anybody know anything about the ford 2.0 zetec?
anybody know anything about the ford 2.0 zetec?
The problem its exhibiting is an intermittent bogging, no power at all. Wont die, but zero power, bad idle, and its got a check engine light on. Gonna have the codes pulled.
Then it will pop back to life with zero problems. The bogging is random, not related to load as far as i can tell
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Picked up a litte beater 02 focus with some issues in trade, and its got sensors and shit. Weird stuff
The problem its exhibiting is an intermittent bogging, no power at all. Wont die, but zero power, bad idle, and its got a check engine light on. Gonna have the codes pulled.
Then it will pop back to life with zero problems. The bogging is random, not related to load as far as i can tell
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Block off the EGR temporarily
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
09-11-2014, 02:00 PM #3Buy an ultragauge-they're ~$60, give live readouts, and can pull codes.
Block off the EGR temporarily
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
PO tells me the DPFE might be bad, which is why he did that. He said it started running really bad and he blocked off this vac tube and it ran way better. Now it only occasionally bogs down.
Also there is an emissions communication problem. Evidently the emissions computor cannot read live data from the vehicle during the state inspection. Gonna see what happens
Good tip on the hood leaking washer fittings, ive got a few body panels to replace due to rust and the hood is one of em, so i can check everythinf then
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Looks like EGR vac tube is already blocked off with a bic pen. Ill have to grab that ultra gauge, good idea
PO tells me the DPFE might be bad, which is why he did that. He said it started running really bad and he blocked off this vac tube and it ran way better. Now it only occasionally bogs down.
Also there is an emissions communication problem. Evidently the emissions computor cannot read live data from the vehicle during the state inspection. Gonna see what happens
Good tip on the hood leaking washer fittings, ive got a few body panels to replace due to rust and the hood is one of em, so i can check everythinf then
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-12-2014, 02:12 PM)mario Is she diesel or petrol
Oh how i wish it were diesel.
Unfortunately no diesel variants sold in the US, which is the greatest waste.
Its the 2.0 gas 16 valve
EDIT-
I wonder how hard it would be to import just a diesel motor for this thing.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-12-2014, 02:12 PM)mario Is she diesel or petrol
Oh how i wish it were diesel.
Unfortunately no diesel variants sold in the US, which is the greatest waste.
Its the 2.0 gas 16 valve
EDIT-
I wonder how hard it would be to import just a diesel motor for this thing.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
PO352 ignition coil B power circuit malfunction
And PO401 egr flow insufficient
Never pulled codes on something this new, pretty good leads on where to start. Time to do research
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Here are the codes-
PO352 ignition coil B power circuit malfunction
And PO401 egr flow insufficient
Never pulled codes on something this new, pretty good leads on where to start. Time to do research
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
apparently all the ones in the US were silver too because thats all I saw.
I bet if you repainted it and put rims on it, it would run fine.
Purplecomputer
09-12-2014, 08:11 PM #10friend had a focus.
apparently all the ones in the US were silver too because thats all I saw.
I bet if you repainted it and put rims on it, it would run fine.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
There definitely are a shitload of silver ones. This one is black and already has some decent rims. Im halfway there already!
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-12-2014, 08:29 PM)JB3 There definitely are a shitload of silver ones. This one is black and already has some decent rims. Im halfway there already!
so what are you complaining about?!?!?! The cars already fixed!
time to race that thing
Purplecomputer
09-19-2014, 08:32 AM #12(09-12-2014, 08:29 PM)JB3 There definitely are a shitload of silver ones. This one is black and already has some decent rims. Im halfway there already!
so what are you complaining about?!?!?! The cars already fixed!
time to race that thing
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
You can always try www.NewCougar.org they have a zetec section there.
1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase** Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
(09-19-2014, 08:32 AM)Purplecomputer(09-12-2014, 08:29 PM)JB3 There definitely are a shitload of silver ones. This one is black and already has some decent rims. Im halfway there already!
so what are you complaining about?!?!?! The cars already fixed!
time to race that thing
If i want an inspection sticker, check engine lights have to be gone. Otherwise id be racing around as we speak
(09-19-2014, 04:09 PM)EmJay You can always try www.NewCougar.org they have a zetec section there.
Lots of online info definitely, also ive been perusing the focusfanatics board.
My intention is to fix the issues, get a sticker and sell this thing probably soon
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-19-2014, 08:32 AM)Purplecomputer(09-12-2014, 08:29 PM)JB3 There definitely are a shitload of silver ones. This one is black and already has some decent rims. Im halfway there already!
so what are you complaining about?!?!?! The cars already fixed!
time to race that thing
If i want an inspection sticker, check engine lights have to be gone. Otherwise id be racing around as we speak
(09-19-2014, 04:09 PM)EmJay You can always try www.NewCougar.org they have a zetec section there.
Lots of online info definitely, also ive been perusing the focusfanatics board.
My intention is to fix the issues, get a sticker and sell this thing probably soon
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
raysorenson
09-22-2014, 02:45 PM #16I am a Ford senior master tech at one of the 3 largest dealers in the Atlanta region. I know my Foci.
(09-22-2014, 02:45 PM)raysorenson I am a Ford senior master tech at one of the 3 largest dealers in the Atlanta region. I know my Foci.
Big mistake telling me that.
What do you know about gen 2 1999 exploder PO171 and PO174 banks too lean codes?
Engine is the Sohv 4.0 quad timing chain V6. Codes are combined with extremely bad fuel economy, but runs well and idles well otherwise.
Checked for vacuum leaks and found none, was headed towards intake manifold gaskets from what ive read.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-22-2014, 02:45 PM)raysorenson I am a Ford senior master tech at one of the 3 largest dealers in the Atlanta region. I know my Foci.
Big mistake telling me that.
What do you know about gen 2 1999 exploder PO171 and PO174 banks too lean codes?
Engine is the Sohv 4.0 quad timing chain V6. Codes are combined with extremely bad fuel economy, but runs well and idles well otherwise.
Checked for vacuum leaks and found none, was headed towards intake manifold gaskets from what ive read.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
09-23-2014, 06:52 AM #18Fucking Ferd DPFE sensors-I go like 4 months without a 401 and then bam she's back. You can rig a test mode by connecting one side to vacuum and the other to open air. If it gets rid of the code then it's actually airflow. If the code stays, the sensor is shot.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Be careful with the egr tube and o-ring when you pull the intake. You don't want to make new vacuum leaks. It's a pretty easy job.
If the Focus had a firewall mounted DPFE, those are pretty bad. Ford even extended the warranty on them. All the Ford replacement DPFE's are reliable but a little more expensive than aftermarket.
raysorenson
09-23-2014, 09:05 AM #19Yeah, intake gaskets, upper and lower. Probably runs a little rough cold. Once warm, the gaskets soften and don't leak. Poor fuel economy is normal. The SOHC's are gashogs.
Be careful with the egr tube and o-ring when you pull the intake. You don't want to make new vacuum leaks. It's a pretty easy job.
If the Focus had a firewall mounted DPFE, those are pretty bad. Ford even extended the warranty on them. All the Ford replacement DPFE's are reliable but a little more expensive than aftermarket.
I was saying poor fuel economy beyond the normal poor fuel economy. Like under 10mpg bad. Im guessing if the intake is leaking it can be connected to awful fuel economy from what ive read on the 4.0? There are lots of comments on the web about the engine overfueling like crazy with that problem since its confused. Was also gonna clean the mass air flow sensor.
The focus does have a firewall mounted DPFE. I have a ford dealer a few miles from me, so may get the stock replacement from their parts department when it comes to getting that car legal.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
good info, thanks!
I was saying poor fuel economy beyond the normal poor fuel economy. Like under 10mpg bad. Im guessing if the intake is leaking it can be connected to awful fuel economy from what ive read on the 4.0? There are lots of comments on the web about the engine overfueling like crazy with that problem since its confused. Was also gonna clean the mass air flow sensor.
The focus does have a firewall mounted DPFE. I have a ford dealer a few miles from me, so may get the stock replacement from their parts department when it comes to getting that car legal.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
raysorenson
09-23-2014, 11:39 AM #21<10 mpg is messed up. Since this is a leak that can be worse at individual ports than others, it's plausible that there are cylinders on the same bank running significantly richer than others. This should undermine the O2 sensor's accuracy.
(09-23-2014, 11:39 AM)raysorenson <10 mpg is messed up. Since this is a leak that can be worse at individual ports than others, it's plausible that there are cylinders on the same bank running significantly richer than others. This should undermine the O2 sensor's accuracy.
Replaced intake gaskets/oring thingies, disconnected battery and drove it for a day to reset the OBD readiness state. Light is still out, maybe the exploder will pass inspection and i can focus on the focus THEN get back to my MB. Yuk yuk
The explorer is a nice well preserved truck, the wife loves her new to her ford. I do kinda appreciate the parts availability of a domestic, its a nice change
Anybody in the market for a focus ,let me know.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-23-2014, 11:39 AM)raysorenson <10 mpg is messed up. Since this is a leak that can be worse at individual ports than others, it's plausible that there are cylinders on the same bank running significantly richer than others. This should undermine the O2 sensor's accuracy.
Replaced intake gaskets/oring thingies, disconnected battery and drove it for a day to reset the OBD readiness state. Light is still out, maybe the exploder will pass inspection and i can focus on the focus THEN get back to my MB. Yuk yuk
The explorer is a nice well preserved truck, the wife loves her new to her ford. I do kinda appreciate the parts availability of a domestic, its a nice change
Anybody in the market for a focus ,let me know.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
These MILs are a pain. PO171 and P0174 are back, and they brought P1000 to the party. Back to the drawing board
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
-Vacuum leak post-MAF(test with ether)
-MAF is dirty or broken and reports wrong(clean it)
-Fuel regulator is messed up (Check operating pressure with $20 HF tester)
-Injectors are dirty (pull them and clean with carb cleaner & 5cc syringe-hit up youtube)
The readiness is no biggie, you need to drive more. My 98 takes 2 drives of more than 15 minutes(at operating temperature) with some highway time to complete. There's an official procedure, but I just try to hit rpm ranges and then crusie around 55 for 3-5mins or so.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
09-26-2014, 12:47 PM #24Too lean is:
-Vacuum leak post-MAF(test with ether)
-MAF is dirty or broken and reports wrong(clean it)
-Fuel regulator is messed up (Check operating pressure with $20 HF tester)
-Injectors are dirty (pull them and clean with carb cleaner & 5cc syringe-hit up youtube)
The readiness is no biggie, you need to drive more. My 98 takes 2 drives of more than 15 minutes(at operating temperature) with some highway time to complete. There's an official procedure, but I just try to hit rpm ranges and then crusie around 55 for 3-5mins or so.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
09-26-2014, 02:52 PM #25I just hit the button on the code reader and clear everything lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
Did you get any freeze frame data with those DTC's?
You did upper and lower intake gaskets, of course.
If the EGR tube had a green o-ring, good. They never need replacing. The only thing that can happen with those is the tube gets bent, not allowing the o-ring to seal or you roll the o-ring installing the intake. I lube the hole in the intake with grease before installing. If the leak was the intake gaskets and you've created another problem, this will be it.
The PCV valve is seated in that flimsy tube that leads to the oil separator and it's 2 vacuum lines are intact? The 2 vacuum lines on the lh and rh bottom sides of the intake held in with the white clips should be in there too.
I squirt carb cleaner in the suspected leak area while observing o2 voltages and fuel trims. Without a datalogger it's a little trickier. You can hope that when you squirt the leak area that the engine will idle differently but that's not guaranteed.
raysorenson
09-28-2014, 11:08 AM #26I can't remember the last time I've had a MAF problem on a 2nd gen exploder SOHC. Don't ever get fuel pressure problems either, other than no-start DOA pump.j
Did you get any freeze frame data with those DTC's?
You did upper and lower intake gaskets, of course.
If the EGR tube had a green o-ring, good. They never need replacing. The only thing that can happen with those is the tube gets bent, not allowing the o-ring to seal or you roll the o-ring installing the intake. I lube the hole in the intake with grease before installing. If the leak was the intake gaskets and you've created another problem, this will be it.
The PCV valve is seated in that flimsy tube that leads to the oil separator and it's 2 vacuum lines are intact? The 2 vacuum lines on the lh and rh bottom sides of the intake held in with the white clips should be in there too.
I squirt carb cleaner in the suspected leak area while observing o2 voltages and fuel trims. Without a datalogger it's a little trickier. You can hope that when you squirt the leak area that the engine will idle differently but that's not guaranteed.
(09-28-2014, 11:08 AM)raysorenson I can't remember the last time I've had a MAF problem on a 2nd gen exploder SOHC. Don't ever get fuel pressure problems either, other than no-start DOA pump.j
Did you get any freeze frame data with those DTC's?
You did upper and lower intake gaskets, of course.
If the EGR tube had a green o-ring, good. They never need replacing. The only thing that can happen with those is the tube gets bent, not allowing the o-ring to seal or you roll the o-ring installing the intake. I lube the hole in the intake with grease before installing. If the leak was the intake gaskets and you've created another problem, this will be it.
The PCV valve is seated in that flimsy tube that leads to the oil separator and it's 2 vacuum lines are intact? The 2 vacuum lines on the lh and rh bottom sides of the intake held in with the white clips should be in there too.
I squirt carb cleaner in the suspected leak area while observing o2 voltages and fuel trims. Without a datalogger it's a little trickier. You can hope that when you squirt the leak area that the engine will idle differently but that's not guaranteed.
Can you shoot ether to get more of a response around vac leaks?
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
09-29-2014, 08:15 AM #27(09-28-2014, 11:08 AM)raysorenson I can't remember the last time I've had a MAF problem on a 2nd gen exploder SOHC. Don't ever get fuel pressure problems either, other than no-start DOA pump.j
Did you get any freeze frame data with those DTC's?
You did upper and lower intake gaskets, of course.
If the EGR tube had a green o-ring, good. They never need replacing. The only thing that can happen with those is the tube gets bent, not allowing the o-ring to seal or you roll the o-ring installing the intake. I lube the hole in the intake with grease before installing. If the leak was the intake gaskets and you've created another problem, this will be it.
The PCV valve is seated in that flimsy tube that leads to the oil separator and it's 2 vacuum lines are intact? The 2 vacuum lines on the lh and rh bottom sides of the intake held in with the white clips should be in there too.
I squirt carb cleaner in the suspected leak area while observing o2 voltages and fuel trims. Without a datalogger it's a little trickier. You can hope that when you squirt the leak area that the engine will idle differently but that's not guaranteed.
Can you shoot ether to get more of a response around vac leaks?
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
raysorenson
09-29-2014, 08:33 AM #28Yeah as long as it's a fuel. I used to use propane but my rig disappeared. Cans of carb cleaner are always around.
Explorer i ended up getting a local shop to f with it while i was out of town. Codes were apparently caused by a split fuel line above the fuel tank. They discovered this as the original gummed up fuel pump failed while they were test driving it. Then of course the replacement fuel pump they installed failed after a day, again while they were driving it.
EDIT-
After all this the wife might actually want to go back to an old benz diesel. She was initially psyched about a newer gas vehicle. On the drive back from the shop massive random vibration in steering, like a wheel coming off. Have not found the cause yet
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
Well figured out explorer code issues, and got a sticker for it finally. Moving on to focus, so i can sell it asap.
Explorer i ended up getting a local shop to f with it while i was out of town. Codes were apparently caused by a split fuel line above the fuel tank. They discovered this as the original gummed up fuel pump failed while they were test driving it. Then of course the replacement fuel pump they installed failed after a day, again while they were driving it.
EDIT-
After all this the wife might actually want to go back to an old benz diesel. She was initially psyched about a newer gas vehicle. On the drive back from the shop massive random vibration in steering, like a wheel coming off. Have not found the cause yet
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
It's a 2nd gen Exploder quirk.
raysorenson
10-09-2014, 02:47 PM #30That's air in the P/S system. Gets in there by turning the wheel without the engine running, like when you have to do when you're pushing a dead car around. It will go away.
It's a 2nd gen Exploder quirk.
(10-09-2014, 02:47 PM)raysorenson That's air in the P/S system. Gets in there by turning the wheel without the engine running, like when you have to do when you're pushing a dead car around. It will go away.
It's a 2nd gen Exploder quirk.
thanks for your help with the ford shenanigans, very useful. I decided I really had no realistic use for the focus, so sold it to a guy.
I have replaced it with an 86 ranger which is much more to my tastes
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(10-09-2014, 02:47 PM)raysorenson That's air in the P/S system. Gets in there by turning the wheel without the engine running, like when you have to do when you're pushing a dead car around. It will go away.
It's a 2nd gen Exploder quirk.
thanks for your help with the ford shenanigans, very useful. I decided I really had no realistic use for the focus, so sold it to a guy.
I have replaced it with an 86 ranger which is much more to my tastes
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
1 Guest(s)
1 Guest(s)