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zeeman

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08-30-2013, 07:39 PM #1

Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

zeeman

08-30-2013, 07:39 PM #1

Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

aaa

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08-30-2013, 11:34 PM #2

Not easily. See Zeitgeist's thread here, he used a 603 pan to clear the swaybar and had to modify the oil pump a bit.

aaa

08-30-2013, 11:34 PM #2

Not easily. See Zeitgeist's thread here, he used a 603 pan to clear the swaybar and had to modify the oil pump a bit.

zeeman

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08-31-2013, 05:53 PM #3

(08-30-2013, 11:34 PM)aaa Not easily. See Zeitgeist's thread here, he used a 603 pan to clear the swaybar and had to modify the oil pump a bit.

Thanks for the info, it seems there are not many options on this. The issue on the Toyota is the rear part of the sump interfering with the steering cross link. I need to shorten the rear of the sump 3 inches to clear the steering cross link. Even using the 603 oil pickup I don't think I can gain that much. Back to the drawing board.

zeeman

08-31-2013, 05:53 PM #3

(08-30-2013, 11:34 PM)aaa Not easily. See Zeitgeist's thread here, he used a 603 pan to clear the swaybar and had to modify the oil pump a bit.

Grecy

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09-03-2013, 05:06 PM #4

(08-30-2013, 07:39 PM)zeeman Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

I'm very interested in your conversion.
What transmission are you using?
Do you have a build thread somewhere?

I'll be especially interested in what mileage you can get.

Thanks very much,
-Dan

Grecy

09-03-2013, 05:06 PM #4

(08-30-2013, 07:39 PM)zeeman Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

I'm very interested in your conversion.
What transmission are you using?
Do you have a build thread somewhere?

I'll be especially interested in what mileage you can get.

Thanks very much,
-Dan

zeeman

Holset

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09-03-2013, 11:27 PM #5

(09-03-2013, 05:06 PM)Grecy [quote='zeeman' pid='54940' dateline='1377909559']
Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

I'm very interested in your conversion.
What transmission are you using?
Do you have a build thread somewhere?

I'll be especially interested in what mileage you can get.

Thanks very much,
-Dan
[/quote

Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

zeeman

09-03-2013, 11:27 PM #5

(09-03-2013, 05:06 PM)Grecy [quote='zeeman' pid='54940' dateline='1377909559']
Will the 603 and 606 oil pans interchange? Is there a 606 oil pan that has a rear sump, G wagon? I am doing a 606 conversion in a Toyota 4runner and the 606 pan sump is in the way of the steering.

Grecy

GTA2056V

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09-04-2013, 01:26 PM #6

(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler Smile

That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Grecy

09-04-2013, 01:26 PM #6

(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler Smile

zeeman

Holset

444

09-04-2013, 02:31 PM #7

(09-04-2013, 01:26 PM)Grecy
(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler
That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Dan

I had to extend the nose of the Cherokee because of the oil pan sump, just as in the installation issues in the 4runner. I had to move the engine in the Cherokee forward to clear the differencial in the Cherokee.
In the 4runner it is the steering crosslink from the pitman arm to the idler, although it doesn't move up and down with the IFS and the engine sump can set closer to it.
I understand the 603 pan has a shorter and shallower sump that may help this. The customer wants a 4" lift which would move the suspension cradle and crosslink down which will help also.
If all else fails I will have to modify the sump itself.

Ron

(09-04-2013, 01:26 PM)Grecy
(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler
That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Dan

I had to extend the nose of the Cherokee because of the oil pan sump, just as in the installation issues in the 4runner. I had to move the engine in the Cherokee forward to clear the differencial in the Cherokee.
In the 4runner it is the steering crossarm from the pitman arm to the idler, although it doesn't move up and down with the IFS and the engine sump can set closer to it.
I understand the 603 pan has a shorter and shallower sump that may help this. The customer wants a 4" lift which would move the suspension cradle and crossarm down which will help also.
If all else fails I will have to modify the sump itself.

Ron

This post was last modified: 09-04-2013, 02:35 PM by zeeman.

zeeman

09-04-2013, 02:31 PM #7

(09-04-2013, 01:26 PM)Grecy
(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler
That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Dan

I had to extend the nose of the Cherokee because of the oil pan sump, just as in the installation issues in the 4runner. I had to move the engine in the Cherokee forward to clear the differencial in the Cherokee.
In the 4runner it is the steering crossarm from the pitman arm to the idler, although it doesn't move up and down with the IFS and the engine sump can set closer to it.
I understand the 603 pan has a shorter and shallower sump that may help this. The customer wants a 4" lift which would move the suspension cradle and crossarm down which will help also.
If all else fails I will have to modify the sump itself.

Ron

zeeman

Holset

444

10-03-2013, 01:32 PM #8

Anyone know the depth difference between the 603 pan and the 606 pan. The distance between the bottom of the block and the bottom of the pan sump, and the length of the sump. Trying to see if there is enough difference to go to the 603 pan.

(09-04-2013, 01:26 PM)Grecy
(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler
That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Dan

The 606 engine is 31" long from the back of the block were the bellhousing bolts on, to the front of the crank pulley. Hope this helps.

Ron

This post was last modified: 10-03-2013, 01:36 PM by zeeman.

zeeman

10-03-2013, 01:32 PM #8

(09-04-2013, 01:26 PM)Grecy
(09-03-2013, 11:27 PM)zeeman Dan

I am using the 94 Toyota 5spd. trans. adapted to the 606. I will have a build thread probably on Pirate4x4 when I get further along with the project. I have some blogs there with the ZEEMAN handle.
I also have some pictures of my Cherokee 606 conversion on my web site with the adapter www.northwestdieseloffroad.com

Thanks Ron

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the info. I'm the Dan that contacted you a few months ago about getting a 606 into a JK Wrangler
That's why I'm so interested in you putting it into the 4Runner.

Thanks, I'll be following along.

I've been meaning to ask you for a while - why did you need to extend the nose of the Cherokee? I would have thought that it coming originally with an inline 6 would have made it ideal for the 606. I still don't have precise measurements of the JK engine bay, and I'm worried the 606 will be too long.
Any thoughts?

-Dan

Dan

The 606 engine is 31" long from the back of the block were the bellhousing bolts on, to the front of the crank pulley. Hope this helps.

Ron

winmutt

bitbanger

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10-09-2013, 01:03 PM #9

There is a post about swapping a 3L 603 into a 140 and the differences between that and the 3.5L. They are different pans and pickups, maybe its a better solution?

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winmutt

10-09-2013, 01:03 PM #9

There is a post about swapping a 3L 603 into a 140 and the differences between that and the 3.5L. They are different pans and pickups, maybe its a better solution?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

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