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blankman812
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09-18-2014, 07:24 AM #1
Hello guys and if there are gals im new to the Mercedes world well I have had my car for about a year but new ti the mods I just got a truck so I am currently mid project with the car it is an 82 240d now I have read that its not a smart idea to put a charger on them but I never said I was smart now im looking for some tips and parts to further my build and the least amount of disapproval as possible this is something I love I am a huge diesel fan and I just want to make my car more powerful and obnoxious right now I have made a turbo mani and intake I have it all plumbed up and functional but I need more fuel and the timing jumped I am just looking for some input tips and assistance finding parts thanks for reading.


...p.s. it has an hx35 on it lol Smile
blankman812
09-18-2014, 07:24 AM #1

Hello guys and if there are gals im new to the Mercedes world well I have had my car for about a year but new ti the mods I just got a truck so I am currently mid project with the car it is an 82 240d now I have read that its not a smart idea to put a charger on them but I never said I was smart now im looking for some tips and parts to further my build and the least amount of disapproval as possible this is something I love I am a huge diesel fan and I just want to make my car more powerful and obnoxious right now I have made a turbo mani and intake I have it all plumbed up and functional but I need more fuel and the timing jumped I am just looking for some input tips and assistance finding parts thanks for reading.


...p.s. it has an hx35 on it lol Smile

Stevo-trendy
K26-2

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09-18-2014, 08:00 AM #2
These 240d engines the same they fitted into tho t1 vans ? Came in a 4 & 5 cylinder engine as well didn't they ?
Stevo-trendy
09-18-2014, 08:00 AM #2

These 240d engines the same they fitted into tho t1 vans ? Came in a 4 & 5 cylinder engine as well didn't they ?

blankman812
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09-18-2014, 08:40 AM #3
Im honestly not sure man
blankman812
09-18-2014, 08:40 AM #3

Im honestly not sure man

Petar
7.5mm M pump

459
09-18-2014, 01:30 PM #4
(09-18-2014, 07:24 AM)blankman812 Hello guys and if there are gals im new to the Mercedes world well I have had my car for about a year but new ti the mods I just got a truck so I am currently mid project with the car it is an 82 240d now I have read that its not a smart idea to put a charger on them but I never said I was smart now im looking for some tips and parts to further my build and the least amount of disapproval as possible this is something I love I am a huge diesel fan and I just want to make my car more powerful and obnoxious right now I have made a turbo mani and intake I have it all plumbed up and functional but I need more fuel and the timing jumped I am just looking for some input tips and assistance finding parts thanks for reading.


...p.s. it has an hx35 on it lol Smile

Just install an EGT gauge and keep an eye on your EGTs. These engines have no oil cooling nozzles for the pistons so try to keep you EGTs below 550 *C (1000*F)

hx35 ??? That thing will take forever to spool. Far too big for your power level

You won't be getting more than 110 HP , not with the stock pump.

(09-18-2014, 08:00 AM)Stevo-trendy These 240d engines the same they fitted into tho t1 vans ? Came in a 4 & 5 cylinder engine as well didn't they ?

Yes OM616 2.4D I4 72 HP and OM617 3.0D I5 88HP. There are a couple of differences between car and van versions (different oil filter housing, intake manifold, no PS pump on the van versions etc.)
Petar
09-18-2014, 01:30 PM #4

(09-18-2014, 07:24 AM)blankman812 Hello guys and if there are gals im new to the Mercedes world well I have had my car for about a year but new ti the mods I just got a truck so I am currently mid project with the car it is an 82 240d now I have read that its not a smart idea to put a charger on them but I never said I was smart now im looking for some tips and parts to further my build and the least amount of disapproval as possible this is something I love I am a huge diesel fan and I just want to make my car more powerful and obnoxious right now I have made a turbo mani and intake I have it all plumbed up and functional but I need more fuel and the timing jumped I am just looking for some input tips and assistance finding parts thanks for reading.


...p.s. it has an hx35 on it lol Smile

Just install an EGT gauge and keep an eye on your EGTs. These engines have no oil cooling nozzles for the pistons so try to keep you EGTs below 550 *C (1000*F)

hx35 ??? That thing will take forever to spool. Far too big for your power level

You won't be getting more than 110 HP , not with the stock pump.

(09-18-2014, 08:00 AM)Stevo-trendy These 240d engines the same they fitted into tho t1 vans ? Came in a 4 & 5 cylinder engine as well didn't they ?

Yes OM616 2.4D I4 72 HP and OM617 3.0D I5 88HP. There are a couple of differences between car and van versions (different oil filter housing, intake manifold, no PS pump on the van versions etc.)

blankman812
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09-18-2014, 02:44 PM #5
I have a purpose for it im wondering about max psi it can take and I don't expect major horse power it was a free turbo and Where can I locate larger injectors or nozzles for the car
blankman812
09-18-2014, 02:44 PM #5

I have a purpose for it im wondering about max psi it can take and I don't expect major horse power it was a free turbo and Where can I locate larger injectors or nozzles for the car

Edian727
Dreams of 8mm 617

127
09-18-2014, 03:44 PM #6
Dnosd315 nozzles are the biggest you can get for these injectors as far as i know. Great to see more turbo 240's being done. i dont think you'll have an issue with longevity if you treat it nice and watch your egt. btw i dont think piston oiling is necessary at all. sure its nice but i can name a huge list of oem and aftermarket turbo engines that dont have it. in fact the only 2 i can think of is om617 and 4g63t, but im sure there are more.

the real power will come from changing elements in your IP. if you have a MW good luck, there has been no real proven elements for it, though dieselmeken has been working on 8mm, and theres some 10mm volvos one that fit. if you have a M pump there are many elements available.

btw, here a great write up on our pumps, done by OM616
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QkAv...y=CJXuhs0I
Edian727
09-18-2014, 03:44 PM #6

Dnosd315 nozzles are the biggest you can get for these injectors as far as i know. Great to see more turbo 240's being done. i dont think you'll have an issue with longevity if you treat it nice and watch your egt. btw i dont think piston oiling is necessary at all. sure its nice but i can name a huge list of oem and aftermarket turbo engines that dont have it. in fact the only 2 i can think of is om617 and 4g63t, but im sure there are more.

the real power will come from changing elements in your IP. if you have a MW good luck, there has been no real proven elements for it, though dieselmeken has been working on 8mm, and theres some 10mm volvos one that fit. if you have a M pump there are many elements available.

btw, here a great write up on our pumps, done by OM616
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QkAv...y=CJXuhs0I

blankman812
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09-18-2014, 08:13 PM #7
Thanks for the info do you know where I can locate the injectors and how do I determine the pump style is it an obvious thing and are the elements something you can change on your own or are they done in a shop
blankman812
09-18-2014, 08:13 PM #7

Thanks for the info do you know where I can locate the injectors and how do I determine the pump style is it an obvious thing and are the elements something you can change on your own or are they done in a shop

Edian727
Dreams of 8mm 617

127
09-18-2014, 10:54 PM #8
I found nozzles on ebay, but from my understanding Greazzer on here has some in injectors and ready to go. elements have to be balanced at a shop. theres a tag on your pump that will tell you, there will be m or mw in the number
Edian727
09-18-2014, 10:54 PM #8

I found nozzles on ebay, but from my understanding Greazzer on here has some in injectors and ready to go. elements have to be balanced at a shop. theres a tag on your pump that will tell you, there will be m or mw in the number

blankman812
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09-19-2014, 06:21 AM #9
Thank you for the information I am gonna see if I can get ahold of this gut to get some injectors and find out more info on the elements
blankman812
09-19-2014, 06:21 AM #9

Thank you for the information I am gonna see if I can get ahold of this gut to get some injectors and find out more info on the elements

yankneck696
Build it so strong & blow it up good !!!

395
09-19-2014, 07:32 PM #10
There is no way at all that you are going to spool the HX35. It just will not happen. I had an IHI turbo on my 240D engine from a Ford Probe.

Ed
yankneck696
09-19-2014, 07:32 PM #10

There is no way at all that you are going to spool the HX35. It just will not happen. I had an IHI turbo on my 240D engine from a Ford Probe.

Ed

blankman812
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09-21-2014, 09:23 AM #11
well I drove the car last night for the first time while putting out a whopping 3 psi and blowing oil all over the car I had bad oil seals I am now thinking of building a nice compound setup mainly just because I want some function out of the car and it will look ratty mind you I am driving a car that is completely rusted from the window line down no hood and slammed to the ground this is a euro trash ride im not looking to build a drag car or go all crazy its just a car to show off when im feeling ratty
blankman812
09-21-2014, 09:23 AM #11

well I drove the car last night for the first time while putting out a whopping 3 psi and blowing oil all over the car I had bad oil seals I am now thinking of building a nice compound setup mainly just because I want some function out of the car and it will look ratty mind you I am driving a car that is completely rusted from the window line down no hood and slammed to the ground this is a euro trash ride im not looking to build a drag car or go all crazy its just a car to show off when im feeling ratty

Petar
7.5mm M pump

459
09-21-2014, 12:52 PM #12
Just get a properly sized single turbo and turn up the fuel. At that power level a single turbo will spool up nicely while still having good power.
Petar
09-21-2014, 12:52 PM #12

Just get a properly sized single turbo and turn up the fuel. At that power level a single turbo will spool up nicely while still having good power.

bricktron
'77 240D

174
09-23-2014, 12:55 AM #13
you will have no problem trading the hx35 for a garrett! hey!


english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




bricktron
09-23-2014, 12:55 AM #13

you will have no problem trading the hx35 for a garrett! hey!



english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




Edian727
Dreams of 8mm 617

127
09-28-2014, 12:56 PM #14
what is a proper size turbo for a 240?
Edian727
09-28-2014, 12:56 PM #14

what is a proper size turbo for a 240?

blankman812
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01-31-2015, 07:17 PM #15
I can't find any of these nozzels on eBay can anyone help me I need some larger injectors
blankman812
01-31-2015, 07:17 PM #15

I can't find any of these nozzels on eBay can anyone help me I need some larger injectors

yankneck696
Build it so strong & blow it up good !!!

395
02-01-2015, 09:17 AM #16
I had a SMALL turbo from a Ford Probe. It was an IHI, but can't remember all the numbers. With some pump tweaking, it ran respectably in a 6WD Samurai. In all actuality, it ran surprisingly well.

Ed
yankneck696
02-01-2015, 09:17 AM #16

I had a SMALL turbo from a Ford Probe. It was an IHI, but can't remember all the numbers. With some pump tweaking, it ran respectably in a 6WD Samurai. In all actuality, it ran surprisingly well.

Ed

OM616
10mm MW

572
02-01-2015, 12:27 PM #17
I really liked the GT2056 on my tuned up 616. I was able to set the vanes in a fixed position and got more boost then EMP and it would max out at around 20PSI boost with 5.5mm elements and the governor tuned, and I started getting boost right off idle, it really brought the thing to life.

I am going to upgrade to a GT2256 for the 10mm elements, if I can ever get to building the pump calibration machine lol…


I would recommend the GT2056 But!!! you have to run a oil pressure regulator to it or you will blow the seals!!! The max supply pressure spec I saw was 30 or 40 PSI, and the 61X engines will produce 100+PSI at times..
OM616
02-01-2015, 12:27 PM #17

I really liked the GT2056 on my tuned up 616. I was able to set the vanes in a fixed position and got more boost then EMP and it would max out at around 20PSI boost with 5.5mm elements and the governor tuned, and I started getting boost right off idle, it really brought the thing to life.

I am going to upgrade to a GT2256 for the 10mm elements, if I can ever get to building the pump calibration machine lol…


I would recommend the GT2056 But!!! you have to run a oil pressure regulator to it or you will blow the seals!!! The max supply pressure spec I saw was 30 or 40 PSI, and the 61X engines will produce 100+PSI at times..

blankman812
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02-01-2015, 09:29 PM #18
I checked today its an mw pump and I need more fuel I can't find the nozzels and its almost spring I'm ready to get her out of the garage and start breaking necks
blankman812
02-01-2015, 09:29 PM #18

I checked today its an mw pump and I need more fuel I can't find the nozzels and its almost spring I'm ready to get her out of the garage and start breaking necks

blankman812
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01-20-2016, 09:08 AM #19
Hey guys it's been a long time time for an update I am about to send my mw pump to a local shop and he said he can do some work he is gonna try elements and check on some other things he said I'm looking at 500-900$ depending on the work that is balanced and all so when I get it back I will give the full specs and changes and the power increase
blankman812
01-20-2016, 09:08 AM #19

Hey guys it's been a long time time for an update I am about to send my mw pump to a local shop and he said he can do some work he is gonna try elements and check on some other things he said I'm looking at 500-900$ depending on the work that is balanced and all so when I get it back I will give the full specs and changes and the power increase

 
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