building a turbo
building a turbo
11-14-2013, 12:25 AM
#1
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-14-2013, 12:25 AM #1How easy is this? I want a t3/t4 hybrid but don't really feel like buying a whole new turbo since I already have a spare t3 in the garage. Can I just get a t4 compressor housing and swap it on with the correct compressor wheel? I like the t4 because they're supposed to flow a lot of air (according to other people around the intarweb)
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-14-2013, 03:18 AM
#3
EDH_Performance
11-14-2013, 03:18 AM #3ideal the turbine should be a mm or two bigger than the compressor to get the max out of compressor
11-14-2013, 09:32 AM
#4
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-14-2013, 09:32 AM #4If everything clears it's a matter of swapping parts, and sending it out for balancing.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
11-14-2013, 10:23 AM
#6
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-14-2013, 10:23 AM #6Hmm, I might have to research this further when I'm in front of a computer
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-15-2013, 12:14 PM
#8
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
11-15-2013, 12:14 PM #8Why not just keep surfing craigslist? I found a turbonetics T3/T4 60 A/R for $250 locally. I think I'm going the HX30 route instead though. My factory garrett is kaput. Too much high boost. (17psi steady, spike to 20psi while shifting)
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
11-15-2013, 12:17 PM
#9
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-15-2013, 12:17 PM #9I'll probably keep surfing craigslist until I settle on something
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-28-2013, 04:08 PM
#10
My reason being is that a cheapo one can be had new for like $320 with free shipping on fleabay. And I'm tired of deliberating on this and need more air so I have an excuse to build sooopaaaahhhhhpuuuuuuuuummmmmppppppp
This post was last modified: 11-28-2013, 04:57 PM by sassparilla_kid.
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-28-2013, 04:08 PM #10Okay now I'm thinking of going HX30, who has one and how does it perform? How is spool up time compared to a stock Garrett?
My reason being is that a cheapo one can be had new for like $320 with free shipping on fleabay. And I'm tired of deliberating on this and need more air so I have an excuse to build sooopaaaahhhhhpuuuuuuuuummmmmppppppp
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-28-2013, 06:32 PM
#11
But with a big pump you could probably get enough juice flowing to spin it up faster.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-28-2013, 06:32 PM #11An HX30 is huge-when we put one on the tractor it turned 5psi at redline, the garrett hit 12psi.
But with a big pump you could probably get enough juice flowing to spin it up faster.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
11-29-2013, 03:16 AM
#12
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-29-2013, 03:16 AM #12MFSuper90 has one on his car, from what I've read in his thread it seems to work pretty well, and I don't think he even has a superpump
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-29-2013, 07:05 PM
#13
I'm still running stock pump, just turned up with no Alda. The turbo has an MWE groove, makes it sound awesome
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
It spools slightly slower than stock, but not even enough to tell a difference really. My hx30 is only slightly larger than stock, inducer wise only about 1mm, but the exducer is what helps the map so much. Exhaust is bigger, but I didn't measure it to know for sure.
I'm still running stock pump, just turned up with no Alda. The turbo has an MWE groove, makes it sound awesome
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
11-29-2013, 11:07 PM
#14
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-29-2013, 11:07 PM #14Is that one of those turbos I see with the little holes in the front of it?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-30-2013, 12:36 AM
#15
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
Not necessarily hole, but they have a ring around the comp wheel, then a space, then where the intake would clamp on. If you google MWE groove it'll pop up. Pretty cool how they work.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
11-30-2013, 11:42 AM
#17
The achieve "anti surge" by making the compressor map wider, thus moving the surge line. They don't completely do away with surge, but it can help. And they whistle like crazy and sound awesome
If your looking for an hx30 make sure you pay attention to the exhaust housing size, 7cm is the biggest I would consider for a stock pump 617. I have a 6cm on mine and that's what I would recommend for decent spool.
An he221 would be the bees knees for a 617, with a 5or 6cm housing. The only thing is you have to adapt it for a t2 or t25 (can't remember which)
This post was last modified: 11-30-2013, 11:44 AM by MFSuper90.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I did a little research, the ported shrouds have an MWE groove, and the holes in the comp housing provide the air to the MWE groove, instead of being open like most others
The achieve "anti surge" by making the compressor map wider, thus moving the surge line. They don't completely do away with surge, but it can help. And they whistle like crazy and sound awesome
If your looking for an hx30 make sure you pay attention to the exhaust housing size, 7cm is the biggest I would consider for a stock pump 617. I have a 6cm on mine and that's what I would recommend for decent spool.
An he221 would be the bees knees for a 617, with a 5or 6cm housing. The only thing is you have to adapt it for a t2 or t25 (can't remember which)
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
11-30-2013, 01:37 PM
#18
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-30-2013, 01:37 PM #18Adapters are no problem, I can get stuff cut with a water jet for essentially free. And if I'm nice to one of my professors I can probably use the machine shop at school. Or I could use the machine tools at work lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
11-30-2013, 06:14 PM
#19
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The new way of doing it is to use a bell mouth and drill holes through it down to the mwe groove.
Like this:
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Not sure why this is, is someone able to clear it up?
After doing a bit of digging, it seems like ported housings are the old way of doing it, i.e. a shroud within a shroud. Like this:
The new way of doing it is to use a bell mouth and drill holes through it down to the mwe groove.
Like this:
Not sure why this is, is someone able to clear it up?
11-30-2013, 08:23 PM
#20
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I don't know if that's the "new" way or not, but I think it's just another way to do it. Because BW, Holset, even precision still make the ported shroud type
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
12-01-2013, 01:02 AM
#21
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
12-01-2013, 01:02 AM #21I think I'll probably end up going HX30, I guess I'll have to keep my eyes open for one, probably 6mm with that fancy groove because I want to hear it spoooooool, because my t3 doesn't make much/any noise
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
12-01-2013, 01:52 AM
#22
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
Or keep an eye out for an he221, they are very similar to a hx30 but outflow them by a couple lbs. plus you can get one with a little smaller housing. I'd probably rather have a 221 than a 30 on mine. But hey, It works
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
03-12-2014, 02:44 AM
#23
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
03-12-2014, 02:44 AM #23Okay so next question, what to do about oil supply/drain for hx30? I doubt the stock stuff bolts up? I'm tired of the Garrett, time to go bigger, and I get paid next week. Also, can't turn up the pump until I get more boost, and I have a leaky oil filter housing gasket and figured that would be the perfect time to adjust the pump a little since I don't want to pull it a bunch of times
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
03-12-2014, 04:40 AM
#24
(11-30-2013, 06:14 PM)hooblah The new way of doing it is to use a bell mouth and drill holes through it down to the mwe groove.
Not sure why this is, is someone able to clear it up?
To make it look pretty -> charge more money.
You can google SMWE (=Super Map Width Enhancement).
Ported shroud housing takes efficiency out of compressor (as it bleeds air) and it should not be used because of looks or sound...
shadowmaker
03-12-2014, 04:40 AM #24(11-30-2013, 06:14 PM)hooblah The new way of doing it is to use a bell mouth and drill holes through it down to the mwe groove.
Not sure why this is, is someone able to clear it up?
To make it look pretty -> charge more money.
You can google SMWE (=Super Map Width Enhancement).
Ported shroud housing takes efficiency out of compressor (as it bleeds air) and it should not be used because of looks or sound...
03-12-2014, 09:33 AM
#26
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-12-2014, 09:33 AM #26I always thought the ported shroud was to lessen surge?
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
03-12-2014, 09:37 AM
#27
(03-12-2014, 06:23 AM)Turbo shadow can you please extend your explanation of[/quote]
-"Ported shroud housing takes efficiency out of compressor (as it bleeds air) and it should not be used because of looks or sound...
If you don't have surge problem, why use anti-surge housing and loose compressor efficiency (which means higher IAT/EMP)?
If you have a surge problem, then it might be reasonable.
Although for serious builds I'd do it electronically controlled.The difference between anti-surge and non-anti-surge housing can be related to ancient and modern turbo design. It can be that big.
shadowmaker
03-12-2014, 09:37 AM #27(03-12-2014, 06:23 AM)Turbo shadow can you please extend your explanation of[/quote]
-"Ported shroud housing takes efficiency out of compressor (as it bleeds air) and it should not be used because of looks or sound...
If you don't have surge problem, why use anti-surge housing and loose compressor efficiency (which means higher IAT/EMP)?
If you have a surge problem, then it might be reasonable.
Although for serious builds I'd do it electronically controlled.The difference between anti-surge and non-anti-surge housing can be related to ancient and modern turbo design. It can be that big.
03-12-2014, 02:29 PM
#28
)Recirculating some of the air means compressing it more than once, this lowers the overall compressor efficiency. On some turbos like low trim, big compressors, not very noticeable (Holset HX35/40 and so on still have an amazing high compressor efficiency with these ports) while the best example for how bad it can be is the HE221W with very poor compressor efficiency but a very wide map for its compressor wheel size. The bigger the port or slots (the more air being recirculated) the lower the compressor efficiency will be.
If you have no surge issues without it, no need to add it if it isn't there already.
Shadowmaker is right (as always )
Recirculating some of the air means compressing it more than once, this lowers the overall compressor efficiency. On some turbos like low trim, big compressors, not very noticeable (Holset HX35/40 and so on still have an amazing high compressor efficiency with these ports) while the best example for how bad it can be is the HE221W with very poor compressor efficiency but a very wide map for its compressor wheel size. The bigger the port or slots (the more air being recirculated) the lower the compressor efficiency will be.
If you have no surge issues without it, no need to add it if it isn't there already.
03-12-2014, 03:51 PM
#29
It is so dependent what you want to accomplish. simply I can not understand why the manufacture of turbos no not elaborate more with the swirls extent in the inlet for lower the aerodynamic load on blade in the compressor when surge is an issue, of course it would be more expensive. and buy using advance vane diffuser more aggressive outlet blade angles would be interesting so more the behaviour that pressure ratio can increase with flow and not becoming a limitation what do you think about that shadow
(03-12-2014, 02:29 PM)Alcaid Shadowmaker is right (as always
Recirculating some of the air means compressing it more than once, this lowers the overall compressor efficiency. On some turbos like low trim, big compressors, not very noticeable (Holset HX35/40 and so on still have an amazing high compressor efficiency with these ports) while the best example for how bad it can be is the HE221W with very poor compressor efficiency but a very wide map for its compressor wheel size. The bigger the port or slots (the more air being recirculated) the lower the compressor efficiency will be.
If you have no surge issues without it, no need to add it if it isn't there already.
This post was last modified: 03-12-2014, 05:19 PM by Turbo.
I can agree in some extent but I would be careful in making it a statement.
It is so dependent what you want to accomplish. simply I can not understand why the manufacture of turbos no not elaborate more with the swirls extent in the inlet for lower the aerodynamic load on blade in the compressor when surge is an issue, of course it would be more expensive. and buy using advance vane diffuser more aggressive outlet blade angles would be interesting so more the behaviour that pressure ratio can increase with flow and not becoming a limitation what do you think about that shadow
(03-12-2014, 02:29 PM)Alcaid Shadowmaker is right (as always
Recirculating some of the air means compressing it more than once, this lowers the overall compressor efficiency. On some turbos like low trim, big compressors, not very noticeable (Holset HX35/40 and so on still have an amazing high compressor efficiency with these ports) while the best example for how bad it can be is the HE221W with very poor compressor efficiency but a very wide map for its compressor wheel size. The bigger the port or slots (the more air being recirculated) the lower the compressor efficiency will be.
If you have no surge issues without it, no need to add it if it isn't there already.
DirtDiesel
03-12-2014, 04:26 PM #30does the hx30 come with a divided housing??? just curious is all
LiL Micky
03-12-2014, 07:57 PM
#31
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
03-12-2014, 07:57 PM #31I've seen them on eBay with them yeah
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
03-14-2014, 02:38 AM
#33
(03-12-2014, 03:51 PM)Turbo ...what do you think about that shadow
Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses. I have held turbo and ex-mani out of a WRC-Peugeot in my hand and with the prices they were quoted I'm sure they have very little in common with the turbos that can be bought from turbo shops. I bet new F1 turbos are utilizing things that we can only read from scientific studies plus then there is stuff that isn't even public yet.
Maybe 10-20 years time we are able to buy these currently state-of-the-art turbos, but meanwhile we need to either choose the best combination available or maybe even try to machine some cool things to those with public knowledge from turbo research. Our OM606 have used some of these findings already...
shadowmaker
03-14-2014, 02:38 AM #33(03-12-2014, 03:51 PM)Turbo ...what do you think about that shadow
Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses. I have held turbo and ex-mani out of a WRC-Peugeot in my hand and with the prices they were quoted I'm sure they have very little in common with the turbos that can be bought from turbo shops. I bet new F1 turbos are utilizing things that we can only read from scientific studies plus then there is stuff that isn't even public yet.
Maybe 10-20 years time we are able to buy these currently state-of-the-art turbos, but meanwhile we need to either choose the best combination available or maybe even try to machine some cool things to those with public knowledge from turbo research. Our OM606 have used some of these findings already...
03-14-2014, 10:32 AM
#34
Competition drives innovation. Let us praise your innovations!
"Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses.
Our OM606 have used some of these findings already..."
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
Can you share some findings with us?
Competition drives innovation. Let us praise your innovations!
"Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses.
Our OM606 have used some of these findings already..."
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
03-14-2014, 11:34 AM
#35
(03-14-2014, 10:32 AM)CRD4x4 Can you share some findings with us?
Competition drives innovation. Let us praise your innovations!
"Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses.
Our OM606 have used some of these findings already..."
I really think the BorgWarner EFR 7064 would be a great match. It's internal waste gate and aerodynamics make it very attractive in my opinion. But is does cost 2K :-(
Duncansport
03-14-2014, 11:34 AM #35(03-14-2014, 10:32 AM)CRD4x4 Can you share some findings with us?
Competition drives innovation. Let us praise your innovations!
"Of course there are experimental and race oriented turbos out there that aren't currently available for the masses.
Our OM606 have used some of these findings already..."
I really think the BorgWarner EFR 7064 would be a great match. It's internal waste gate and aerodynamics make it very attractive in my opinion. But is does cost 2K :-(
03-19-2014, 08:38 AM
#36
(03-12-2014, 04:26 PM)DirtDiesel does the hx30 come with a divided housing??? just curious is all
I've had one with and without.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
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1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
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