1986 2.3-16 "Andy"
1986 2.3-16 "Andy"
Anyways I've been pondering lately about putting a 602 turbo under the hood of my 16v as my motor setup has been having issues as of late. I have a few things I can try to address my issues, but I don't want to put in a lot of $$$ and have potential mechanical issues as well.
I am wanting to keep this car as it was a gift from a dear friend, but I'm not attached to the history of this car. So selling and getting a factory diesel to keep a stockish 16v on the road is not going to happen.
Anyways I was wanting to compile a list of what I would need to do this motor swap. I am hoping to keep the SLS system as it works well. The transmission shifts well (5spd dogleg) so I won't need to look for one.
Would I be able to use the 16v radiator? Which mounts would I be using, the 602 or the 16v? How would I be getting a tach signal to my tach (minor issue for me)
The rest I can handle, don't forget I got one running in a Mazda before. I miss that thing...
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Hey guys, long time no post. Recently I've been prepping my truck to make it road legal, not doing much with my 16v. Couldn't even find my original thread.
Anyways I've been pondering lately about putting a 602 turbo under the hood of my 16v as my motor setup has been having issues as of late. I have a few things I can try to address my issues, but I don't want to put in a lot of $$$ and have potential mechanical issues as well.
I am wanting to keep this car as it was a gift from a dear friend, but I'm not attached to the history of this car. So selling and getting a factory diesel to keep a stockish 16v on the road is not going to happen.
Anyways I was wanting to compile a list of what I would need to do this motor swap. I am hoping to keep the SLS system as it works well. The transmission shifts well (5spd dogleg) so I won't need to look for one.
Would I be able to use the 16v radiator? Which mounts would I be using, the 602 or the 16v? How would I be getting a tach signal to my tach (minor issue for me)
The rest I can handle, don't forget I got one running in a Mazda before. I miss that thing...
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
DiseaselWeasel
01-30-2015, 04:40 AM #2Here you go: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...-Andy-Rice
(01-29-2015, 11:14 PM)EmJay I am hoping to keep the SLS system as it works well.
You can get a combo SLS/PS pump from a w124 TE/TD and it should bolt onto the 602 no problem
Would I be able to use the 16v radiator? Which mounts would I be using, the 602 or the 16v? How would I be getting a tach signal to my tach (minor issue for me)
Radiator might be big enough? Try it, if it runs too hot get one from a 190D 2.5
If the 602 mounts are from a W201 they should work, w124 mounts might even work but I'm not sure? You can check part numbers in the EPC for mercedes and that will tell you what motor mount arms to use.
I'm not sure where the tach pickup is on a 16v? If it reads off the flywheel tabs you're probably fine since that wouldn't be changed. My 603 tach pickup reads the starter ring gear teeth for signal.
Hoepfully this helps out some? I can say from experience that a 2.5turbo with a 5spd is fun to drive. With the LSD from the 16v car it should be even more fun.
EPC Link if you don't have it:
http://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp
Free to register for North America. You have to renew once a year but there's no cost involved. It's a nice resource to have. You can even pull up the MBZ Data cards for a specific VIN so you can find color codes and options that were ordered for the car.
'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
(01-29-2015, 11:14 PM)EmJay I am hoping to keep the SLS system as it works well.
You can get a combo SLS/PS pump from a w124 TE/TD and it should bolt onto the 602 no problem
Would I be able to use the 16v radiator? Which mounts would I be using, the 602 or the 16v? How would I be getting a tach signal to my tach (minor issue for me)
Radiator might be big enough? Try it, if it runs too hot get one from a 190D 2.5
If the 602 mounts are from a W201 they should work, w124 mounts might even work but I'm not sure? You can check part numbers in the EPC for mercedes and that will tell you what motor mount arms to use.
I'm not sure where the tach pickup is on a 16v? If it reads off the flywheel tabs you're probably fine since that wouldn't be changed. My 603 tach pickup reads the starter ring gear teeth for signal.
Hoepfully this helps out some? I can say from experience that a 2.5turbo with a 5spd is fun to drive. With the LSD from the 16v car it should be even more fun.
EPC Link if you don't have it:
http://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp
Free to register for North America. You have to renew once a year but there's no cost involved. It's a nice resource to have. You can even pull up the MBZ Data cards for a specific VIN so you can find color codes and options that were ordered for the car.
'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Excellent to hear, I figured as much for some. I do know that the 16v radiator is bigger than the 8v. Now to find some threads on swapping it in. Maybe a 603 will fit as well?
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Why not stuff a 606 in it?!My 603 has a late head, new lifters, late injectors/prechambers and runs great. But my wife's '93 602 is just so smooth and quiet compared to my 603. I bet her injection pump also has the later and better camshaft in it too.
raysorenson
02-01-2015, 05:37 PM #7I recommend a late 602. 3.0l 603 engines are hard to find with later head castings and none were imported with the later (much better) prechambers, most also have the early lifters that get noisy. There are lots of late 2.5l engines around with all the good updates installed on the assembly line. The 602 also also has less weight and is shorter. You'll have an easier time installing an intercooler with a 602. Late 602's came with the better vacuum pump and gasket. Improved head gasket.
My 603 has a late head, new lifters, late injectors/prechambers and runs great. But my wife's '93 602 is just so smooth and quiet compared to my 603. I bet her injection pump also has the later and better camshaft in it too.
A 606, that'd be too much work.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
I might be able to find a 602 around me, to be honest it's my preferred choice. Winmutt lives near me though and has a way of finding 603s. So its a matter of availability and swapablity.
A 606, that'd be too much work.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
602 and 603 is old and not preferably.
And 605/606 will be a much better choice
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
606 man !
602 and 603 is old and not preferably.
And 605/606 will be a much better choice
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
Its been for sale a while but I think the price is fair.
Not mine so no guarantees.
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
I can help you source a 606 in Pennsylvania for $800.
Its been for sale a while but I think the price is fair.
Not mine so no guarantees.
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
I might go with a 605, if I can find one at a good price. But with that I would also need a 602 pump and it would need to be modified, right?
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Where are you going to source them from for how much?
If they're cheap enough I might want one too.
Unless, you're not in Roswell, NM and are really from an advanced civilization!
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
I don't ever see 602 or 605 for sale in the USA.
Where are you going to source them from for how much?
If they're cheap enough I might want one too.
Unless, you're not in Roswell, NM and are really from an advanced civilization!
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
I have some connections in the used automobile field. While hard I can find a 602. The 605 would be much harder to source and probably cost more.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Looks like 6 seconds to 60 in a 124 with slipping auto trans. Not too bad for 602.
raysorenson
02-05-2015, 03:26 PM #17Ahem...
Looks like 6 seconds to 60 in a 124 with slipping auto trans. Not too bad for 602.
I know that there is a guy either on the rev or on Benzworld that has a 602 powered 16v.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Very nice, yeah a 602 is all I'm really after powerwise. A 603/605/606 is if I get a better deal on one, a second string choice really. But I'm not against one either.
I know that there is a guy either on the rev or on Benzworld that has a 602 powered 16v.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Sjevsspeed.nl
02-05-2015, 05:27 PM #19i can get al om60x easy here in europe, also could source for you, just dont know if the shipping cost is going to make it worth for you
'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
I think a 6cyl would add more weight than you need. Definitely do a 602 or 605, you'll fit it in the car a lot easier and have less weight up front.
'98 E300 Turbo "Juliette" - Brabus wheels and almost all the options a w210 could have
2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB Duramax with about 400-500 rwhp depending on the tune I use
1983 300D Silver Exterior/Black inside - Sold and will be missed, may we never meet in a PnP.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
That is what I'm thinking. I was pricing out 602s in my area, feeling really stupid for not pulling the one out from my former project. I mean, I wanted to but time and resources weren't on my side at the time. I can find NA 602s for a 190 at a decent price. Might have to add a turbo later if I do go this route. At the moment I'm currently working on this in the garage. Trying to figure out why my MS isn't receiving an o2 signal. 3 different sensors and no change, so probably going to need to rerun some new wires.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
http://www.mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopi...29&t=45776
So it's been done! Of course I'd keep the LSD and not have an open diff.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
Found this today:
http://www.mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopi...29&t=45776
So it's been done! Of course I'd keep the LSD and not have an open diff.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
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