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I follow that channel and watched all episodes. There are some good suff :-)
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Really good series of videos there making better than most things on the tv !
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(02-19-2014, 12:18 PM)F.R.A.S Wrote: I love the sterilized environment =)

Yeah.. "hospital conditions" Confused
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Updated for new release.
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nice videos, well worth the watch.
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Hope you enjoyed the pump episode and learned a lot about tuning pumps. HuhHuh
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Herlevi looks like a fun guy. But as you implies the episode was not that informative. Sounded to me like anyone could get 270cc from 8mm elements in your home garage. And I know for a fact that you need a little bit more than that...

But the guys are doing a great job with the videos.

(02-28-2014, 02:12 AM)dieselmeken Wrote: Hope you enjoyed the pump episode and learned a lot about tuning pumps. HuhHuh
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These are brilliant
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(02-28-2014, 02:12 AM)dieselmeken Wrote: Hope you enjoyed the pump episode and learned a lot about tuning pumps. HuhHuh

Ha, i was hoping you'd comment on this Rolleyes
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(02-28-2014, 02:12 AM)dieselmeken Wrote: Hope you enjoyed the pump episode and learned a lot about tuning pumps. HuhHuh
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I do like this series but it's not really a budget build to most people, most people don't have full machine shop at their disposal & most people don't just have all those parts laying around
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One can dream can't they?

I only have one concern with their racing engine, if this is a 3.5 crank, it will break. The 3.5's were notorious for this..
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..Tongue
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(03-12-2014, 01:26 PM)Spaceraver Wrote: One can dream can't they?

I only have one concern with their racing engine, if this is a 3.5 crank, it will break. The 3.5's were notorious for this..

isn't that the rod bender engine? (bad,bad engine)
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I may be wrong here, but i thought the 3.5 crank was tough. AMG used it to make the M104 3.6 engine after all.
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(03-13-2014, 07:19 AM)Duncansport Wrote: I may be wrong here, but i thought the 3.5 crank was tough. AMG used it to make the M104 3.6 engine after all.
The only issues I was aware of with the 3.5 was the rod bending issue & the issue of the catylitic conver being in the manifold & having a habit of disintergrating into the turbo.
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How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.
If its not inline its out of line Tongue
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(03-19-2014, 10:20 PM)Gearbound Wrote: How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.

That´s easy. Remove the nozzle holder and prechamber and in that space you can basically place a KBAL65S13 nozzle holder for example.
The hard part will be to find the right nozzle. A nozzle with a not correct spray angle will cut the piston like a water jet cutter.... Big Grin


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That's a big problem then lol
If its not inline its out of line Tongue
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As they can lower CR (=it's a race car), they might be able to reprofile combustion chamber in the piston to go with the nozzle angle of their choice. I think the biggest problem is that DI engine needs swirl and tumble in the compression chamber in order to have efficient burning. Tumble is easy to achieve with piston mods, but to get any decent swirl motion...

Hopefully air movement in combustion chamber is caotic enough with high revs and high boost. With VW TDI engines we have found best to enhance swirl at the cost of intake flow.
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(03-20-2014, 11:05 AM)Volker407 Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:20 PM)Gearbound Wrote: How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.

That´s easy. Remove the nozzle holder and prechamber and in that space you can basically place a KBAL65S13 nozzle holder for example.
The hard part will be to find the right nozzle. A nozzle with a not correct spray angle will cut the piston like a water jet cutter.... Big Grin



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What about the glow plug? It goes to the prechamber right

(03-20-2014, 11:05 AM)Volker407 Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:20 PM)Gearbound Wrote: How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.

That´s easy. Remove the nozzle holder and prechamber and in that space you can basically place a KBAL65S13 nozzle holder for example.
The hard part will be to find the right nozzle. A nozzle with a not correct spray angle will cut the piston like a water jet cutter.... Big Grin



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What about the glow plug? It goes to the prechamber right
If its not inline its out of line Tongue
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(03-20-2014, 11:05 AM)Volker407 Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:20 PM)Gearbound Wrote: How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.

That´s easy. Remove the nozzle holder and prechamber and in that space you can basically place a KBAL65S13 nozzle holder for example.
The hard part will be to find the right nozzle. A nozzle with a not correct spray angle will cut the piston like a water jet cutter.... Big Grin



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They mention Scania injectors....which more than likely means a P pump....with 13mm elements...and one or maybe two big turbos= 800 bhp +?
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(03-20-2014, 11:05 AM)Volker407 Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:20 PM)Gearbound Wrote: How will they put DI injectors into a ID head? Sounds like they havent found a answer to the pistions either.

That´s easy. Remove the nozzle holder and prechamber and in that space you can basically place a KBAL65S13 nozzle holder for example.
The hard part will be to find the right nozzle. A nozzle with a not correct spray angle will cut the piston like a water jet cutter.... Big Grin



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What about the glow plug? It goes to the prechamber right
If its not inline its out of line Tongue
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Plug it up. Good D engine will start without glowing... It's not like it's going to be used to get fresh brezels every morning...
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Bump ep7
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Loving the vids. Would have been nice if they went into a bit more detail with the pump though.

What's the reason for using sprinter pistons over cdi pistons?
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(04-01-2014, 05:59 PM)hooblah Wrote: ....What's the reason for using sprinter pistons over cdi pistons?

The "sprinter" pistons probably fit without too much trouble because they were already made for that engine family.

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They are trying to convert engine to direct injection. In direct injection combustion chamber is
contained in piston top which is dished.
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(04-02-2014, 05:45 PM)anjay Wrote: They are trying to convert engine to direct injection. In direct injection combustion chamber is
contained in piston top which is dished.
That doesn't explain why you'd use sprinter pistons instead of CDI pistons(which are direct injection anyway), But Volker above you has already covered that.
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Maybe Sprinter (did they say what Sprinter? CDI oder DI??) pistons are simply stronger due to higher engine load for - er - load hauling Smile Also I don't thing they'r going CDI and as Volker allready explained, piston geometrie is quite important with direct injection. So taking pistons out of a 290 engine is probably the best idea if you go for mechanical DI.

Just my thoughts on a subject I don't know much about Smile So I stand corrected of course...
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I'm waiting for test drive! Great work!
No boost-no fun.
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Another bonus episode is released.
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episode 8 is out
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3zON7BnrVMA...=mv-google
No modifications to fit xD
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My family has Finnish heritage (came over from Kuortane a few generations back), and these guys seem pretty awesome, so I thought I'd help 'em finance some new tires and ordered a bunch of stickers. I'm not too proud to admit that I was like a little fan-boy when they arrived in an envelope that apparently Teemu had hand written on.

Lol I'm pathetic. This is a cool project, though!
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Thats from their 203 wagon. Seems like a reasonable approach to lowering EGP Smile. I have a similar feature with a loose vband on the stock exhaust....
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Epic selfie Goran
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Doesn't it say in one of the film that pekka Herlevi all ready built a direct injection engine and it has no problem with heat when they floored it for 5km..
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This is the old IDI engine, DI is not ready yet.
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(06-03-2014, 12:12 PM)DiseaselWeasel Wrote: [Image: 10342395_720717917984979_5062727560167316481_n.jpg]

did the turbo wheel go out through downpipe?


nice work Goran.
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Vanes sheared off... Big Grin

They've also destroyed the first engine this season. New one is in a the race is on Smile https://www.facebook.com/blacksmokeracin...nt_count=1
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That piston does not look good....

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Report from me.
I Heard on all the videos that the Engine didnt sound good, so when BSR was in Denmark I sent a message to Teemu asking if they need any help from me? Answer was quickly replyed and Wednesday the team arrived for a pumpswap, It worked like hell, see video, After that up to Mantorp Park for Friday race, engine overfuelled and I never had a chance to reduce it Before it blow up.
This was the second piston on cyl2 that have melted down in the same block, probably cause oilcooling from underside.
When Engine was swapped and my pump did go back, they accidently cracked the pumphouse with a massive oil leak as result.
We tested the faulty pump on Wednesday night, governor was not OK an 1 cyl did give to much fuel. It maxed out 150cc on 5 cyl and 190 on 1 cyl, I adjusted the fuel but nothing else, pump should go back to Finland for fixing. Max fuel was 220cc at full rack travel

To save Everything, I took the old pump, took my governor & ALDA and put it on, set the pump on the Engine without any covers, started up an listend to it, adjusted some and got it running. I reduced it on the outside adjuster that I have to save the new Engine. It did go well and Teemu came in 3 rd Place in drifting competition.

Thats racing folks.
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(06-16-2014, 03:12 PM)dieselmeken Wrote: Report from me.
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Thats racing folks.

Job well done for the little time and circumstances you were given!
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And there you have it straight from the pits.
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