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Intercooler picture thread?
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Intercooler picture thread?
I'd like to put an Air to Air in the W123. Behind grill or under bumper, whatever space allows for. I will have all AC stuff removed.

I've seen pics of people's setups but they have only been the "At a Glance" sorta of picture. Any pics detailing pipe routing, sizing, etc.? It's tight down there, how can i fit my pipe?
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I will takes pics of the w124. Piping should come in today. The 27"x8"x4" IC I got is just about a perfect fit.
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Its just tough to imagine without going electrical fans. Cutting metal and who knows what else.
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In front of the main rad in a 107.

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(06-10-2013, 02:40 PM)lgreeley83 Wrote: Its just tough to imagine without going electrical fans. Cutting metal and who knows what else.

And that's why I went with a smaller intercooler. Sure its not ideal, but cutting the bumper support or losing AC.... neither were justifiable. With a 602/605 there is way more room to move things around.
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I cheat Big Grin
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I've got the w115 manifold and have been considering that. Without a crossflow head I'm think it's the best bet. Every pic of a w123 air to air I think has had a non stock radiator and relocated oil cooler thus allowing some space. Maybe I'm wrong.
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That air water looks like something someone was selling a few months back.
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It is! Me and Kmaser made a deal, and I am now the proud owner of a A/W intercooler Cool
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My intercooler has gone places Big Grin
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Was it yours originally winmutt?
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(06-11-2013, 09:56 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: Was it yours originally winmutt?

It was.

I test fitted piping and IC last night. Will get some metal from HD today and start working on the brackets, promise I'll take plenty of pics of routing etc.
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RE: Inter cooler picture thread?
Off topic but in the same realm...

Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.

This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.

I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.

http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d

2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....
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(06-16-2013, 10:02 PM)lgreeley83 Wrote: Off topic but in the same realm...

Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.

This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.

I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.

http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d

2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....

make sure the sides is -kinda airtight- if you opens up, gives better flow throu radiator.
how much power are you planing? got a w123 coupe with om602turbo with dialed up pump and 280E radiator, got heatproblems when making long pushes.
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Not too much, maybe 200 HP. I'll have 6mm (90cc fuel) pump on om617. 60 trim in the Garrett turbo.
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Mounted.

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Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?

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(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Wrote: Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?

At the end of the day, the space issue was still the same with the rad as the a/a intercoler. Then there was the space for the tank and yada yada. Most importantly is that you cant get on many courses (none around here) with a non oem air/water intercooler.

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I have 4" clearence under the IC, went over some minor speed bumps no issue. I will probably redo the mounts and get it another 1" higher off the ground maybe and with some piping rework get better clearance.
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(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Wrote: Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?

I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)
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(07-07-2013, 09:24 PM)lgreeley83 Wrote:
(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Wrote: Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?

I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)

I'm pretty sure Captain America could fab you one if you sent him your manifold, he is a welder by trade lol
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Yeah I might be able to do that at the new place I'm working at, we are still setting up the shop so I'm at least a few weeks out

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I can't really find it right now on my phone, but what about the style FI used, I believe it was A/W and looked like a cylinder that ran parallel to the intake manifold
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Yeah that would be good too. Allow for work on the turbo without the big old A/W manifold in the way

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Got a little lift and tuck at the pastic surgeons today.
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I accomplished this by cutting into the radiator support about 1" where the plane of the back part of the support ends up at the top and then bent the sides back like wings. Kinda hard to describe without pics (which I should have taken). Doesn't seem like big numbers but the difference is pretty clear! At this point, the top mounts of the IC are about 1/4" off the bumper. I can remove all of the side material on the radiator mount and pound it flat and get the mount points underneath. To mount that I will have to drill a big hole through to top of the bumper support to allow access to a smaller hole for the bolt to go through to mount into the top of the intercooler. At that point the intercooler would almost be vertical and probably gain another 1/2" of clearance on the bottom as well as allow for a spoiler to go over it.
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Hi,
While on the Intercooler topic.
Is there any sense in using the free integrated cooler (probably for the transmission) on a 300GD for a A/W intercooler? I know the temp would only cool to water temp of motor if that low. That would make things a lot simpler.

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i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
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+1000
Why would some hot ass radiator fluid help to cool down charge air?
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(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel Wrote: i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.

Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.

But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime
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(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote:
(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel Wrote: i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.

Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.

But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime

well, you can think what you want, but it really depends on the application you are using the intercooler on, besides that. cooler charge air no matter how its cooled it has to be better then hot charge air.
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(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.

When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
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(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel Wrote: i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.

You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.

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(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson Wrote:
(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.

When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?

I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water

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(09-04-2013, 11:05 PM)Captain America Wrote:
(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel Wrote: i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.

You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.

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(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson Wrote:
(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.

When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?

I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water

Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?
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He has a stock Garrett rebuilt with a .60 trim compressor housing
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Thanks.
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(09-05-2013, 10:21 AM)85-300D Wrote: Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?

Thank you. And yeah, haha, super badass Garrett T3 with the 60 trim comp wheel lol. You can find the detailed infor on it in the turbo sticky thread. Its the second post

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"What ranges of efficiency can be expected from an intercooler?
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”

Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."


That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.

My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
[Image: null_zps0a3939db.jpg]
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RE: Intercooler picture thread?
One thing you can do with both of them is mist, more of a direct effect on the A/A. The problem with A/W is heatsoak.
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RE: Intercooler picture thread?
Mist?
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Mist means spraying water onto an a/a intercooler and just letting it fall down onto the pavement. See you later heat Wink
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How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
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(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?


well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.

(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?


well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.
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RE: Intercooler picture thread?
(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?

Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,

Where did you get the core for your intercooler?
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Right so there is water injection in the intake (preturbo / pre & postintercooler and also misting on the intercooler itself, which can improve efficiency 20-30% of the intercooler. Injecting directly into the intake is more efficient of course (20% more efficiency at the intercooler will not yield the same results). I already plan on doing direct in the intake. I hit 105 in 4th yesterday and my egts were 1050 or so, my care is loving this cooler climate. In the summer we are 90+ all summer long usually and into the hundreds for a few weeks.
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(09-08-2013, 07:20 AM)JarrusJenkins Wrote: Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,

Where did you get the core for your intercooler?

Ask winmutt, he built it Tongue
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Totally thought I was breaking new ice with my Evo6 intercooler swap into my W210 until I saw the one fitted to the poo brown squaredy Merc in winmutts post further up.

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RE: Intercooler picture thread?
here's some (crappy) pictures of my intercooler setup. I wanted a clean and stealth look. The hoses fit really tight under the headlamp units. There's some adjustment needed. Essentially, everything that stick out under the unit needs to be removed.

[Image: null_zpsfc53fd27.jpg]

[Image: 04B7AD10-054F-4367-AA26-B1D5D8158E3F-747...1380740995]

[Image: 474740EA-1F45-4F13-AC89-93159D833ABA-747...1380740986]

Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great Cool
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RE: Intercooler picture thread?
(09-06-2013, 02:32 PM)MFSuper90 Wrote: "What ranges of efficiency can be expected from an intercooler?
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”

Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."


That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.

My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
[Image: null_zps0a3939db.jpg]

I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face annoyed.

(10-03-2013, 01:11 PM)Tito Wrote: here's some (crappy) pictures of my intercooler setup. I wanted a clean and stealth look. The hoses fit really tight under the headlamp units. There's some adjustment needed. Essentially, everything that stick out under the unit needs to be removed.

[Image: null_zpsfc53fd27.jpg]

[Image: 04B7AD10-054F-4367-AA26-B1D5D8158E3F-747...1380740995]

[Image: 474740EA-1F45-4F13-AC89-93159D833ABA-747...1380740986]

Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great Cool
Looks good
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(10-03-2013, 05:01 PM)lgreeley83 Wrote: I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face

Believe it or not, they weren't that bad. But I am not a very big guy, so I Can fit my little arms and hands in places most guys can't Big Grin
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I like the in front of radiator placement, but some of us still have A/C. Maybe delete the mechanical fan and make it go A/A intercooler -> A/C exchanger ->Radiator -> spal. Deleting the fan in exchange for a spal would make more room to move the radiator closer to the engine. Hmm
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