tomnik elements!
tomnik elements!
03-29-2013, 10:39 PM
#4
(03-29-2013, 07:50 PM)Eric78(03-29-2013, 03:03 PM)majesty78 Tom is no more active in this forum.
Yeah, even disabled all contact links.
He's with Elvis...
Austincarnut
03-29-2013, 10:39 PM #4(03-29-2013, 07:50 PM)Eric78(03-29-2013, 03:03 PM)majesty78 Tom is no more active in this forum.
Yeah, even disabled all contact links.
He's with Elvis...
03-30-2013, 02:48 PM
#5
(03-29-2013, 10:39 PM)Austincarnut(03-29-2013, 07:50 PM)Eric78(03-29-2013, 03:03 PM)majesty78 Tom is no more active in this forum.
Yeah, even disabled all contact links.
He's with Elvis...
Are you kidding?
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
(03-29-2013, 10:39 PM)Austincarnut(03-29-2013, 07:50 PM)Eric78(03-29-2013, 03:03 PM)majesty78 Tom is no more active in this forum.
Yeah, even disabled all contact links.
He's with Elvis...
Are you kidding?
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
03-31-2013, 09:02 AM
#6
(03-30-2013, 02:48 PM)majesty78(03-29-2013, 10:39 PM)Austincarnut(03-29-2013, 07:50 PM)Eric78 Yeah, even disabled all contact links.
He's with Elvis...
Are you kidding?
I have talked to Tomnik a few days ago. He is fine but very busy.
Gruß
Volker
03-31-2013, 02:56 PM
#7
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
03-31-2013, 02:56 PM #7Bartending on an island for Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Kurt Cobain, Tupac, and Biggie
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
02-06-2015, 10:45 PM
#8
(03-31-2013, 09:02 AM)Volker407(03-30-2013, 02:48 PM)majesty78(03-29-2013, 10:39 PM)Austincarnut He's with Elvis...
Are you kidding?
I have talked to Tomnik a few days ago. He is fine but very busy.
Gruß
Volker
Great. So for an MW it looks like dieselmeken is the only option? Except no one has actually been able to buy a pump from him. So has everyone pretty much collectively given up on modding MW pumps for the moment?
atypicalguy
02-06-2015, 10:45 PM #8(03-31-2013, 09:02 AM)Volker407(03-30-2013, 02:48 PM)majesty78(03-29-2013, 10:39 PM)Austincarnut He's with Elvis...
Are you kidding?
I have talked to Tomnik a few days ago. He is fine but very busy.
Gruß
Volker
Great. So for an MW it looks like dieselmeken is the only option? Except no one has actually been able to buy a pump from him. So has everyone pretty much collectively given up on modding MW pumps for the moment?
02-06-2015, 11:12 PM
#9
english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates
what happened to that shop in san diego (?) that was trying to bring these to market?
english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates
02-07-2015, 12:50 AM
#10
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
02-07-2015, 12:50 AM #10Dieselmeken is working on MW pump elements and says he'll send some to the shop in SoCal, for now they can only do M pumps though
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
02-07-2015, 01:06 AM
#11
atypicalguy
02-07-2015, 01:06 AM #11Ok great. So far no mw pumps and no mw elements and no timeframe. Are we talking a year?
02-08-2015, 02:33 PM
#13
What shop can build the m pump? Ppp diesel? Myna? Other? And do they have an alda?
atypicalguy
02-08-2015, 02:33 PM #13Apparently the switxh from mw requires new injection lines. Anyone know where to get them? Or do I bend them myself?
What shop can build the m pump? Ppp diesel? Myna? Other? And do they have an alda?
02-08-2015, 02:40 PM
#14
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Dieselmeken can set you up, no problem. He has done a lot of MW pumps.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
02-08-2015, 03:30 PM
#15
raysorenson
02-08-2015, 03:30 PM #15Don't you also have to get throttle linkage for the M pump swap? And what if you want to keep cruise control?
02-09-2015, 02:50 AM
#16
(02-08-2015, 02:40 PM)F.R.A.S Dieselmeken can set you up, no problem. He has done a lot of MW pumps.
Ok great. The only one he has posted about had stalling issues, and no one else here seems to have one to report on. So who has bought all these MW pumps? Last time I emailed dieselmeken he was still thinking about putting some more together.
Do you have a jig for an om617 turbo exhaust manifold? Like the one in the oldtimer JTY thread. I emailed kkd but they do not have a jig for the one they built for jty.
atypicalguy
02-09-2015, 02:50 AM #16(02-08-2015, 02:40 PM)F.R.A.S Dieselmeken can set you up, no problem. He has done a lot of MW pumps.
Ok great. The only one he has posted about had stalling issues, and no one else here seems to have one to report on. So who has bought all these MW pumps? Last time I emailed dieselmeken he was still thinking about putting some more together.
Do you have a jig for an om617 turbo exhaust manifold? Like the one in the oldtimer JTY thread. I emailed kkd but they do not have a jig for the one they built for jty.
02-09-2015, 03:38 AM
#17
Here's a dieselmeken superpump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhHnADr70w8
OM617 with 7.5mm m pumps are all over the internet.
I think but i am not 100% sure is that for the M you only have to change a part of the linkage, most of it stays in place.
That was forced's pump, not built by a shop that has done anything similar.
Here's a dieselmeken superpump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhHnADr70w8
OM617 with 7.5mm m pumps are all over the internet.
I think but i am not 100% sure is that for the M you only have to change a part of the linkage, most of it stays in place.
02-09-2015, 04:32 AM
#18
atypicalguy
02-09-2015, 04:32 AM #18Watching youtube videos and putting one on your car are two different things. Its great if you have someone close who can show you how to mount an m pump but that is not the case for me. I would take an mw pump if I can get one, but so far i think the only mw pump goran has posted about went onto a gwagen in norway and had some issues. At least according to his facebook. I dont know anything about forced's pump.
02-09-2015, 06:52 AM
#19
There are no "kits" for these cars, you can't just buy a ton of "bolt on" parts and make your 617 go fast, practically everything has to be made/figured out/fabricated by you.
Dieselmeken (or myna, or ppd, or herlevi) M-pumps are proven, and they work great. I know, I have one.
If you want to "go fast" bad enough, you'll figure it out. If not, you're at the mercy of Goran's busy schedule. He said several times that the MW pump project is just that, a side project.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
02-09-2015, 06:52 AM #19Atypicalguy, the people here are trying to help and answering your questions, there's no need to be so abrasive. Nobody owes you anything.
There are no "kits" for these cars, you can't just buy a ton of "bolt on" parts and make your 617 go fast, practically everything has to be made/figured out/fabricated by you.
Dieselmeken (or myna, or ppd, or herlevi) M-pumps are proven, and they work great. I know, I have one.
If you want to "go fast" bad enough, you'll figure it out. If not, you're at the mercy of Goran's busy schedule. He said several times that the MW pump project is just that, a side project.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
02-09-2015, 05:44 PM
#20
So we go from bolting the mw pump on and timing/tuning it to rebuilding throttle linkages and fuel lines and ??? I can handle the former. I dont know exactly what is involved in the m pump job and I dont plan to have the car apart for weeks figuring this out. I think it is reasonable to try to figure out from guys like you who have done it what the job looks like and specifically what it requires. This is basic project planning. It is also important for financial planning the acquisition of all the required items. Its great that you have one. Like me, Raysorenson appears to also not know precisely what is involved in retrofitting one to an mw pump car. It would be great to see a writeup. I have only started to look into it as people have been talking about mw superpumps as a reality when in fact anyone serious about doing this really needs to be thinking m.
atypicalguy
02-09-2015, 05:44 PM #20I am only trying to differentiate fact from fiction. Right now an mw pump from goran is fiction. Im sure he is capable and seems to be farther along in the project than anyone else at the moment. But nobody has one. If someone did, I would love to hear from them about it. But so far statements like "dieselmeken has done several mw pumps" appear to be false, unless they are keepibg them all to themselves.
So we go from bolting the mw pump on and timing/tuning it to rebuilding throttle linkages and fuel lines and ??? I can handle the former. I dont know exactly what is involved in the m pump job and I dont plan to have the car apart for weeks figuring this out. I think it is reasonable to try to figure out from guys like you who have done it what the job looks like and specifically what it requires. This is basic project planning. It is also important for financial planning the acquisition of all the required items. Its great that you have one. Like me, Raysorenson appears to also not know precisely what is involved in retrofitting one to an mw pump car. It would be great to see a writeup. I have only started to look into it as people have been talking about mw superpumps as a reality when in fact anyone serious about doing this really needs to be thinking m.
02-09-2015, 06:48 PM
#21
Personally, I'll wait for an MW element indefinitely. I can live with stockish power. If an element comes out and I still have a 617 powered vehicle, yipee.
raysorenson
02-09-2015, 06:48 PM #21Correct. No MW elements available that are worth having.
Personally, I'll wait for an MW element indefinitely. I can live with stockish power. If an element comes out and I still have a 617 powered vehicle, yipee.
02-09-2015, 07:56 PM
#22
(02-09-2015, 05:44 PM)atypicalguy I am only trying to differentiate fact from fiction. Right now an mw pump from goran is fiction. Im sure he is capable and seems to be farther along in the project than anyone else at the moment. But nobody has one. If someone did, I would love to hear from them about it. But so far statements like "dieselmeken has done several mw pumps" appear to be false, unless they are keepibg them all to themselves.hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!
So we go from bolting the mw pump on and timing/tuning it to rebuilding throttle linkages and fuel lines and ??? I can handle the former. I dont know exactly what is involved in the m pump job and I dont plan to have the car apart for weeks figuring this out. I think it is reasonable to try to figure out from guys like you who have done it what the job looks like and specifically what it requires. This is basic project planning. It is also important for financial planning the acquisition of all the required items. Its great that you have one. Like me, Raysorenson appears to also not know precisely what is involved in retrofitting one to an mw pump car. It would be great to see a writeup. I have only started to look into it as people have been talking about mw superpumps as a reality when in fact anyone serious about doing this really needs to be thinking m.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
FD,
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(02-09-2015, 05:44 PM)atypicalguy I am only trying to differentiate fact from fiction. Right now an mw pump from goran is fiction. Im sure he is capable and seems to be farther along in the project than anyone else at the moment. But nobody has one. If someone did, I would love to hear from them about it. But so far statements like "dieselmeken has done several mw pumps" appear to be false, unless they are keepibg them all to themselves.hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!
So we go from bolting the mw pump on and timing/tuning it to rebuilding throttle linkages and fuel lines and ??? I can handle the former. I dont know exactly what is involved in the m pump job and I dont plan to have the car apart for weeks figuring this out. I think it is reasonable to try to figure out from guys like you who have done it what the job looks like and specifically what it requires. This is basic project planning. It is also important for financial planning the acquisition of all the required items. Its great that you have one. Like me, Raysorenson appears to also not know precisely what is involved in retrofitting one to an mw pump car. It would be great to see a writeup. I have only started to look into it as people have been talking about mw superpumps as a reality when in fact anyone serious about doing this really needs to be thinking m.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
FD,
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02-10-2015, 10:25 AM
#24
The cost of going to a modded M pump on an MW OM617 is just stupid. It's a $250 USD motor.
raysorenson
02-10-2015, 10:25 AM #24Great. I didn't want to come out and ask you on the board. This is good news.
The cost of going to a modded M pump on an MW OM617 is just stupid. It's a $250 USD motor.
02-10-2015, 10:33 AM
#25
Buying an old big block from a truck ($250)
-Buying fancy ass intake (200)
-Fancy headers(200)
-Fancy carb (200)
-Fancy ignition (200)
-Fancy cam (200+)
Gotta pay to play?
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-10-2015, 10:33 AM #25I know it's expensive, but think of it like this:
Buying an old big block from a truck ($250)
-Buying fancy ass intake (200)
-Fancy headers(200)
-Fancy carb (200)
-Fancy ignition (200)
-Fancy cam (200+)
Gotta pay to play?
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
02-10-2015, 11:07 AM
#26
In my head, the cost of obtaining and modding and M pump for a 617 puts me in 603 swap territory.
raysorenson
02-10-2015, 11:07 AM #26I understand that line of reasoning. I certainly pay and play my fair share.
In my head, the cost of obtaining and modding and M pump for a 617 puts me in 603 swap territory.
02-10-2015, 06:11 PM
#27
(02-09-2015, 02:50 AM)atypicalguy(02-08-2015, 02:40 PM)F.R.A.S Dieselmeken can set you up, no problem. He has done a lot of MW pumps.
Ok great. The only one he has posted about had stalling issues, and no one else here seems to have one to report on. So who has bought all these MW pumps? Last time I emailed dieselmeken he was still thinking about putting some more together.
Do you have a jig for an om617 turbo exhaust manifold? Like the one in the oldtimer JTY thread. I emailed kkd but they do not have a jig for the one they built for jty.
We don't do jig
eveverything we do is unique and hand built to customer spec. Sure we can build an exhaust manifold for the om617. Just send me a message and we take it from there.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
(02-09-2015, 02:50 AM)atypicalguy(02-08-2015, 02:40 PM)F.R.A.S Dieselmeken can set you up, no problem. He has done a lot of MW pumps.
Ok great. The only one he has posted about had stalling issues, and no one else here seems to have one to report on. So who has bought all these MW pumps? Last time I emailed dieselmeken he was still thinking about putting some more together.
Do you have a jig for an om617 turbo exhaust manifold? Like the one in the oldtimer JTY thread. I emailed kkd but they do not have a jig for the one they built for jty.
We don't do jig
eveverything we do is unique and hand built to customer spec. Sure we can build an exhaust manifold for the om617. Just send me a message and we take it from there.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
03-09-2015, 05:05 AM
#28
(02-09-2015, 07:56 PM)barrote hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!Thanks for that information; it is good to know.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
When you have no m pump motor to look at, nothing is basic. I have never seen a motor with that pump. I need to buy the parts I need online somehow, then pull the pump off and get it running again in an afternoon.
led-panzer, the whole "if you want to go fast bad enough you will figure it out" routine is sort of lame. First, I don't want to go fast. Nothing about a 123 wagon is fast. Second, only a fool would spend 2k on a pump from sweden or finland without trying to understand what is involved in getting it running on a car. Third, well, I'll let you know when it's on the car.
This post was last modified: 03-09-2015, 05:07 AM by atypicalguy.
atypicalguy
03-09-2015, 05:05 AM #28(02-09-2015, 07:56 PM)barrote hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!Thanks for that information; it is good to know.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
When you have no m pump motor to look at, nothing is basic. I have never seen a motor with that pump. I need to buy the parts I need online somehow, then pull the pump off and get it running again in an afternoon.
led-panzer, the whole "if you want to go fast bad enough you will figure it out" routine is sort of lame. First, I don't want to go fast. Nothing about a 123 wagon is fast. Second, only a fool would spend 2k on a pump from sweden or finland without trying to understand what is involved in getting it running on a car. Third, well, I'll let you know when it's on the car.
03-09-2015, 05:54 AM
#29
This post was last modified: 03-09-2015, 05:56 AM by F.R.A.S.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Why not get a tuned MW pump from Sweden? Then it's a direct swap. Why the hell go M pump on a MW-engine?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
03-09-2015, 06:32 AM
#30
(03-09-2015, 05:05 AM)atypicalguy(02-09-2015, 07:56 PM)barrote hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!Thanks for that information; it is good to know.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
When you have no m pump motor to look at, nothing is basic. I have never seen a motor with that pump. I need to buy the parts I need online somehow, then pull the pump off and get it running again in an afternoon.
led-panzer, the whole "if you want to go fast bad enough you will figure it out" routine is sort of lame. First, I don't want to go fast. Nothing about a 123 wagon is fast. Second, only a fool would spend 2k on a pump from sweden or finland without trying to understand what is involved in getting it running on a car. Third, well, I'll let you know when it's on the car.
An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.
Really the only thing that you have to come up with is a throttle linkage. For someone planning to swap a Holset turbo onto a 617, you can't figure out how to adjust linkages? As barrote said, it's basic tuning.
If the only way you can swap a modified pump is if it's an MW, then you'll have to wait patiently. That was my point.
Lame or not, this is a superturbo forum. If you're not here to "go fast" then why are you here?
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
03-09-2015, 06:32 AM #30(03-09-2015, 05:05 AM)atypicalguy(02-09-2015, 07:56 PM)barrote hehehe , changing a 61X engine to a m pump is basic tunning , BASIC TUNING, hehe there are lots of stock engines LOTS with that pump, that was what people was trying to say!!!Thanks for that information; it is good to know.
Yep i do now understand why the throtle linkage is a major problema
When you have no m pump motor to look at, nothing is basic. I have never seen a motor with that pump. I need to buy the parts I need online somehow, then pull the pump off and get it running again in an afternoon.
led-panzer, the whole "if you want to go fast bad enough you will figure it out" routine is sort of lame. First, I don't want to go fast. Nothing about a 123 wagon is fast. Second, only a fool would spend 2k on a pump from sweden or finland without trying to understand what is involved in getting it running on a car. Third, well, I'll let you know when it's on the car.
An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.
Really the only thing that you have to come up with is a throttle linkage. For someone planning to swap a Holset turbo onto a 617, you can't figure out how to adjust linkages? As barrote said, it's basic tuning.
If the only way you can swap a modified pump is if it's an MW, then you'll have to wait patiently. That was my point.
Lame or not, this is a superturbo forum. If you're not here to "go fast" then why are you here?
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
03-09-2015, 02:22 PM
#31
Pump linkage Adjustment is not a problem, but peopke say I need a new one. Having never seen pump in question I have trouble visualizing the job. If the linkage is something I can get from another car, I will do that. If it involves fabbing some stuff up with trial and error and ordering rod ends from mcmaster, then a pump switch will take longer than a weekend and I need to plan to be without the car. Im slow. What can I say. Maybe I need to google which cars came with m pump and try to find one locally.
I was planning to fab the exhaust manifold but will get a price ftom fras.
My motor needs some work. I am just using the opportunity to upgrade a few things...like maybe the rods and head gasket and turbo and manifolds and pump. Anybody oversize their valves besides jty?
If I wanted to "go fast" I would get another car.
atypicalguy
03-09-2015, 02:22 PM #31I can weld well enough and plumb oil supply and return lines and bolt manifolds on. The turbo exhaust plate im making should bolt to the existing flex pipe.
Pump linkage Adjustment is not a problem, but peopke say I need a new one. Having never seen pump in question I have trouble visualizing the job. If the linkage is something I can get from another car, I will do that. If it involves fabbing some stuff up with trial and error and ordering rod ends from mcmaster, then a pump switch will take longer than a weekend and I need to plan to be without the car. Im slow. What can I say. Maybe I need to google which cars came with m pump and try to find one locally.
I was planning to fab the exhaust manifold but will get a price ftom fras.
My motor needs some work. I am just using the opportunity to upgrade a few things...like maybe the rods and head gasket and turbo and manifolds and pump. Anybody oversize their valves besides jty?
If I wanted to "go fast" I would get another car.
03-09-2015, 02:58 PM
#32
(03-09-2015, 06:32 AM) pid=\71227' An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.hy led panzer ,
just a small coment ,
and about the timing advance device and oil suply to M , will it work out well???
FD,
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(03-09-2015, 06:32 AM) pid=\71227' An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.hy led panzer ,
just a small coment ,
and about the timing advance device and oil suply to M , will it work out well???
FD,
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03-09-2015, 03:15 PM
#33
(03-09-2015, 02:58 PM)barrote(03-09-2015, 06:32 AM)pid=\71227 An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.hy led panzer ,
just a small coment ,
and about the timing advance device and oil suply to M , will it work out well???
Hi.
Sure it works fine. The M pump gets its lubrication oil through the camshaft, even in turbo 617s.
Every time I had to take the pump off it was full of oil.
Maybe replace the words "go fast" with "modify the engine/transmission/chassis beyond the limits of stock components for power"
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
03-09-2015, 03:15 PM #33(03-09-2015, 02:58 PM)barrote(03-09-2015, 06:32 AM)pid=\71227 An M pump on a 617 is an easy swap. You need the pump and lines, and they both bolt onto the engine. The fuel supply and return bolt on. Block the oil supply for the MW pump with a bolt. Done there.hy led panzer ,
just a small coment ,
and about the timing advance device and oil suply to M , will it work out well???
Hi.
Sure it works fine. The M pump gets its lubrication oil through the camshaft, even in turbo 617s.
Every time I had to take the pump off it was full of oil.
Maybe replace the words "go fast" with "modify the engine/transmission/chassis beyond the limits of stock components for power"
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
03-09-2015, 05:02 PM
#34
(03-09-2015, 03:15 PM)led-panzer Hi.
Sure it works fine. The M pump gets its lubrication oil through the camshaft, even in turbo 617s.
Every time I had to take the pump off it was full of oil.
yep , thats true, to be precise oil is fed through the cam interior and is released in the front needle bearing and propagates from there by splash.
what i´m not sure is if all 617´s use the timing device with the oil fed possibility. thats why i comented. actually is something that worth knowing.
dont u agree?regards.
FD,
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(03-09-2015, 03:15 PM)led-panzer Hi.
Sure it works fine. The M pump gets its lubrication oil through the camshaft, even in turbo 617s.
Every time I had to take the pump off it was full of oil.
yep , thats true, to be precise oil is fed through the cam interior and is released in the front needle bearing and propagates from there by splash.
what i´m not sure is if all 617´s use the timing device with the oil fed possibility. thats why i comented. actually is something that worth knowing.
dont u agree?regards.
FD,
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03-09-2015, 05:15 PM
#35
http://youtu.be/hvNn2fPMexg
The other day dieselmeken posted a video on FB with a bunch of finished MW pumps. Heres one on the bench, definitely looks like he's got them sorted out.
http://youtu.be/hvNn2fPMexg
03-09-2015, 05:38 PM
#36
atypicalguy
03-09-2015, 05:38 PM #36That pump has 10mm elements. Until you see it on a motor you have no idea how it will perform.
03-09-2015, 07:08 PM
#38
(03-09-2015, 05:38 PM)atypicalguy That pump has 10mm elements. Until you see it on a motor you have no idea how it will perform.
Oops, you are correct. If you look you'll see he's got a bunch of them done with either 7.5mm or 8mm ready for a new home. Ill try to find the link.
![[Image: Screenshot_2015-03-09-17-11-01_zpso8itc8mc.png]](http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll192/xl617lx/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-03-09-17-11-01_zpso8itc8mc.png)
![[Image: Screenshot_2015-03-09-17-11-43_zps6m4sm2fk.png]](http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll192/xl617lx/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-03-09-17-11-43_zps6m4sm2fk.png)
03-09-2015, 07:24 PM
#43
Although he made reference to one, Ill give you that
105cc, enough for ~230hp, sounds good
(my M-pump is 160cc, ~360hp)
This post was last modified: 03-09-2015, 07:29 PM by led-panzer.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
03-09-2015, 07:24 PM #43There's not a singe MW pump in those pictures, they're all M pumps
Although he made reference to one, Ill give you that
105cc, enough for ~230hp, sounds good
(my M-pump is 160cc, ~360hp)
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
03-09-2015, 07:35 PM
#44
(03-09-2015, 07:24 PM)led-panzer There's not a singe MW pump in those pictures, they're all M pumps
Although he made reference to one, Ill give you that
105cc, enough for ~230hp, sounds good
(my M-pump is 160cc, ~360hp)
Hey Led, when you mounted your w115 intake what did you do with the stock oil feed for the turbo? Mine hits the intake and its off by about 3/4 of an inch.
Also is your car up and running with the M pump, id love to see some pics/videos.
(03-09-2015, 07:24 PM)led-panzer There's not a singe MW pump in those pictures, they're all M pumps
Although he made reference to one, Ill give you that
105cc, enough for ~230hp, sounds good
(my M-pump is 160cc, ~360hp)
Hey Led, when you mounted your w115 intake what did you do with the stock oil feed for the turbo? Mine hits the intake and its off by about 3/4 of an inch.
Also is your car up and running with the M pump, id love to see some pics/videos.
03-10-2015, 11:36 AM
#45
My pump is in transit from Sweden, keep an eye on my build thread
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
03-10-2015, 11:36 AM #45I had a custom line made at a hyraulic shop.
My pump is in transit from Sweden, keep an eye on my build thread
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
03-10-2015, 02:07 PM
#46
So despite all my whining, Goran is building the 8mm MW now. He Shipped one to US today; maybe yours?
Karl
85 300tdt
14 treg tdi
05 g55
atypicalguy
03-10-2015, 02:07 PM #46I assume your new pump is an M?
So despite all my whining, Goran is building the 8mm MW now. He Shipped one to US today; maybe yours?
Karl
85 300tdt
14 treg tdi
05 g55
03-10-2015, 03:26 PM
#48
(03-10-2015, 02:07 PM)atypicalguy I assume your new pump is an M?
So despite all my whining, Goran is building the 8mm MW now. He Shipped one to US today; maybe yours?
Karl
85 300tdt
14 treg tdi
05 g55
He did ship mine today, though mine is an M pump.
The MW pump is found on all turbo and non-turbo 617's sold in the US. The M pump was stock on all non-turbos sold in Europe. So either you buy one in Europe, or find one that made its way into the U.S. in a grey market car.
Goran makes 7.5 and 8.0mm elements for the M pump, and until very recently the M pump was the only pump for a 617 that could be modified with larger elements.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
03-10-2015, 03:26 PM #48(03-10-2015, 02:07 PM)atypicalguy I assume your new pump is an M?
So despite all my whining, Goran is building the 8mm MW now. He Shipped one to US today; maybe yours?
Karl
85 300tdt
14 treg tdi
05 g55
He did ship mine today, though mine is an M pump.
The MW pump is found on all turbo and non-turbo 617's sold in the US. The M pump was stock on all non-turbos sold in Europe. So either you buy one in Europe, or find one that made its way into the U.S. in a grey market car.
Goran makes 7.5 and 8.0mm elements for the M pump, and until very recently the M pump was the only pump for a 617 that could be modified with larger elements.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
03-10-2015, 03:32 PM
#49
(03-10-2015, 02:24 PM)Joystick Can someone please explain me the difference betweeen an m and a mw pump??
This is the M pump
![[Image: 301921d1271110071-what-mb-diesels-did-m-...10-075.jpg]](http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/301921d1271110071-what-mb-diesels-did-m-pump-mb-parts-032410-075.jpg)
![[Image: 84848d1284749138-m-pump-add-appendage-pict0531.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-performance-tuning/84848d1284749138-m-pump-add-appendage-pict0531.jpg)
This is the MW pump (ignore the markings
)![[Image: 471868d1349483902-1982-240d-injector-pum...p-2sep.jpg]](http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/471868d1349483902-1982-240d-injector-pump-leaking-fuel-fuel-injection-pump-2sep.jpg)
![[Image: 96272d1317493165-papas-got-brand-new-om6...ew-ip1.jpg]](http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/96272d1317493165-papas-got-brand-new-om617-ip-play-om617-new-ip1.jpg)
They have prety much nothing in common except for being inline diesel injection pumps. 0 common parts.
The MW is used on all 617 turbo engines and also in US market 616/617 non turbos.
The M is used on euro 616/617's and all later 60X engines although the later pumps are a bit different physically so AFAIK they don't fit on 617's.
M pumps have a relatively developed tuning market. Up to 250cc, 7000 rpm and probably more is possible from an 8mm M pump.
Excellent driveability from smaller pumps also 7.5mm 140cc runs just like stock except much more fuel. 8 mm lopes just a bit on low idle on most pumps but is a perfomance beast.
(03-10-2015, 02:24 PM)Joystick Can someone please explain me the difference betweeen an m and a mw pump??
This is the M pump
This is the MW pump (ignore the markings
)They have prety much nothing in common except for being inline diesel injection pumps. 0 common parts.
The MW is used on all 617 turbo engines and also in US market 616/617 non turbos.
The M is used on euro 616/617's and all later 60X engines although the later pumps are a bit different physically so AFAIK they don't fit on 617's.
M pumps have a relatively developed tuning market. Up to 250cc, 7000 rpm and probably more is possible from an 8mm M pump.
Excellent driveability from smaller pumps also 7.5mm 140cc runs just like stock except much more fuel. 8 mm lopes just a bit on low idle on most pumps but is a perfomance beast.
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