well introductions are in order!
well introductions are in order!
I have been lurking here for a while, and i must say, you boys seem to be on the right track to power. Thank all of you for the great input the collective has produced and stored here.
I, first am on the path to repair and recovery, as you can see in my sig i own a few om617 powered cars, one is planned for a fox body transplant, and hopefully a corvette 6spd. the other two are dailys. while i would love to smoke the "TUNERS" of this town with a 30+ year old 4000lb diesel tomorrow,but i under stand that first it needs to run right (first taking care of the lack of maintenance). i am hoping that with this boards that help by the SCHEID DIESEL TRUCK SHOW this year i can have at least one that is pushing close to 165-175HPish. and i hoping to do this with stock ( but modified) injection pump, new nozzles on injectors, (still looking into buying a pressure tester) stock turbo (boost turned up) intercooler, and water/meth. does this sound reasonable? and the proper gauges to watch engine temps, boost and maybe tranny and oil temps. oh and egr, arv, and alda delete. thanks for all the great info guys keep up the solid work.
Now some one start buying up MW pumps and send about 150-200 of them off to a machine shop to be done up with some 7.5 mm plungers already so there can be a bulk discount and they can be sold for less then a couple grand each! lol
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
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1911diesel
05-04-2013, 10:05 AM #1Hello all, on the SUPERTURBODIESEL forum! My name is wayne, and i am new to this board, but not diesels. I am a member of a few different forums (benz and ford) and i have realized that the forums with some of the best repair and maintenance help dont like it when you start talking about "performance" and "modification".
I have been lurking here for a while, and i must say, you boys seem to be on the right track to power. Thank all of you for the great input the collective has produced and stored here.
I, first am on the path to repair and recovery, as you can see in my sig i own a few om617 powered cars, one is planned for a fox body transplant, and hopefully a corvette 6spd. the other two are dailys. while i would love to smoke the "TUNERS" of this town with a 30+ year old 4000lb diesel tomorrow,but i under stand that first it needs to run right (first taking care of the lack of maintenance). i am hoping that with this boards that help by the SCHEID DIESEL TRUCK SHOW this year i can have at least one that is pushing close to 165-175HPish. and i hoping to do this with stock ( but modified) injection pump, new nozzles on injectors, (still looking into buying a pressure tester) stock turbo (boost turned up) intercooler, and water/meth. does this sound reasonable? and the proper gauges to watch engine temps, boost and maybe tranny and oil temps. oh and egr, arv, and alda delete. thanks for all the great info guys keep up the solid work.
Now some one start buying up MW pumps and send about 150-200 of them off to a machine shop to be done up with some 7.5 mm plungers already so there can be a bulk discount and they can be sold for less then a couple grand each! lol
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
Why an OM617 for the beercan?
An OM602 would easily hit the 200hp mark, fit as well or better in the engine bay than an OM617, be lighter, run quieter and be more fuel efficient.
raysorenson
05-06-2013, 02:01 PM #2[waves]
Why an OM617 for the beercan? An OM602 would easily hit the 200hp mark, fit as well or better in the engine bay than an OM617, be lighter, run quieter and be more fuel efficient.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-06-2013, 08:18 PM #3hummm uhhh cause i cheap, and i have a few om617s to play with... and im under the understanding that with the right mods done to the ip, on stock plungers 200 is obtainable. with proper egt control.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates
(05-06-2013, 08:47 PM)bricktron do it...
that is the plan, but first general maintenance that has been lacking needs taken care of first. i do love these cars, and only plan to be hard on one. the other two are dailies.
while i dont have close access to a dyno, every year for the diesel show, one is brought into town. i hope to get vid of the run. even if its not 200 being close would tickle me pink.
well guess who feels like a dumb a$$, for someone who feels like he does his research, i failed... 175...haha. whatever. i thought i read somewhere about a cut delivery valve or something. but anyways. 175 would be just fine...
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-06-2013, 09:01 PM #5(05-06-2013, 08:47 PM)bricktron do it...
that is the plan, but first general maintenance that has been lacking needs taken care of first. i do love these cars, and only plan to be hard on one. the other two are dailies.
while i dont have close access to a dyno, every year for the diesel show, one is brought into town. i hope to get vid of the run. even if its not 200 being close would tickle me pink.
well guess who feels like a dumb a$$, for someone who feels like he does his research, i failed... 175...haha. whatever. i thought i read somewhere about a cut delivery valve or something. but anyways. 175 would be just fine...
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
Still, if you're going through the trouble of a 6 speed corvette trans (rear axle C5?), it seems like a more rev-happy OM60x would work better with all those gears. Either way, go for it!
raysorenson
05-06-2013, 09:44 PM #6An OM617 will hit 200 on 5.5 elements? That's cool. I'd be very pleased to hit 200hp on my 4x4 project with a stock MW pump.
Still, if you're going through the trouble of a 6 speed corvette trans (rear axle C5?), it seems like a more rev-happy OM60x would work better with all those gears. Either way, go for it!
(05-06-2013, 09:44 PM)raysorenson An OM617 will hit 200 on 5.5 elements? That's cool. I'd be very pleased to hit 200hp on my 4x4 project with a stock MW pump.
Still, if you're going through the trouble of a 6 speed corvette trans (rear axle C5?), it seems like a more rev-happy OM60x would work better with all those gears. Either way, go for it!
yes yes 200 haha i edited it, i shot my mouth off before i did my research. what i should have said was max out put on stock pump. there is that better. i smoke when i come home and some times it bleeds into my typing and thinking...
i was really just trying to thank every one for the collection of info here and all the trial and error i (hopefully) wont have to go thru. thanks guys!
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-06-2013, 09:48 PM #7(05-06-2013, 09:44 PM)raysorenson An OM617 will hit 200 on 5.5 elements? That's cool. I'd be very pleased to hit 200hp on my 4x4 project with a stock MW pump.
Still, if you're going through the trouble of a 6 speed corvette trans (rear axle C5?), it seems like a more rev-happy OM60x would work better with all those gears. Either way, go for it!
yes yes 200 haha i edited it, i shot my mouth off before i did my research. what i should have said was max out put on stock pump. there is that better. i smoke when i come home and some times it bleeds into my typing and thinking...
i was really just trying to thank every one for the collection of info here and all the trial and error i (hopefully) wont have to go thru. thanks guys!
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-07-2013, 10:02 AM #8You're looking at 140 "fairly easily" tweaking the pump, maybe more. I'd be interested to see what a light cut (5 thou?)on some DVs would do-the threads I've read have all taken a huge amount off.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-07-2013, 10:02 AM)Simpler=Better You're looking at 140 "fairly easily" tweaking the pump, maybe more. I'd be interested to see what a light cut (5 thou?)on some DVs would do-the threads I've read have all taken a huge amount off.
I'm thinking the same thing...
Man I wish I had a flow bench!
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(05-07-2013, 10:02 AM)Simpler=Better You're looking at 140 "fairly easily" tweaking the pump, maybe more. I'd be interested to see what a light cut (5 thou?)on some DVs would do-the threads I've read have all taken a huge amount off.
I'm thinking the same thing...
Man I wish I had a flow bench!
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
A manifold flower can be made from a shop vac and a vacuum gauge
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-07-2013, 02:41 PM #10A pump flow bench or an IP flow bench? An IP flow bench is "simple" the tricky part is setting up a stepper motor to turn a specific # of revolutions, at specific speeds, and do it on command. Aft that it's playing with screws.
A manifold flower can be made from a shop vac and a vacuum gauge
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
IP flow bench. I wish more that I had a close friend with a IP shop and all the goodies to go with it
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-08-2013, 07:28 PM #12that would be sweet! im not even sure where the local shops send their IDI IPs off to be done. no one around here seems to want to touch an IDI anything. CUMMINS is big around here. I saw an ad on craigslist for a shop in IL somewhere, that did tractors and IDIs, i wish i remembered where or the number. i would call and ask how much it was to have one thrown on the bench.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
But finding a good pump shop in the states seems to get harder and harder everyday.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
An IP is an IP though. Shouldn't matter whether its direct or indirect, any experienced pump shop should be able to do it no problem.
But finding a good pump shop in the states seems to get harder and harder everyday.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-09-2013, 08:18 AM #14I'm no expert, but in my eyes the trouble is that with our pumps there are 5 elements instead of just 1. So you need to balance all 5, unlike a rotary pump where you just set the 1 element and forget it.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
And when i say they dont want to mess with IDIs, i mean they dont like to work on them. and if and when they do, its not cheap. im glad that i work on all my own cars/truck.
my understanding of a DB2 injection pump in the Ford IDIs (6.9, 7.3) and Chevy IDIs (6.2, 6.5) (different housing and one spins a different direction, but very similar internals) is that they have 2 plungers, and their both rotary pumps. Thats why the fabled DB4 (marine 6.2 Chevy IP) is so sought after. There is a guy on the Ford forums that has got his hands on some and is putting the internals in a ford housing with promising results. (dyno vids) I was thinking about asking for his input on our dilemma with the MW pumps.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-09-2013, 12:08 PM #15i dont know anything about balancing pumps, and the places around here except Schied (i think, maybe even Schied) send their pumps off to be rebuilt and balanced.
And when i say they dont want to mess with IDIs, i mean they dont like to work on them. and if and when they do, its not cheap. im glad that i work on all my own cars/truck.
my understanding of a DB2 injection pump in the Ford IDIs (6.9, 7.3) and Chevy IDIs (6.2, 6.5) (different housing and one spins a different direction, but very similar internals) is that they have 2 plungers, and their both rotary pumps. Thats why the fabled DB4 (marine 6.2 Chevy IP) is so sought after. There is a guy on the Ford forums that has got his hands on some and is putting the internals in a ford housing with promising results. (dyno vids) I was thinking about asking for his input on our dilemma with the MW pumps.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
Five? not so much
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
The whole 5 cyl. thing does kind of eff all of us. If they were fours or sixs there are more then plenty of pump options to go to.
Five? not so much
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(05-12-2013, 06:55 AM)MFSuper90 The whole 5 cyl. thing does kind of eff all of us. If they were fours or sixs there are more then plenty of pump options to go to.
Five? not so much
Yeah but i really love the I5 setup, people who have no idea what it is go, huh 5 cylinder? turbo diesel? what? mercedes? huh?
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-12-2013, 05:19 PM #17(05-12-2013, 06:55 AM)MFSuper90 The whole 5 cyl. thing does kind of eff all of us. If they were fours or sixs there are more then plenty of pump options to go to.
Five? not so much
Yeah but i really love the I5 setup, people who have no idea what it is go, huh 5 cylinder? turbo diesel? what? mercedes? huh?
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-13-2013, 08:16 AM #18Adapt a 6 cyl pump, and get a custom camshaft made for it to fix the timing.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-13-2013, 08:16 AM)Simpler=Better Adapt a 6 cyl pump, and get a custom camshaft made for it to fix the timing.
man that sounds like a whole lot more work then just building a 5 cyl pump that will handle what you want...
what happened to simpler is better???
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
05-13-2013, 04:07 PM #19(05-13-2013, 08:16 AM)Simpler=Better Adapt a 6 cyl pump, and get a custom camshaft made for it to fix the timing.
man that sounds like a whole lot more work then just building a 5 cyl pump that will handle what you want...
what happened to simpler is better???
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
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