W203 270cdi brakes on W124 XXX
W203 270cdi brakes on W124 XXX
500E and R129 have a LOT more max. load allowed on rear axle than my Coupé has (in paperwork at least). For Mr. TÜV that's a BIG problem! Spacing something (calipers or wheels) = BIG problem is there's no approval or certificate for the part used. Homemade? HEART ATTACK!!!!!!!1111eleven To make R129 brakes legal, I have to make use of complete R129 brake setup; master, calipers & discs front/rear, booster and even brake lines if the split would be different (not in this case, luckily). And then they need to be approved. Which means: handling test. Which means: danger for Mr TÜV engineer. Which equals "expensive". I know it will pass - but my knowledge is stricktly irrelevant... Same with engine... I need to swap over complete W210 drive train, differential (or same ratio), gearbox, engine, oxidation catalyst, engine management etc. etc. to make it legal... And then aerodynamics & weights, tyre sizes of recepoient & donir need to be as close as possible. If I leave out one of those points - it's worst emissions category and I end up paying over 1300€ taxes per year.
We can get a LOT of stuff made legal, but you have to follow very strict guidelines and rules to make it happen with reasonable expenses... Of course you can cheat your way through a approval with a mechanical pump or different differential and manual gearbox - who knows? Mr. TÜV most robably don't... But - should I run over a nun with kittens and the car gets investigated (likely with serious mods registered to the paperwork) I'm not goin to be happy ever again. So... I like to keep it legally legal. I'm too old, my boy racer days are over. Even if that means I have to do some extra work and accept some limitations. And I'm happy by doing that.
I also need paperwork to make 205/55 tyres on 8" wheels legal - that's a problem. Hence my wish for 7.5" wide steels, they fall within the rules for tyres; 7.5" is max. width for a 205 tyre - end of story (for mr TÜV). I will try W140 steels next, W212, W211 and W210 steels don't clear R129 calipers. Of course I can get the 8x16" steels (R129) approved and registered to the papers. But only with at least 215/55 or 225/55 tyres - which are expensive and much wider than needed.
It's complicated in germany. Many, many things are possible, but hardly ever easy to make legal...
And sometimes you get an engineer that's just an asshole or has a bad day and then NOTHING is possible. Nowadays, a TÜV engineer is responsible for all things he approves. "Illegal" mod he passed and I run over a nun and kittens - he's in prison too... Hence many engineers a VERY carefull nowadays!
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05-01-2015, 01:06 PM #6It's all not that easy 500E and R129 have a LOT more max. load allowed on rear axle than my Coupé has (in paperwork at least). For Mr. TÜV that's a BIG problem! Spacing something (calipers or wheels) = BIG problem is there's no approval or certificate for the part used. Homemade? HEART ATTACK!!!!!!!1111eleven To make R129 brakes legal, I have to make use of complete R129 brake setup; master, calipers & discs front/rear, booster and even brake lines if the split would be different (not in this case, luckily). And then they need to be approved. Which means: handling test. Which means: danger for Mr TÜV engineer. Which equals "expensive". I know it will pass - but my knowledge is stricktly irrelevant...
Same with engine... I need to swap over complete W210 drive train, differential (or same ratio), gearbox, engine, oxidation catalyst, engine management etc. etc. to make it legal... And then aerodynamics & weights, tyre sizes of recepoient & donir need to be as close as possible. If I leave out one of those points - it's worst emissions category and I end up paying over 1300€ taxes per year.
We can get a LOT of stuff made legal, but you have to follow very strict guidelines and rules to make it happen with reasonable expenses... Of course you can cheat your way through a approval with a mechanical pump or different differential and manual gearbox - who knows? Mr. TÜV most robably don't... But - should I run over a nun with kittens and the car gets investigated (likely with serious mods registered to the paperwork) I'm not goin to be happy ever again. So... I like to keep it legally legal. I'm too old, my boy racer days are over. Even if that means I have to do some extra work and accept some limitations. And I'm happy by doing that.
I also need paperwork to make 205/55 tyres on 8" wheels legal - that's a problem. Hence my wish for 7.5" wide steels, they fall within the rules for tyres; 7.5" is max. width for a 205 tyre - end of story (for mr TÜV). I will try W140 steels next, W212, W211 and W210 steels don't clear R129 calipers. Of course I can get the 8x16" steels (R129) approved and registered to the papers. But only with at least 215/55 or 225/55 tyres - which are expensive and much wider than needed.
It's complicated in germany. Many, many things are possible, but hardly ever easy to make legal... And sometimes you get an engineer that's just an asshole or has a bad day and then NOTHING is possible. Nowadays, a TÜV engineer is responsible for all things he approves. "Illegal" mod he passed and I run over a nun and kittens - he's in prison too... Hence many engineers a VERY carefull nowadays!
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