adding w210 turbo to 95 w124 om606na
adding w210 turbo to 95 w124 om606na
I have done some reading on a few forums and wanted to confirm this would be a viable option. Can I simply bolt on a turbo manifold, turbo, and intake from a 98-99 om606 turbo onto my engine? I was searching online and it seems the factory setup would not be that pricey to source. Would I need anything else besides the parts I listed?
Thanks in advance- Cory
Hi Everyone- I recently bought a 95 e300d to use as my daily driver. I drive a lot for work so this seems like a great car for my needs. The car was well kept and the drive train is in good order.
I have done some reading on a few forums and wanted to confirm this would be a viable option. Can I simply bolt on a turbo manifold, turbo, and intake from a 98-99 om606 turbo onto my engine? I was searching online and it seems the factory setup would not be that pricey to source. Would I need anything else besides the parts I listed?
Thanks in advance- Cory
You are not going to get a lot of hp but your engine will start to pull strong from ca 2000rpm instead of ca3500rpm(stock na606) so the car will be much nicer to drive
If you want to keep it simple: bolt on the turbo and exhaust manifold, you can get oil pressure from the filter housing so you need to make a new oil line. You can use the oil drain from the original turbo, you just need to connect it to the block or oil pan. Skip the intercooler and make a hose from the turbo to your stock intake. Tune up your stock diesel pump.
You are not going to get a lot of hp but your engine will start to pull strong from ca 2000rpm instead of ca3500rpm(stock na606) so the car will be much nicer to drive
I also have a W124 OM606NA as a daily driver and I need more power
OM606 is a great machine and also fine to drive, but as erling66 mentioned it pulls away from 3500rpm.
Is it possible to make a STD out of a NA version OM606.910 or is it better to use a OM606.962?
Are there great differences between turbo and NA 606? They both have piston cooling nozzles, as I have seen.
Hello guys,
I also have a W124 OM606NA as a daily driver and I need more power
OM606 is a great machine and also fine to drive, but as erling66 mentioned it pulls away from 3500rpm.
Is it possible to make a STD out of a NA version OM606.910 or is it better to use a OM606.962?
Are there great differences between turbo and NA 606? They both have piston cooling nozzles, as I have seen.
(12-13-2012, 08:41 PM)ccrelan Hi Everyone- I recently bought a 95 e300d to use as my daily driver. I drive a lot for work so this seems like a great car for my needs. The car was well kept and the drive train is in good order.
I have done some reading on a few forums and wanted to confirm this would be a viable option. Can I simply bolt on a turbo manifold, turbo, and intake from a 98-99 om606 turbo onto my engine? I was searching online and it seems the factory setup would not be that pricey to source. Would I need anything else besides the parts I listed?
Thanks in advance- Cory
Simply bolting a turbo set-up to a N/A motor will do absolutely nothing to increase power
--may even make less power due to pumping-losses.....
You'll need to increase the fuelling by either replacing or seriously modifying the Injection Pump--This is the 'expensive' bit, as its not really possible to do much except somewhat increase the existing fuelling by adjustments without internal work and set-up on a proper Test-Bench by someone who Knows what they are doing--These specialists are rare creatures! Your average diesel injection repair place wouldn't have a clue, so don't even waste your time trying them!....
Work involves replacing the fuel injection 'elements' to a larger type inside the pump and re-calibrating the Governor to fuel correctly on the Test-Bench.
Recommend fitting a Modified Proper Turbo injection pump built up by 'Dieselmeken' (Goran) on this Forum, but limit power as has been said to 350 MAX BHP 300 safer as the Pistons and Rods are Different in the N/A OM.60x engines to the Proper Turbo engines.
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Alastair E
12-30-2012, 01:00 PM #7(12-13-2012, 08:41 PM)ccrelan Hi Everyone- I recently bought a 95 e300d to use as my daily driver. I drive a lot for work so this seems like a great car for my needs. The car was well kept and the drive train is in good order.
I have done some reading on a few forums and wanted to confirm this would be a viable option. Can I simply bolt on a turbo manifold, turbo, and intake from a 98-99 om606 turbo onto my engine? I was searching online and it seems the factory setup would not be that pricey to source. Would I need anything else besides the parts I listed?
Thanks in advance- Cory
Simply bolting a turbo set-up to a N/A motor will do absolutely nothing to increase power
--may even make less power due to pumping-losses.....
You'll need to increase the fuelling by either replacing or seriously modifying the Injection Pump--This is the 'expensive' bit, as its not really possible to do much except somewhat increase the existing fuelling by adjustments without internal work and set-up on a proper Test-Bench by someone who Knows what they are doing--These specialists are rare creatures! Your average diesel injection repair place wouldn't have a clue, so don't even waste your time trying them!....
Work involves replacing the fuel injection 'elements' to a larger type inside the pump and re-calibrating the Governor to fuel correctly on the Test-Bench.
Recommend fitting a Modified Proper Turbo injection pump built up by 'Dieselmeken' (Goran) on this Forum, but limit power as has been said to 350 MAX BHP 300 safer as the Pistons and Rods are Different in the N/A OM.60x engines to the Proper Turbo engines.
Just some other questions:
* Is it possible to use a modified OM606 NA pump or do I need to use a turbo pump and modifie it?
* Which turbo I could use on my OM606 NA for my daily driver? Holset HX40?
* Which exhaust manifold would I need to use? An original one from Turbo OM606 or do I need something special?
* Intercooler is clear, but do I also need to modifie somithing else?
* Is it possible to get about 250HP without producing smoke like an old diesel train? Is there something like a "smoke limiter"?
Thanks in advice
Flashcool
Thank you all for your great replies!
Just some other questions:
* Is it possible to use a modified OM606 NA pump or do I need to use a turbo pump and modifie it?
* Which turbo I could use on my OM606 NA for my daily driver? Holset HX40?
* Which exhaust manifold would I need to use? An original one from Turbo OM606 or do I need something special?
* Intercooler is clear, but do I also need to modifie somithing else?
* Is it possible to get about 250HP without producing smoke like an old diesel train? Is there something like a "smoke limiter"?
Thanks in advice
Flashcool
(12-30-2012, 01:00 PM)Alastair E Simply bolting a turbo set-up to a N/A motor will do absolutely nothing to increase power
--may even make less power due to pumping-losses.....
Can anyone who has actually tried adding 606turbo mainfolds and turbo to N/A 606 and turned N/A IP full load confirm that this is pointless and does not have positive effect?
I also have W124 with N/A 606 and am considering this option of getting extra power.
(12-30-2012, 01:00 PM)Alastair E Simply bolting a turbo set-up to a N/A motor will do absolutely nothing to increase power
--may even make less power due to pumping-losses.....
Can anyone who has actually tried adding 606turbo mainfolds and turbo to N/A 606 and turned N/A IP full load confirm that this is pointless and does not have positive effect?
I also have W124 with N/A 606 and am considering this option of getting extra power.
PES6M55C320RS203
Pump element number is:
1 418 305 549
So this should be a 5,5mm pump element.
OM606 turbo has IP number:
PES6M60C320RS206 --> EDC
Pump element number is:
1 418 305 554
This would be a 6mm pump element.
My OM606N/A has an IP with this Bosch number:
PES6M55C320RS203
Pump element number is:
1 418 305 549
So this should be a 5,5mm pump element.
OM606 turbo has IP number:
PES6M60C320RS206 --> EDC
Pump element number is:
1 418 305 554
This would be a 6mm pump element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQF5kkWtmdA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6WB4-qJhto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvfZe39Ua8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0leEt50IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwpalNz1Bwo
EDH_Performance
02-14-2013, 10:55 AM #13All videos are om606.910 with tuned stock 5.5mm na pump and 1 bar of boost! Works really good and you can expect around 160 hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQF5kkWtmdA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6WB4-qJhto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvfZe39Ua8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0leEt50IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwpalNz1Bwo
(02-13-2013, 09:16 PM)Bangaway If I install a HX40 and upgrade the pump to 7.5 on a 606na will the engine blow?
To answer that question is very easy:
If you drive like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pwWZ8WKUE0
It will last forever
But if this is your average driving style:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GITi-n9ZTU
I think you know the answer yourself
(02-13-2013, 09:16 PM)Bangaway If I install a HX40 and upgrade the pump to 7.5 on a 606na will the engine blow?
To answer that question is very easy:
If you drive like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pwWZ8WKUE0
It will last forever
But if this is your average driving style:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GITi-n9ZTU
I think you know the answer yourself
(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
EDH_Performance
02-16-2013, 05:51 PM #17(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606, with addition of oil lines from filter housing to a drain location on the block? Am i understanding this correctly?
(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606, with addition of oil lines from filter housing to a drain location on the block? Am i understanding this correctly?
(03-30-2013, 11:45 PM)WDieselTurbo maybe, manifold, no chance, the w201 was fitted only with OM601 (4 cyl) & OM602( 5 cyl) diesels, no diesel six in the 201, the W124 had the six cyl.(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606,
(03-30-2013, 11:45 PM)WDieselTurbo maybe, manifold, no chance, the w201 was fitted only with OM601 (4 cyl) & OM602( 5 cyl) diesels, no diesel six in the 201, the W124 had the six cyl.(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance(02-16-2013, 09:43 AM)RedDiesel The stock turbo can't run on a 606 without a computer. Its an extremely small turbo and will overspeed if a plain wastegate is used.
You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606,
(03-31-2013, 12:00 AM)Eric78(03-30-2013, 11:45 PM)WDieselTurbo maybe, manifold, no chance, the w201 was fitted only with OM601 (4 cyl) & OM602( 5 cyl) diesels, no diesel six in the 201, the W124 had the six cyl.(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
Excuse me, I meant w210 not w201. Will a turbo and manifold from a turbo om606 fit on an om606n/a
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606,
(03-31-2013, 12:00 AM)Eric78(03-30-2013, 11:45 PM)WDieselTurbo maybe, manifold, no chance, the w201 was fitted only with OM601 (4 cyl) & OM602( 5 cyl) diesels, no diesel six in the 201, the W124 had the six cyl.(02-16-2013, 05:51 PM)EDH_Performance You can`t overspeed that turbo with 5.5 elements! Overspeed comes with big engines and hig pressure...Mount a 1bar wg on it and you will have a perfect turbo
Excuse me, I meant w210 not w201. Will a turbo and manifold from a turbo om606 fit on an om606n/a
So a turbo and manifold from a W201 will work on an om606,
I have had so much more fun since I put the turbo on my car it does make a huge difference I live in mountains and it pulls up the hills instead of down shifting and reving up in the rpm.
Yes do this and turn your pump up like I did you won't be sad. Check out my build http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-1240.html
I have had so much more fun since I put the turbo on my car it does make a huge difference I live in mountains and it pulls up the hills instead of down shifting and reving up in the rpm.
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