T56
T56
Ok, so recently my w124 300d auto tansmission died. The body has been scrapped and all what is left is the om602 and brakes. Now I was planning on buying a w201 and transplanting the tuned om602 from my w124 to the n/a 2.5 190d that I had my eye on for quite some time. Now my question to you guys is, has anyone ever tried mating the 6 speed t56 transmission to an om6xx platform engine and how would the clearance look like under the 190. I think it would be a tight squeeze and there would have to be alot of reshaping. Also shifter position is another thing that comes to mind. If anyone has any tips on a better setup please feel free to chime in. I was also thinking of other options like the t5 or some bmw tranny but the idea is that the t56 is very similar to the t5 and has an extra gear so i wouldn't mind the economy.
What I do need to know is the complete length of the input shaft of the exact same transmission you are gonna use. There are at least two different lengths but can be even more.
Cheers / F
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
We are in the process of getting the jig done for a complete bellhousing t56 to Mercedes. However we have to much orders from around the globe so the time is limited. As I have said to other guys. Put an order down and we have to find the time to complete the order
What I do need to know is the complete length of the input shaft of the exact same transmission you are gonna use. There are at least two different lengths but can be even more.
Cheers / F
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Problem is with most manuals including the T-5's, they won't last long under the torque of a nasty OM606. The newer T56's should hold up, plus I really want that extra gear. Those trannys are available but expensive too because everyone wants them.
Screw it, maybe I should stick a G-Force GF5R dogbox in the car, lol!
That should be a model of Mercedes comfort & quietness right? Clutchless shifting and straight cut gears!
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87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
mytmousemalibu
05-06-2015, 01:57 PM #3This is desired plan in the future, the T56 behind my 606! I would also need a flywheel solution since a 60X pattern flywheel here in the US is made from unobtanium. I wouldn't mind using a Getrag from a BMW but we didn't have the 530d or others here till we started getting diesel e90's and with a BMW that new, the parts, even from a wrecked car will be insanely expensive. Now I was a BMW Factory Trained mechanic for 10+yrs, I do have sources for other BMW transmissions
Problem is with most manuals including the T-5's, they won't last long under the torque of a nasty OM606. The newer T56's should hold up, plus I really want that extra gear. Those trannys are available but expensive too because everyone wants them.
Screw it, maybe I should stick a G-Force GF5R dogbox in the car, lol!
That should be a model of Mercedes comfort & quietness right? Clutchless shifting and straight cut gears!
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87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
And I know you have a lot of manual m102 2.3-liter engines in the states For a BMW gearbox it's only the ZF gearboxes that are strong. The Getrags are a bit on the weak side. Problem is that they are 1:1 on fifth gear so you need a rear axle with the appropriate gearing. Or you need the e9x or e6x transmissions. Like the gs6-37dz or gs6-53dz they both ZF gearboxes
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
There are the same flywheel bolt pattern on the m102 and m103 engines And I know you have a lot of manual m102 2.3-liter engines in the states
For a BMW gearbox it's only the ZF gearboxes that are strong. The Getrags are a bit on the weak side. Problem is that they are 1:1 on fifth gear so you need a rear axle with the appropriate gearing. Or you need the e9x or e6x transmissions. Like the gs6-37dz or gs6-53dz they both ZF gearboxes
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Right, I don't know why I said Getrag... too much parts cleaner fumes today, lol! Those ZF's are around but not going to be too cheap either. I am still worried about blowing one up too. My 606 will be easily capable of 500+hp when done, I am thinking of keeping it detuned to 450-500hp. I'm still leaning towards a T56. I would rather cut and adapt an MB bellhousing flange to one VS an adapter plate. Still need a flywheel and a mixed breed of clutch parts to make it all happen. I just want to get rid of the automatic and have a strong, reliable manual and the extra gear is a big plus! I have a source for the prop shaft to be built. I should be able to get a strong BMW diff pretty easily. The shafts will be expensive im guessing. For now, I have the hyd. ASD diff from a 300TE 4matic I will stick in. Might try making a electro-hydraulic setup to supply locking pressure to the diff via a switch. If thats even possible. Depends on if/when I get a big BMW diff that can hold some power!
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87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
mytmousemalibu
05-07-2015, 07:02 AM #5We do have plenty M102-3 cars here, but again, 99% of them seem to be automatics. Manual Mercedes anything is hard to come by here with exception to old OM61X cars.
Right, I don't know why I said Getrag... too much parts cleaner fumes today, lol! Those ZF's are around but not going to be too cheap either. I am still worried about blowing one up too. My 606 will be easily capable of 500+hp when done, I am thinking of keeping it detuned to 450-500hp. I'm still leaning towards a T56. I would rather cut and adapt an MB bellhousing flange to one VS an adapter plate. Still need a flywheel and a mixed breed of clutch parts to make it all happen. I just want to get rid of the automatic and have a strong, reliable manual and the extra gear is a big plus! I have a source for the prop shaft to be built. I should be able to get a strong BMW diff pretty easily. The shafts will be expensive im guessing. For now, I have the hyd. ASD diff from a 300TE 4matic I will stick in. Might try making a electro-hydraulic setup to supply locking pressure to the diff via a switch. If thats even possible. Depends on if/when I get a big BMW diff that can hold some power!
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87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
Even the new bellhousing for your T56 Or a re-welded BMW trans...
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
You know I can hook you up with the flywheel/clutch setup Even the new bellhousing for your T56 Or a re-welded BMW trans...
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
_______________________________________________________________
87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
mytmousemalibu
05-08-2015, 04:37 PM #7I'll be keeping you in mind when I reach that point!
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87' 300D daily driver, under the knife for a OM606 superturbo build!
82' 300SD~ Parting Out
93' 300TE~ Parting Out
89' 300E ~ Parting Out
83' 240D~ Project "Cheap Drive"
03' 2500HD Dmax, lots of goodies
88' RX7 10th AE, 13B rotary Track Car Project
73' Datsun 510 wagon~ future project
79' Camaro Z28~ future project
How would one go about using the T56 speed sensor to work correctly with the stock W201/W124 speedometer?
Same question for how to measure and display RPM properly when using a custom flywheel.
Is it doable with the stock gauge cluster, or would I be better off just going with standalone gauges?
Irony.cc
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How would one go about using the T56 speed sensor to work correctly with the stock W201/W124 speedometer?
Same question for how to measure and display RPM properly when using a custom flywheel.
Is it doable with the stock gauge cluster, or would I be better off just going with standalone gauges?
Irony.cc
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