axial play gearboxes, what is ok?
axial play gearboxes, what is ok?
got a 717.401 that i destroyed, and now sourced two new, one from another car i have, and the other i bought.
feeling on the axle that goes into the gearbox at the front, al three of them had quite a lot of play, is this a problem, and something i should fix before driving much?
third gear gave up one the first gearbox, but ran excellent for a long-long time!
(if i absolutely should change the bearing, how much work would it be, doable?
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swampmonkey
09-08-2014, 06:20 PM #1hey there!
got a 717.401 that i destroyed, and now sourced two new, one from another car i have, and the other i bought.
feeling on the axle that goes into the gearbox at the front, al three of them had quite a lot of play, is this a problem, and something i should fix before driving much?
third gear gave up one the first gearbox, but ran excellent for a long-long time!
(if i absolutely should change the bearing, how much work would it be, doable?
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
Replacing the front bearing and the needle bearing between the 2 main shafts cut about half the play out of it. The front bearing was probably the one causing most of the play, and on a 404 it can be serviced by just removing the front cover in the bellhousing. A special tool was required for removal. Installation without the specified mandrel was difficult but possible.
Also, I think it's a good idea to just stack 2 pilot bearings against each other if you don't have the spacer that locates the pilot. I suspect I pushed my pilot too far into the crank during trans installation. This would seriously shorten the longevity and torque capability of the trans.
raysorenson
09-08-2014, 07:19 PM #2I've got a .404 that I just went into for that reason.
Replacing the front bearing and the needle bearing between the 2 main shafts cut about half the play out of it. The front bearing was probably the one causing most of the play, and on a 404 it can be serviced by just removing the front cover in the bellhousing. A special tool was required for removal. Installation without the specified mandrel was difficult but possible.
Also, I think it's a good idea to just stack 2 pilot bearings against each other if you don't have the spacer that locates the pilot. I suspect I pushed my pilot too far into the crank during trans installation. This would seriously shorten the longevity and torque capability of the trans.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
09-09-2014, 07:11 AM #3how much play did you have after servicing it? in mm, barely noticable at al, 2-3mm longest out, or something else? want to know "how much" is normal play
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
09-12-2014, 06:31 AM #5with pilot bearing you are talking about the one in the flywheel, right? seems logical that missing that would affect torque capability
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
raysorenson
09-12-2014, 11:23 AM #6It's in the crank if you have a singlemass trans. There is a spacer that goes in the crank to locate the pilot. Turbodiesels, being originally equipped with auto's, did not have this spacer. Not using this spacer runs the risk of pushing the pilot too far into the crank while installing the trans. Stacking 2 pilots makes a cheap and readily available spacer.
(09-09-2014, 09:42 AM)raysorenson .030", .762mm, longest out on a 717.404.
was that after or before servicing it?
if after, that might be what i already have (isch)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
09-22-2014, 06:02 PM #7(09-09-2014, 09:42 AM)raysorenson .030", .762mm, longest out on a 717.404.
was that after or before servicing it?
if after, that might be what i already have (isch)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
raysorenson
09-22-2014, 09:01 PM #8After bearing replacement. It was an improvement but I didn't measure before replacing bearings.
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