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Borgwarner R2S?

Borgwarner R2S?

 
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hooblah
Holset

401
03-04-2015, 06:46 PM #1
I have the opportunity to purchase a borgwarner r2s compound system for a good price. The turbos that it uses are the s250 and s360. I dont know much about the system other than it's capable of enough flow for 650bhp+. Id like some opinions on this setup before I commit to purchasing it.

Here is the spec

SPECIFICATION-
  • Genuine BorgWarner R2S twin compound turbo setup.
  • 71mm (50mm inducer) S250 ETT (extended tip technology) compressor wheel on small turbo rated to 550bhp+
  • 89mm (60mm inducer) S360 ETT (extended tip technology) compressor wheel on large turbo rated to 650bhp+
  • 59mm (50mm exducer) 12 blade quick response turbine wheel on small turbo.
  • 76mm (64mm exducer) 12 blade turbine wheel on large turbo.
  • 4bolt turbine inlet flange, and 4.5in (OD) turbine outlet flange.

  • Heavy duty oil cooled cores with 360deg thrust bearings.
  • Small turbo turbine bypass wastegate complete with actuator.
This post was last modified: 03-04-2015, 06:48 PM by hooblah.
hooblah
03-04-2015, 06:46 PM #1

I have the opportunity to purchase a borgwarner r2s compound system for a good price. The turbos that it uses are the s250 and s360. I dont know much about the system other than it's capable of enough flow for 650bhp+. Id like some opinions on this setup before I commit to purchasing it.

Here is the spec

SPECIFICATION-

  • Genuine BorgWarner R2S twin compound turbo setup.
  • 71mm (50mm inducer) S250 ETT (extended tip technology) compressor wheel on small turbo rated to 550bhp+
  • 89mm (60mm inducer) S360 ETT (extended tip technology) compressor wheel on large turbo rated to 650bhp+
  • 59mm (50mm exducer) 12 blade quick response turbine wheel on small turbo.
  • 76mm (64mm exducer) 12 blade turbine wheel on large turbo.
  • 4bolt turbine inlet flange, and 4.5in (OD) turbine outlet flange.

  • Heavy duty oil cooled cores with 360deg thrust bearings.
  • Small turbo turbine bypass wastegate complete with actuator.

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
03-05-2015, 09:54 AM #2
Are there different sizes to R2s? The only thing I see referenced is a 200hp 2.0l diesel.

There's also a 200hp compound on the 4.5l powerstroke.
raysorenson
03-05-2015, 09:54 AM #2

Are there different sizes to R2s? The only thing I see referenced is a 200hp 2.0l diesel.

There's also a 200hp compound on the 4.5l powerstroke.

TurboTim
Holset

457
03-05-2015, 02:58 PM #3
Yeah I too wanna see pics of this bad boy!

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
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TurboTim
03-05-2015, 02:58 PM #3

Yeah I too wanna see pics of this bad boy!


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

Turbo
Holset

489
03-05-2015, 04:50 PM #4
look more like a compound set up, turbo are very close, what are you going to use it for om606?
This post was last modified: 03-05-2015, 05:14 PM by Turbo.
Turbo
03-05-2015, 04:50 PM #4

look more like a compound set up, turbo are very close, what are you going to use it for om606?

hooblah
Holset

401
03-06-2015, 12:15 PM #6
Yes om606. And edh that's the one! Still trying to figure out how I can make it fit.

I spoke to borgwarner and they wouldn't give out any info. There's no id tag so I can't find out the exact specs either.
hooblah
03-06-2015, 12:15 PM #6

Yes om606. And edh that's the one! Still trying to figure out how I can make it fit.

I spoke to borgwarner and they wouldn't give out any info. There's no id tag so I can't find out the exact specs either.

Turbo
Holset

489
03-06-2015, 12:48 PM #7
the difference in induzeer size area is only 1,44, more like you find in a "compound" the more sequential turbo set up like the BMW535D uses wider ratio bigger then 2, I do not know your preference in performance but I do not think it will work that good. The area ratio I use is about two even if it is much more complicated then that, but what the heck it can be fun to try, just do not get disapointed
Turbo
03-06-2015, 12:48 PM #7

the difference in induzeer size area is only 1,44, more like you find in a "compound" the more sequential turbo set up like the BMW535D uses wider ratio bigger then 2, I do not know your preference in performance but I do not think it will work that good. The area ratio I use is about two even if it is much more complicated then that, but what the heck it can be fun to try, just do not get disapointed

hooblah
Holset

401
03-06-2015, 01:40 PM #8
I want it spooling as quickly as possible. I might give it a miss if its not going to work too well. I'm also struggling to work out if it will fit in the space I have available, it can only be placed in one orientation.
hooblah
03-06-2015, 01:40 PM #8

I want it spooling as quickly as possible. I might give it a miss if its not going to work too well. I'm also struggling to work out if it will fit in the space I have available, it can only be placed in one orientation.

Turbo
Holset

489
03-06-2015, 02:10 PM #9
so at what rpm you want it to spool?
Turbo
03-06-2015, 02:10 PM #9

so at what rpm you want it to spool?

hooblah
Holset

401
03-06-2015, 07:31 PM #10
Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.
hooblah
03-06-2015, 07:31 PM #10

Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

TurboTim
Holset

457
03-06-2015, 09:02 PM #11
Damn who wouldnt want that! Could you imagine the cylinder filling if you could get 30psi at 1500rpm.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
03-06-2015, 09:02 PM #11

Damn who wouldnt want that! Could you imagine the cylinder filling if you could get 30psi at 1500rpm.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

TurboTim
Holset

457
03-06-2015, 09:04 PM #12
I think if you saw that on a graph it was probably something with a much narrower power band like a Cummings or powerstroke.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
03-06-2015, 09:04 PM #12

I think if you saw that on a graph it was probably something with a much narrower power band like a Cummings or powerstroke.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

Turbo
Holset

489
03-07-2015, 03:37 AM #13
(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Like turbotim said a Cummings or powerstroke, that motor is like 6l if I am not mistaken, If the HP stage was a a vnt kind it perhapes should be possible. BMW the old R2S system to 535D was full boost at 1000rpm, work alone to 1500rpm, together with the big one to 2500rpm and then the big one take over, waste gate open at 3500rpm, the big one is about 50mm induzor size, but the area ratio on that turbo is something like over 2, so I do not think so even I do not know what exhaust house and turbine that are used on them

Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

50
Turbo
03-07-2015, 03:37 AM #13

(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Like turbotim said a Cummings or powerstroke, that motor is like 6l if I am not mistaken, If the HP stage was a a vnt kind it perhapes should be possible. BMW the old R2S system to 535D was full boost at 1000rpm, work alone to 1500rpm, together with the big one to 2500rpm and then the big one take over, waste gate open at 3500rpm, the big one is about 50mm induzor size, but the area ratio on that turbo is something like over 2, so I do not think so even I do not know what exhaust house and turbine that are used on them

Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

50

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
03-07-2015, 05:37 PM #14
(03-07-2015, 03:37 AM)Turbo
(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

lol ,
 if saw  them them too , in a caterpillar engine with  rpm peak at 2200 Smile
or a jonh deere !!!
any how u would like to see it working.....
regards

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barrote
03-07-2015, 05:37 PM #14

(03-07-2015, 03:37 AM)Turbo
(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

lol ,
 if saw  them them too , in a caterpillar engine with  rpm peak at 2200 Smile
or a jonh deere !!!
any how u would like to see it working.....
regards


FD,
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Alastair E
Moderator?--Nah...

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03-10-2015, 12:07 PM #15
(03-06-2015, 09:02 PM)TurboTim Damn who wouldnt want that! Could you imagine the cylinder filling if you could get 30psi at 1500rpm.

MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure.....
--As in referenced to a Vacuum......
--Important word here--Absolute....

Sooooo--

This means 1 bar boost pressure, in real-world speak, and what you'll read on boost-gauge...

Not 2 bar boost or 30PSI! (Err, BTW--2 bar is only 27PSI)

--In example given, Only 13.5PSI....(1 bar)--NOT all that hard to make.....

[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]
Alastair E
03-10-2015, 12:07 PM #15

(03-06-2015, 09:02 PM)TurboTim Damn who wouldnt want that! Could you imagine the cylinder filling if you could get 30psi at 1500rpm.

MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure.....
--As in referenced to a Vacuum......
--Important word here--Absolute....

Sooooo--

This means 1 bar boost pressure, in real-world speak, and what you'll read on boost-gauge...

Not 2 bar boost or 30PSI! (Err, BTW--2 bar is only 27PSI)

--In example given, Only 13.5PSI....(1 bar)--NOT all that hard to make.....


[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]

TurboTim
Holset

457
03-10-2015, 12:59 PM #16
Damn who wouldnt want that either!

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
03-10-2015, 12:59 PM #16

Damn who wouldnt want that either!


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

Petar
7.5mm M pump

459
03-10-2015, 03:20 PM #17
actually 1 bar is exactly 14.5037738 psi.
Google is your friend.  Big Grin
Petar
03-10-2015, 03:20 PM #17

actually 1 bar is exactly 14.5037738 psi.
Google is your friend.  Big Grin

Turbo
Holset

489
03-13-2015, 02:14 PM #18
(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

Did you buy it?
Turbo
03-13-2015, 02:14 PM #18

(03-06-2015, 07:31 PM)hooblah Below 3k. 1.5k would be nice. I've seen some R2S graphs showing that it was pushing 2bar MAP at 1400rpm, but it didnt mention what turbos they used.

Did you buy it?

hooblah
Holset

401
03-13-2015, 02:50 PM #19
Err well not quite... a 190e 2.5-16 has come up for sale at a very reasonable price and im hoping to see it on Sunday  Big Grin Tongue
hooblah
03-13-2015, 02:50 PM #19

Err well not quite... a 190e 2.5-16 has come up for sale at a very reasonable price and im hoping to see it on Sunday  Big Grin Tongue

Turbo
Holset

489
03-13-2015, 03:49 PM #20
well the 2,5 190 is a nice looking and it was nice to drive, my father had one many years ago, with a turbo it would be much better Smile
Turbo
03-13-2015, 03:49 PM #20

well the 2,5 190 is a nice looking and it was nice to drive, my father had one many years ago, with a turbo it would be much better Smile

 
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