717.400 w123 consolidated info crossmember, shifter, linkage
717.400 w123 consolidated info crossmember, shifter, linkage
Im in the predicament of having this trans but missing the good stuff.
-What crossmember works with my trans next to a 617 in a w123. How hard is it to find that one? Any part numbers? pictures?
-The shifter anybody got a part #? I've read that a different shifter may work. Any experience in using the other shifer?
I have a shifter pn 124 267 01 40, i wonder if it will work.
pattern
---1--3--5
R--2--4
-Linkage, anybody got the part numbers.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
04-13-2013, 07:51 AM #1I need some sound tech advice. I have read a lot but the info is in 100 different places and conflicting.
Im in the predicament of having this trans but missing the good stuff.
-What crossmember works with my trans next to a 617 in a w123. How hard is it to find that one? Any part numbers? pictures?
-The shifter anybody got a part #? I've read that a different shifter may work. Any experience in using the other shifer?
I have a shifter pn 124 267 01 40, i wonder if it will work.
pattern
---1--3--5
R--2--4
-Linkage, anybody got the part numbers.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
Here's the X-member page
http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...4_11248_02
Looks like it's a 1232422601. A little pricey. I'd look into modding the one you have.
123033 5 speed shifter page http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...33_/26_030
It pretty much shares zero in common with the 123033 4 speed shifter not even the rods, which rules out modding a 4 speed 123 shifter. 4 speed shifter page http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...33_/26_015
I'm not sure if your 124 shifter will work. It should make for some goofy shifting if you had to work the reverse lockout every time you went into 2nd, as you can see from the shift pattern on the 5 speed shifter page.
The floor shift from this 201.024 w/717.411 shares the same shift pattern with your 717.400 http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...24_/26_030
raysorenson
04-13-2013, 08:49 AM #2I was looking into this when you posted in FS about your shifter issue. That sucks. The 124 and 201 shifters have a bunch of 201 part#s but the 123 5 speed shifter is all w123 stuff. The 123033 was the first model I found that used the 717.400 trans.
Here's the X-member page
http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...4_11248_02
Looks like it's a 1232422601. A little pricey. I'd look into modding the one you have.
123033 5 speed shifter page http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...33_/26_030
It pretty much shares zero in common with the 123033 4 speed shifter not even the rods, which rules out modding a 4 speed 123 shifter. 4 speed shifter page http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...33_/26_015
I'm not sure if your 124 shifter will work. It should make for some goofy shifting if you had to work the reverse lockout every time you went into 2nd, as you can see from the shift pattern on the 5 speed shifter page.
The floor shift from this 201.024 w/717.411 shares the same shift pattern with your 717.400 http://www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__1_...24_/26_030
Lol anybody want to buy my shifter? That would make for some slow shifting with the getrag. I may have to experiment with that other 201 shifter than. That must be what people were talking about when using the 201 shifter. Apparently the passenger side holes line up, i would just have to drill two holes for the driver's side. Being that I have no linkage i would have to fiddle with it anyhow. At least that's what the word on the street is.
Disagreements? Failed attempts?
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
04-13-2013, 10:40 AM #3Thanks ray. It wouldn't load the price for me did you call?
Lol anybody want to buy my shifter? That would make for some slow shifting with the getrag. I may have to experiment with that other 201 shifter than. That must be what people were talking about when using the 201 shifter. Apparently the passenger side holes line up, i would just have to drill two holes for the driver's side. Being that I have no linkage i would have to fiddle with it anyhow. At least that's what the word on the street is.
Disagreements? Failed attempts?
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
04-13-2013, 11:52 AM #4Ok google helped with price. I see 100-127 Do we know if the x member is the same used in an automatic wagon? Some have hinted at that. I am not skilled enough with the epc to figure it out. Thanks again.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
I got a 1232422801 for the X-member on a wagon and sedan.
raysorenson
04-13-2013, 02:53 PM #5Yeah, I do best just googling the PT# without dashes or spaces.
I got a 1232422801 for the X-member on a wagon and sedan.
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RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Lutz on Peachparts might have what you're looking for.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
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w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
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swampmonkey
10-03-2013, 05:11 PM #7what engine did the 717.400 come from?
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
10-03-2013, 09:04 PM #8I'd say if you found a block starting with 616 or 617 you are on the right track. Passenger side starter. I forget but maybe one model of gasser.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
Is the linkage the same for each different design. Flatback vs. Slopeback design?
I have everything for a 4 speed swap from a donor 83 300D euro car, except the 3 shifter arms that attach to the transmission and link up with the long rods that come from the shifter. I believe I am looking for the arms under part # 146 and 149. 2@146 and 1@149 in the diagram on the link above. post#2
I found a flat back 4 speed that was behind a 2.0L diesel in a 1973 200D. I am wondering if those arms would swap onto this slantback 1983 eoro donor car, since they are missing?
4speed manual transmission....on the three piece iron bodied transmissions.
Is the linkage the same for each different design. Flatback vs. Slopeback design?
I have everything for a 4 speed swap from a donor 83 300D euro car, except the 3 shifter arms that attach to the transmission and link up with the long rods that come from the shifter. I believe I am looking for the arms under part # 146 and 149. 2@146 and 1@149 in the diagram on the link above. post#2
I found a flat back 4 speed that was behind a 2.0L diesel in a 1973 200D. I am wondering if those arms would swap onto this slantback 1983 eoro donor car, since they are missing?
On my 240 I used an automatic shifter rod, and a couple spare extra 115 rods. You can cut, play, and bend these perfect if you get a good shifter.
Sounds like the 201 chassis might work
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
the shifter is the big one, once you have that, the rods you can manufacture out of random shifter rods.
On my 240 I used an automatic shifter rod, and a couple spare extra 115 rods. You can cut, play, and bend these perfect if you get a good shifter.
Sounds like the 201 chassis might work
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
11-23-2013, 06:48 PM #11I have a shifter/rod setup from both the 201 and 123 at home. Im at work now, but will be off tomorrow morning. I have some work to do in the garage so hopefully Ill remember to check/take pics comparing the 2 setups...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
The rods I have came from the same euro donor 617n/a car the transmission, flywheel, shifter peddles, driveshaft came from. The donor car was missing those arms on the transmission...the rods were just hanging from the shifter not connected to anything when I got the car. I don't believe that I will have to modify these rods since they are from a 300d car and are going into a 300d car (albeit a wagon). I just need the arms...146 and 149 in the picture on post #2 of this thread. Since there are three of them, it looks like I will need two of the arms pictured as #146 and one arm pictured #149. Are these arms the same between the slope-back and the flat-back iron 4 speeds?
I have everything needed for what I believe to be a plug and play bolt in conversion for my 300d wagon except these arms. Thanks, guys.
I have the correct shifter and even the rods that connect to the shifter itself. What I am missing is on the other end of the rods....small arms that attach the rods to the transmission itself. These arms would attach to the three stubs sticking out the side of the transmission...that move the synchros.
The rods I have came from the same euro donor 617n/a car the transmission, flywheel, shifter peddles, driveshaft came from. The donor car was missing those arms on the transmission...the rods were just hanging from the shifter not connected to anything when I got the car. I don't believe that I will have to modify these rods since they are from a 300d car and are going into a 300d car (albeit a wagon). I just need the arms...146 and 149 in the picture on post #2 of this thread. Since there are three of them, it looks like I will need two of the arms pictured as #146 and one arm pictured #149. Are these arms the same between the slope-back and the flat-back iron 4 speeds?
I have everything needed for what I believe to be a plug and play bolt in conversion for my 300d wagon except these arms. Thanks, guys.
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