EGT gauge
EGT gauge
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-GLOWSH...c9&vxp=mtr
I use GlowShift Gauges. Haven't had a problem with any of them. Here's a link to one currently on EBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-GLOWSH...c9&vxp=mtr
Instead, buy a high quality probe from Omega or Labfacility and use that, they're all standard K-thermocouple probes. A quality probe doesn't come apart and ruin your turbine wheel.
I would suggest getting a gauge with peak recording abilities because the highest EGT is the number you're concerned about.
Baldur Gislason
Buy any gauge but throw the probe that comes with the cheap ones in the bin, don't use it if you value your turbo.
Instead, buy a high quality probe from Omega or Labfacility and use that, they're all standard K-thermocouple probes. A quality probe doesn't come apart and ruin your turbine wheel.
I would suggest getting a gauge with peak recording abilities because the highest EGT is the number you're concerned about.
Baldur Gislason
German made VDO gauges are the best looking for our cars IMHO but are pricey.I can find most of the gauges i need used, in good working order for little money EXCEPT EGT
VDO pyrometers are anywhere from 100-350 eur !!!! on ebay.
OT is it possible to make new gauge faces for the China gauges ?? I just love black background with white numbers
If only the China guys would make a nice looking VDO style gauge... Instead they are screaming red colors with dragon gauge signs, blue led illumination etc etc..
German made VDO gauges are the best looking for our cars IMHO but are pricey.I can find most of the gauges i need used, in good working order for little money EXCEPT EGT
VDO pyrometers are anywhere from 100-350 eur !!!! on ebay.
OT is it possible to make new gauge faces for the China gauges ?? I just love black background with white numbers
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(02-19-2015, 05:25 AM)Mr_Robs These are the gauges i went with for my car. Two EGT and one boost gauge from PPE. Quality gauge with a good probe for $170 each (egt). Has a similar analog style to the VDO, very nice quality and LED white lighting.
Looks nice. The thermocouple also looks like a decent construction, that is it has no crimps inside the exhaust. Only remaining question about its quality is how well hermetically sealed it is. A common failure mode for an EGT probe is for water to seep into the probe through the cable causing the probe to blow up when the engine is started.
This is simple to test. just submerse the probe in water for a day and then heat it with a blow torch.
Baldur Gislason
(02-19-2015, 05:25 AM)Mr_Robs These are the gauges i went with for my car. Two EGT and one boost gauge from PPE. Quality gauge with a good probe for $170 each (egt). Has a similar analog style to the VDO, very nice quality and LED white lighting.
Looks nice. The thermocouple also looks like a decent construction, that is it has no crimps inside the exhaust. Only remaining question about its quality is how well hermetically sealed it is. A common failure mode for an EGT probe is for water to seep into the probe through the cable causing the probe to blow up when the engine is started.
This is simple to test. just submerse the probe in water for a day and then heat it with a blow torch.
Baldur Gislason
(02-19-2015, 05:25 AM)Mr_Robs These are the gauges i went with for my car. Two EGT and one boost gauge from PPE. Quality gauge with a good probe for $170 each (egt). Has a similar analog style to the VDO, very nice quality and LED white lighting.
They look real nice, Is $170 though.... Could replace my engine for that here!!
Could I put my Probe in the down pipe just after the exhaust housing? No risk if it fails then? I know its not as accurate but it will still give me a good idea??
(02-19-2015, 05:25 AM)Mr_Robs These are the gauges i went with for my car. Two EGT and one boost gauge from PPE. Quality gauge with a good probe for $170 each (egt). Has a similar analog style to the VDO, very nice quality and LED white lighting.
They look real nice, Is $170 though.... Could replace my engine for that here!!
Could I put my Probe in the down pipe just after the exhaust housing? No risk if it fails then? I know its not as accurate but it will still give me a good idea??
Baldur Gislason
Problem with measuring after the turbine is that you don't know how much the temperature drop across the turbine is. It depends on the turbine efficiency and compressor efficiency. It could be 100 degrees or it could be 300 degrees, it varies depending on boost and air flow.
Baldur Gislason
(02-19-2015, 10:47 AM)baldur Problem with measuring after the turbine is that you don't know how much the temperature drop across the turbine is. It depends on the turbine efficiency and compressor efficiency. It could be 100 degrees or it could be 300 degrees, it varies depending on boost and air flow.
Really as much as 300 degrees?
If it was 100 I could just over read the gauge, but 300 really would be a bit pointless
(02-19-2015, 10:47 AM)baldur Problem with measuring after the turbine is that you don't know how much the temperature drop across the turbine is. It depends on the turbine efficiency and compressor efficiency. It could be 100 degrees or it could be 300 degrees, it varies depending on boost and air flow.
Really as much as 300 degrees?
If it was 100 I could just over read the gauge, but 300 really would be a bit pointless
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Pressure drop means temp drop. I experienced this when after turbo. Though guage was broken since etg would just be higher at redline. Moved to preturbo and guage just seemed to come to life.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
(02-20-2015, 08:05 AM)TurboTim Pressure drop means temp drop. I experienced this when after turbo. Though guage was broken since etg would just be higher at redline. Moved to preturbo and guage just seemed to come to life.
Yes, expansion means a drop in temperature. However without knowing the turbine adiabatic efficiency, turbine shaft power and wastegate flow you cannot calculate the turbine inlet temperature from the downpipe temperature.
Baldur Gislason
(02-20-2015, 08:05 AM)TurboTim Pressure drop means temp drop. I experienced this when after turbo. Though guage was broken since etg would just be higher at redline. Moved to preturbo and guage just seemed to come to life.
Yes, expansion means a drop in temperature. However without knowing the turbine adiabatic efficiency, turbine shaft power and wastegate flow you cannot calculate the turbine inlet temperature from the downpipe temperature.
Baldur Gislason
1984 300d 132k restormod project in the works
1985 300td 300k $600 off road adventure project
1999 land cruiser 235k, 33" mud tires, off road, towing, hauler
Can anyone post the luck they are having with the egt gauges they are using and what the paid for them?
1984 300d 132k restormod project in the works
1985 300td 300k $600 off road adventure project
1999 land cruiser 235k, 33" mud tires, off road, towing, hauler
Kerma sells them:
http://www.kermatdi.com/mcnally-boost-eg...combo-kit/
50harleyrider
03-03-2016, 06:36 AM #15I run a McNally combo needle boost and digital EGT. Also a bit pricey ($250) but it's the best out there. If you want accuracy, avoid the Chinese ones. You get what you pay for. Don't even try to save money on EGT. It and boost are the heart of tuning a diesel. Mount it as close to the turbo (upstream of course) as possible to give the average temp. of all cylinders.
Kerma sells them:
http://www.kermatdi.com/mcnally-boost-eg...combo-kit/
I will have a couple of kits in this week and take some snap shots. We are using this on the w124 I am building.
whipplem104
03-03-2016, 09:36 AM #16Just fyi to you guys. At a couple of egts and pressure sensor gauges etc. You are starting to get close to having a touch screen datalogger. I use PCS D200 loggers and opt out sensors for the project. The base price on the logger is 800.00 and egt sensors with a bung are 125.00 for a single channel and if you opt for more than a couple you can get an 8 channel egt module for 380.00 and then sensors and bungs are 60-70 each. But then you have datalogging, configurable touch screen disiplay. And many options for other sensors. 8 fully configurable analog inputs. 2 speed inputs and 2 3d pwm outputs. There are many other add on options as well. Boost control, GPS, Accelerometer. It is a good bang for buch display and logger though.
I will have a couple of kits in this week and take some snap shots. We are using this on the w124 I am building.
raysorenson
03-03-2016, 10:19 AM #17The Auber Instruments digital gauges are cheap and full featured. Max recall, programmable alarm threshold. They have a good selection of thermocouple probes and bungs too.
1984 300d 132k restormod project in the works
1985 300td 300k $600 off road adventure project
1999 land cruiser 235k, 33" mud tires, off road, towing, hauler
Thanks for the responses, I like the suggestion for the amber instruments gauge. From what I've read so far they seem pretty good. Others mentioned are probably pretty good but I don't feel comfortable pay 150-300 for a gauge on a 500 car.
1984 300d 132k restormod project in the works
1985 300td 300k $600 off road adventure project
1999 land cruiser 235k, 33" mud tires, off road, towing, hauler
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I have glowshift 3in1 and it acts up sometimes, but I unplug it and plug it back in and it's fine. I really like the auber gauges tho
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
A gauge reads the voltage from a thermocouple, and then converts it into digits on a display. We're not talking about rocket appliances here. The components probably only cost $25 wholesale, so a $300 gauge isn't going to be very different functionally than a $60 gauge.
The thermocouple goes matter though-so make sure you get a half decent one. Just eyeball it, if it doesn't look like it belongs in an industrial setting it's the wrong thermocouple.
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-04-2016, 09:58 AM #20I ran the $60 auber EGT gauge with a $15 K type 1/4-20 thermocouple. It was A-OK, rock solid, and I never melted anything.
A gauge reads the voltage from a thermocouple, and then converts it into digits on a display. We're not talking about rocket appliances here. The components probably only cost $25 wholesale, so a $300 gauge isn't going to be very different functionally than a $60 gauge.
The thermocouple goes matter though-so make sure you get a half decent one. Just eyeball it, if it doesn't look like it belongs in an industrial setting it's the wrong thermocouple.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(03-04-2016, 06:51 AM)MFSuper90 I have glowshift 3in1 and it acts up sometimes, but I unplug it and plug it back in and it's fine. I really like the auber gauges tho
Yeah me too, im going to tear it out and smash it as it's a huge pile of shit.
Duncansport
03-04-2016, 10:39 AM #21(03-04-2016, 06:51 AM)MFSuper90 I have glowshift 3in1 and it acts up sometimes, but I unplug it and plug it back in and it's fine. I really like the auber gauges tho
Yeah me too, im going to tear it out and smash it as it's a huge pile of shit.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
![[Image: 133002d1446754620-engine-instrumentation...dms-04.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/133002d1446754620-engine-instrumentation-project-edms-04.jpg)
I have half a dozen different screens but my default one is:
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Of course my most unique one is
![[Image: 133728d1450069282-engine-instrumentation...ckup-1.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/133728d1450069282-engine-instrumentation-project-spmockup-1.jpg)
And to help prevent theft, I have my special "cloaking device"
![[Image: 133040d1447028961-engine-instrumentation...-image.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/133040d1447028961-engine-instrumentation-project-image.jpg)
The I read EGTs (also called TIT) as part of my comprehensive EDMS - Engine Data Monitoring System. I collect data with an Arduino and then send the data over Bluetooth to an Android tablet mounted in the steering wheel horn pad. I monitor fuel pressure, EGT, transmission temperature, intake temperature, engine elapsed time (Hobbs), vacuum, boost, oil temperature, engine bay temperature and volts (and soon, amps).
I have half a dozen different screens but my default one is:
Of course my most unique one is
And to help prevent theft, I have my special "cloaking device"
What about aircraft EGT gauges? Can I buy a decent thermocouple, and then connect them to aircraft gauges? I love their look, and despise the flashy, in your face EGT ebay gauges.
Something like this
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OFYAAOSwUu...-l1600.jpg
Perhaps not with EGT that high, but the looks.
ebay link if anyone is curious:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alcor-Aircraft-E...UF&vxp=mtr
What brand of thermocouple do you guys recommend then? From what I understand here, a good quality thermocouple is more important than a fleabay gauge?
What about aircraft EGT gauges? Can I buy a decent thermocouple, and then connect them to aircraft gauges? I love their look, and despise the flashy, in your face EGT ebay gauges.
Something like this
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OFYAAOSwUu...-l1600.jpg
Perhaps not with EGT that high, but the looks.
ebay link if anyone is curious:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alcor-Aircraft-E...UF&vxp=mtr
(03-04-2016, 12:40 PM)mach4 The I read EGTs (also called TIT) as part of my comprehensive EDMS - Engine Data Monitoring System. I collect data with an Arduino and then send the data over Bluetooth to an Android tablet mounted in the steering wheel horn pad. I monitor fuel pressure, EGT, transmission temperature, intake temperature, engine elapsed time (Hobbs), vacuum, boost, oil temperature, engine bay temperature and volts (and soon, amps).
I have half a dozen different screens but my default one is:
Of course my most unique one is
And to help prevent theft, I have my special "cloaking device"
This is so badass, I wish I knew enough to do all of this.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(03-04-2016, 12:40 PM)mach4 The I read EGTs (also called TIT) as part of my comprehensive EDMS - Engine Data Monitoring System. I collect data with an Arduino and then send the data over Bluetooth to an Android tablet mounted in the steering wheel horn pad. I monitor fuel pressure, EGT, transmission temperature, intake temperature, engine elapsed time (Hobbs), vacuum, boost, oil temperature, engine bay temperature and volts (and soon, amps).
I have half a dozen different screens but my default one is:
Of course my most unique one is
And to help prevent theft, I have my special "cloaking device"
This is so badass, I wish I knew enough to do all of this.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(03-04-2016, 05:48 PM)Deplore What brand of thermocouple do you guys recommend then? From what I understand here, a good quality thermocouple is more important than a fleabay gauge?
What about aircraft EGT gauges? Can I buy a decent thermocouple, and then connect them to aircraft gauges? I love their look, and despise the flashy, in your face EGT ebay gauges.
The standard thermocouple for EGT gauges is a k-type thermocouple. You can mix and match pretty much at will. As an example, I'm using a cheap Chinese thermocouple, a thermocouple amp from Adafruit and reading the voltage from that with the Arduino and doing the conversion from there.
(03-04-2016, 05:48 PM)Deplore What brand of thermocouple do you guys recommend then? From what I understand here, a good quality thermocouple is more important than a fleabay gauge?
What about aircraft EGT gauges? Can I buy a decent thermocouple, and then connect them to aircraft gauges? I love their look, and despise the flashy, in your face EGT ebay gauges.
The standard thermocouple for EGT gauges is a k-type thermocouple. You can mix and match pretty much at will. As an example, I'm using a cheap Chinese thermocouple, a thermocouple amp from Adafruit and reading the voltage from that with the Arduino and doing the conversion from there.
I see some gauge have 4 connectors. I assume two of them is power/ground, the other two is for the two wire from the k type thermocoupler.
Some aircraft gauges, on other hand, have 3 connectors. Some have 5. Very few have the required 4.
Any EGT gauge can use K type? aircraft EGT gauge included?
I see some gauge have 4 connectors. I assume two of them is power/ground, the other two is for the two wire from the k type thermocoupler.
Some aircraft gauges, on other hand, have 3 connectors. Some have 5. Very few have the required 4.
nothing like try...
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aircraft thermocouples imployed by "turbomeca" "rols royce" " wiliams international" are suitable to most of this chineze gauges, weather to say K type. They do have a conformization box (circuitry)!!! thats why sometimes u can see the more than 2 wires... and many aplications they must offer insulation to electromagnetic inductance so need to be shilded thence the 3rd conector wich is just grownd...
nothing like try...
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DiseaselWeasel
03-05-2016, 12:29 PM #30Is a gauge that reads 1000°C enough for a souped-up diesel engine?
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-05-2016, 03:03 PM #31Well, aluminium melts at like 700*C so I'd say yes
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(03-05-2016, 12:29 PM)DiseaselWeasel Is a gauge that reads 1000°C enough for a souped-up diesel engine?
Oh ya, that's plenty
1984 300d 132k restormod project in the works
1985 300td 300k $600 off road adventure project
1999 land cruiser 235k, 33" mud tires, off road, towing, hauler
I say that, but my uncle ran his 354 Perkins pulling tractor at 1800F for 20 years and only melted Pistons once, every engine is different
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
If any engine gets over 1800F you can pretty much kiss your Pistons goodbye.
I say that, but my uncle ran his 354 Perkins pulling tractor at 1800F for 20 years and only melted Pistons once, every engine is different
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GRM-EGT-01...warning%29
And I have MGL Avionics gauge in my Ford Cortina, it's four channel EGT/CHT gauge, should be accurate and easy to use. Also avaible as 12channel version too.
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/infinity.html#TC-1
I bought speedhut egt gauge for my dailydriver upgrade, does someone have experience with it? Reason why is I have 3 other speedhut gauges already, so all are the same kind.
http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GRM-EGT-01...warning%29
And I have MGL Avionics gauge in my Ford Cortina, it's four channel EGT/CHT gauge, should be accurate and easy to use. Also avaible as 12channel version too.
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/infinity.html#TC-1
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