some noob questions
some noob questions
05-06-2013, 01:18 AM
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05-06-2013, 01:18 AM #1Hi all, new to the world of diesel Mercedes, I have a couple of tdi vw's and a 10v turbo and 20v turbo 5cyl audi so the 5cyl really appeals to me. I have a few questions regarding the om605. I have a 190d with the om602 na, 5speed and would like to upgrade to an om605 turbo. First question is what ip to use? Also is it possible to have around 180hp and retain good economy as it will be a daily driven car. How hard would it be to use the electric pump and ecu? Are the dbw or dbc?
05-06-2013, 02:50 AM
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(05-06-2013, 01:18 AM)00quattro00 I have a 190d with the om602 na, 5speed and would like to upgrade to an om605 turbo. First question is what ip to use? Also is it possible to have around 180hp and retain good economy as it will be a daily driven car. How hard would it be to use the electric pump and ecu? Are the dbw or dbc?The 605 turbo engine is already 150hp I doubt it affect fuel economy much getting an extra 30hp, with the standard pump which is an electronically governed mechanical pump you can get the extra 30hp through chipping but a lot of hassle making it work in a 201, easiest to get the pump from a turbo 602 & swap the larger elements from the 605's pump into it.
Beauty of a diesel with a mechanical pump is that is possible to have massive hp when you want it but when you're not using that power you're not using the extra fuel.
(05-06-2013, 01:18 AM)00quattro00 I have a 190d with the om602 na, 5speed and would like to upgrade to an om605 turbo. First question is what ip to use? Also is it possible to have around 180hp and retain good economy as it will be a daily driven car. How hard would it be to use the electric pump and ecu? Are the dbw or dbc?The 605 turbo engine is already 150hp I doubt it affect fuel economy much getting an extra 30hp, with the standard pump which is an electronically governed mechanical pump you can get the extra 30hp through chipping but a lot of hassle making it work in a 201, easiest to get the pump from a turbo 602 & swap the larger elements from the 605's pump into it.
Beauty of a diesel with a mechanical pump is that is possible to have massive hp when you want it but when you're not using that power you're not using the extra fuel.
05-06-2013, 02:54 AM
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(05-06-2013, 02:50 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 01:18 AM)00quattro00 I have a 190d with the om602 na, 5speed and would like to upgrade to an om605 turbo. First question is what ip to use? Also is it possible to have around 180hp and retain good economy as it will be a daily driven car. How hard would it be to use the electric pump and ecu? Are the dbw or dbc?The 605 turbo engine is already 150hp I doubt it affect fuel economy much getting an extra 30hp, with the standard pump which is an electronically governed mechanical pump you can get the extra 30hp through chipping but a lot of hassle making it work in a 201, easiest to get the pump from a turbo 602 & swap the larger elements from the 605's pump into it.
Beauty of a diesel with a mechanical pump is that is possible to have massive hp when you want it but when you're not using that power you're not using the extra fuel.
ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements? is there a a guide to replacing them? Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from? I am in New Zealand so anything diesel is hard to get here
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05-06-2013, 02:54 AM #3(05-06-2013, 02:50 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 01:18 AM)00quattro00 I have a 190d with the om602 na, 5speed and would like to upgrade to an om605 turbo. First question is what ip to use? Also is it possible to have around 180hp and retain good economy as it will be a daily driven car. How hard would it be to use the electric pump and ecu? Are the dbw or dbc?The 605 turbo engine is already 150hp I doubt it affect fuel economy much getting an extra 30hp, with the standard pump which is an electronically governed mechanical pump you can get the extra 30hp through chipping but a lot of hassle making it work in a 201, easiest to get the pump from a turbo 602 & swap the larger elements from the 605's pump into it.
Beauty of a diesel with a mechanical pump is that is possible to have massive hp when you want it but when you're not using that power you're not using the extra fuel.
ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements? is there a a guide to replacing them? Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from? I am in New Zealand so anything diesel is hard to get here
05-06-2013, 03:13 AM
#4
(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
This post was last modified: 05-06-2013, 03:14 AM by Eric78.
(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
05-06-2013, 03:16 AM
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(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
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05-06-2013, 03:16 AM #5(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
05-06-2013, 03:35 AM
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(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00Got mine for around $300(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
Crap, wish I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more plus It's very hard trying to get stuff through Trade Me if you aren't from NZ, & there seems to be no New Zealanders on ebay.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
This post was last modified: 05-06-2013, 03:37 AM by Eric78.
(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00Got mine for around $300(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 02:54 AM)00quattro00 ok this is going to sound dumb but what are the elements?The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
Quote:is there a a guide to replacing them?There's probably one on here somewhere.
Quote:Also where is the best place to source a 602 turbo ip from?Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
Crap, wish I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more plus It's very hard trying to get stuff through Trade Me if you aren't from NZ, & there seems to be no New Zealanders on ebay.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
05-06-2013, 03:37 AM
#7
(05-06-2013, 03:35 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00Got mine for around $300(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78 The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
There's probably one on here somewhere.
Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
Crap, with I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
I may still look to the uk as I know a guy who imports containers regularly and they are much cheaper over there, mine is a 5speed, will it handle the extra power?
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05-06-2013, 03:37 AM #7(05-06-2013, 03:35 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00Got mine for around $300(05-06-2013, 03:13 AM)Eric78 The plungers inside the pump, one for each cylinder
There's probably one on here somewhere.
Ebay, my 605 turbo(which is still at the customs broker) came from England, my Pump came from the US, that seems to be where most of the turbo charged 190d & 300d 2.5s went.
The 605 is a rare beast, it came in the w202 c250 but it was only in N/A form in Australasia, & the few engines I found locally cost more than my car, or a complete w202 cost twice as much as my car (w201 190d 2.5), the engine I found in England is a turbo & only cost $430, add a bit over a grand on top of that for import/customs.
I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?
Crap, with I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
I may still look to the uk as I know a guy who imports containers regularly and they are much cheaper over there, mine is a 5speed, will it handle the extra power?
05-06-2013, 03:42 AM
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(05-06-2013, 03:37 AM)00quattro00Not sure, I don't know much about Merc manual transmissions, nearly all w123, w124, w201, w202, probably every other chassis too, in Aus were autos, only rarely see manual gear boxes in them here.(05-06-2013, 03:35 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00 I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?Got mine for around $300
Crap, with I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
I may still look to the uk as I know a guy who imports containers regularly and they are much cheaper over there, mine is a 5speed, will it handle the extra power?
(05-06-2013, 03:37 AM)00quattro00Not sure, I don't know much about Merc manual transmissions, nearly all w123, w124, w201, w202, probably every other chassis too, in Aus were autos, only rarely see manual gear boxes in them here.(05-06-2013, 03:35 AM)Eric78(05-06-2013, 03:16 AM)00quattro00 I can get a complete low km 605 turbo locally for $2knz so not too bad, will look to the us for the pump, what is the going rate for a pump?Got mine for around $300
Crap, with I knew the there were turbo 605s in NZ, would have been easier, although looks like it might cost more.
If you get the transmission that comes with the 605 it should be good for the extra 30hp.
If your 190d is an auto that transmission probably won't hold what is effectively double the power the car came with.
I may still look to the uk as I know a guy who imports containers regularly and they are much cheaper over there, mine is a 5speed, will it handle the extra power?
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