesn't seem available.

1999 w210 e300
2006 w211 e320 cdi
2003 VW jetta ALH
2004 VW r32 PD150
bigblue
07-26-2016, 09:25 AM #5

Sounds like another great 124. Is KKD still offering the 606 manifold? Doesn't seem available.


1999 w210 e300
2006 w211 e320 cdi
2003 VW jetta ALH
2004 VW r32 PD150

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-26-2016, 09:31 AM #6
(07-26-2016, 09:25 AM)bigblue Sounds like another great 124. Is KKD still offering the 606 manifold? Doesn't seem available.

I reached out to him here and he has them still.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-26-2016, 09:31 AM #6

(07-26-2016, 09:25 AM)bigblue Sounds like another great 124. Is KKD still offering the 606 manifold? Doesn't seem available.

I reached out to him here and he has them still.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-26-2016, 10:48 PM #7
Booster/mc/calipers came into day. The calipers are huge, the rear calipers are bigger than the front ones that are coming off!

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-26-2016, 10:48 PM #7

Booster/mc/calipers came into day. The calipers are huge, the rear calipers are bigger than the front ones that are coming off!


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Hario'
C300TD Wagon (W202)

894
07-27-2016, 02:37 AM #8
(07-26-2016, 10:48 PM)winmutt Booster/mc/calipers came into day. The calipers are huge, the rear calipers are bigger than the front ones that are coming off!

Sounds good! Do you have any photos yet?




Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]
Hario'
07-27-2016, 02:37 AM #8

(07-26-2016, 10:48 PM)winmutt Booster/mc/calipers came into day. The calipers are huge, the rear calipers are bigger than the front ones that are coming off!

Sounds good! Do you have any photos yet?





Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
07-27-2016, 02:54 PM #9
Check with whipple to see what he thought of the KKD manifold in a W124 (he still had to fab). You could always put that DPUK abomination adapter on your stock 606 manifold while waiting for F-tune to get caught up.

I never said it because I didn't want to be a dick but I thought your IC was a restriction. The '95 will have a thinner condenser giving you more room for a tried and true IC setup behind the grille.
raysorenson
07-27-2016, 02:54 PM #9

Check with whipple to see what he thought of the KKD manifold in a W124 (he still had to fab). You could always put that DPUK abomination adapter on your stock 606 manifold while waiting for F-tune to get caught up.

I never said it because I didn't want to be a dick but I thought your IC was a restriction. The '95 will have a thinner condenser giving you more room for a tried and true IC setup behind the grille.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-29-2016, 07:36 PM #10
(07-27-2016, 02:54 PM)raysorenson Check with whipple to see what he thought of the KKD manifold in a W124 (he still had to fab). You could always put that DPUK abomination adapter on your stock 606 manifold while waiting for F-tune to get caught up.

I never said it because I didn't want to be a dick but I thought your IC was a restriction. The '95 will have a thinner condenser giving you more room for a tried and true IC setup behind the grille.

LOL everyone has opinions! It was a $65 IC so chances are you are right!

What tried and true setup is that?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-29-2016, 07:36 PM #10

(07-27-2016, 02:54 PM)raysorenson Check with whipple to see what he thought of the KKD manifold in a W124 (he still had to fab). You could always put that DPUK abomination adapter on your stock 606 manifold while waiting for F-tune to get caught up.

I never said it because I didn't want to be a dick but I thought your IC was a restriction. The '95 will have a thinner condenser giving you more room for a tried and true IC setup behind the grille.

LOL everyone has opinions! It was a $65 IC so chances are you are right!

What tried and true setup is that?


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
07-31-2016, 09:11 AM #11
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Internal flow area of the charge air channels is too small for the application. The end tanks offered a very short transition from charge tubing IC core. It is a significant restriction. Once restriction gets to a certain point, you're better off with no intercooler at all. If you do the math on this page, you'll see the internal flow area is way, way too small. Factor in the fact that these engine need a lot of air to make their HP and the issue only gets worse. 

The angle of the IC requires the cooling air to change direction to pass through. A behind the grill setup will have the air go straight through the IC and have the benefit of forced air from the cooling fan.
raysorenson
07-31-2016, 09:11 AM #11

[Image: 2013-07-04%2009.36.56.jpg]

Internal flow area of the charge air channels is too small for the application. The end tanks offered a very short transition from charge tubing IC core. It is a significant restriction. Once restriction gets to a certain point, you're better off with no intercooler at all. If you do the math on this page, you'll see the internal flow area is way, way too small. Factor in the fact that these engine need a lot of air to make their HP and the issue only gets worse. 

The angle of the IC requires the cooling air to change direction to pass through. A behind the grill setup will have the air go straight through the IC and have the benefit of forced air from the cooling fan.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
08-01-2016, 07:47 PM #12
Ah I thought you meant the dimensions were well known on a 95.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
08-01-2016, 07:47 PM #12

Ah I thought you meant the dimensions were well known on a 95.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
08-01-2016, 08:12 PM #13
The "tried and true" comment? I meant behind the grille, above the bumper. Get as thick a core as you can fit with decent end tanks. Basically, all the builds that make good power without cutting the front bumper off have a similar A/A IC setup.

I favor the vertical flow intercoolers as opposed the the horizontal flow IC's because the offer more charge air channel area and shorter charge air runs, but that's on-paper talk. It's hard to ignore the success of the horizontal flow setups.
raysorenson
08-01-2016, 08:12 PM #13

The "tried and true" comment? I meant behind the grille, above the bumper. Get as thick a core as you can fit with decent end tanks. Basically, all the builds that make good power without cutting the front bumper off have a similar A/A IC setup.

I favor the vertical flow intercoolers as opposed the the horizontal flow IC's because the offer more charge air channel area and shorter charge air runs, but that's on-paper talk. It's hard to ignore the success of the horizontal flow setups.

 
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