1974 Ford Maverick Diesel Project
1974 Ford Maverick Diesel Project
hi i'm from the north california area and i've got a celica diesel project planned, the engine i'd use will be a merc sourced om617. i know these are commin in the older toyota pick-ups, 4runners, and the fj40 and fj60 lancruisers. i know that there is an adapter for the toyota w56 5-speed to work with the om617, im just curious what to expect for how much it might cost, how hard it will be to preform the swap and what can i expect for hp/tq upgrades in the future
GearheadJonny
11-23-2012, 04:13 PM #1(for the record, the celica in question is no longer around and I'm currently looking to adapt this project to a '74 ford maverick!)
hi i'm from the north california area and i've got a celica diesel project planned, the engine i'd use will be a merc sourced om617. i know these are commin in the older toyota pick-ups, 4runners, and the fj40 and fj60 lancruisers. i know that there is an adapter for the toyota w56 5-speed to work with the om617, im just curious what to expect for how much it might cost, how hard it will be to preform the swap and what can i expect for hp/tq upgrades in the future
Purplecomputer
11-23-2012, 07:57 PM #6I think you're better off with any of the 60X engines. I dont have first hadn experience with them but these seem to have a lot more modding potentional then the 617
As mentioned, the 617 will be heavy by Celica standards, so you'll need some front springs. You'll also need some taller rear gears.
raysorenson
11-25-2012, 09:07 PM #7The adapter plate won't work with the 60x engines, so you're going to be stuck with ruining that sweet ass car with a heavy OM617.
As mentioned, the 617 will be heavy by Celica standards, so you'll need some front springs. You'll also need some taller rear gears.
mOm617 is old and heavy...
EDH_Performance
11-26-2012, 08:48 AM #8Please go for a more effiecient engine such as a om602 or 605! I would love to see one of these engine in your car mOm617 is old and heavy...
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-26-2012, 09:57 AM #9616/617 are for trucks, the 60X engines are for cars. You should be able to get a 60X with a merc 5 spd, then you would only have to swap the shift linkage and make up a driveshaft.
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
EDH_Performance
11-26-2012, 10:28 AM #10(11-26-2012, 09:57 AM)Simpler=Better 616/617 are for trucks
Slow trucks
GearheadJonny
11-28-2012, 01:34 PM #11ok so the 60x engines would be better? what kind of mods are there
(11-28-2012, 01:34 PM)GearheadJonny ok so the 60x engines would be better? what kind of mods are there
Yes, the om602 is the straigth five with a 2 valve head design, and the 605 is almost the same block just with a better 4valve head design! Everything outside the engine fits the other one, such as flywheel, IP, motor mounts+++ You can do almost anything to the 60x engines! 500hp on stock 605 is no problem
EDH_Performance
11-28-2012, 01:42 PM #12(11-28-2012, 01:34 PM)GearheadJonny ok so the 60x engines would be better? what kind of mods are there
Yes, the om602 is the straigth five with a 2 valve head design, and the 605 is almost the same block just with a better 4valve head design! Everything outside the engine fits the other one, such as flywheel, IP, motor mounts+++ You can do almost anything to the 60x engines! 500hp on stock 605 is no problem
GearheadJonny
11-28-2012, 02:35 PM #13what did the 605's come in? and what can i see for difficulty with wiring as its not my strong point
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-28-2012, 02:44 PM #14You can set up a 60X to be mechanical so that the only electrical will be the alternator and starter. The tach really isn't that complicated-you can fit a hall effect sensor and pickup to power a gasser tach. Think of a hall effect sensor as a switch that ticks every time the crank spins, but without any physical contact to the front pulley.
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(11-28-2012, 02:44 PM)Simpler=Better You can set up a 60X to be mechanical so that the only electrical will be the alternator and starter. The tach really isn't that complicated-you can fit a hall effect sensor and pickup to power a gasser tach. Think of a hall effect sensor as a switch that ticks every time the crank spins, but without any physical contact to the front pulley.
Buy a om605 turbo and stick a tuned om602 IP in it! Slap a big turbo on it and you built yourself one mean machine
EDH_Performance
11-28-2012, 02:50 PM #15(11-28-2012, 02:44 PM)Simpler=Better You can set up a 60X to be mechanical so that the only electrical will be the alternator and starter. The tach really isn't that complicated-you can fit a hall effect sensor and pickup to power a gasser tach. Think of a hall effect sensor as a switch that ticks every time the crank spins, but without any physical contact to the front pulley.
Buy a om605 turbo and stick a tuned om602 IP in it! Slap a big turbo on it and you built yourself one mean machine
GearheadJonny
11-28-2012, 09:20 PM #17so a mechanical ran 602 with a 605 turbo and such could eaisly make 300hp and more tq?
20-24v are soulless compared to an om617a
No problem with 300+ in an om617a... dare to be different
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
Diesel-Wiking
12-30-2012, 11:26 PM #18Om617.952 is the best turbodiesel ever made by Mercedes... It's the best sounding engine, and it's oldschool! 20-24v are soulless compared to an om617a No problem with 300+ in an om617a... dare to be different
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
(11-26-2012, 10:28 AM)EDH_PerformanceHey now! I like my trucks slow-my daily driver has a whopping 100hp and weighs in at around 3,600lbs(11-26-2012, 09:57 AM)Simpler=Better 616/617 are for trucks
Slow trucks
(11-28-2012, 09:20 PM)GearheadJonny so a mechanical ran 602 with a 605 turbo and such could eaisly make 300hp and more tq?Probably yes, You will need to get the pump worked over by one of our European geniuses. I can't confirm or deny the turbo selection.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-03-2013, 02:25 PM #19(11-26-2012, 10:28 AM)EDH_PerformanceHey now! I like my trucks slow-my daily driver has a whopping 100hp and weighs in at around 3,600lbs(11-26-2012, 09:57 AM)Simpler=Better 616/617 are for trucks
Slow trucks
(11-28-2012, 09:20 PM)GearheadJonny so a mechanical ran 602 with a 605 turbo and such could eaisly make 300hp and more tq?Probably yes, You will need to get the pump worked over by one of our European geniuses. I can't confirm or deny the turbo selection.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
GearheadJonny
03-03-2013, 06:59 AM #20So I've been doing my research and I'm going to go with the OM 602, I'm still researching as far as what needs to be done. From what you guys told me before the 300 D is the easiest car to find this engine correct? And what manual transmission what usually fit this motor? That's all for now since I'm going to research as much as possible and look on here for more information thanks again guys.
(03-03-2013, 10:56 AM)aaa You can find 5-speed manual transmissions for the 602 in 190e and 190d's. There's also the option of a six speed from a c230 kompressor, if you can find one easily.Here's a 190e 5-speed for $375
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(03-03-2013, 10:56 AM)aaa You can find 5-speed manual transmissions for the 602 in 190e and 190d's. There's also the option of a six speed from a c230 kompressor, if you can find one easily.Here's a 190e 5-speed for $375
No affiliation!
http://lancaster.craigslist.org/pts/3630499606.html
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
GearheadJonny
04-06-2013, 06:36 PM #23one last thing for the 602 what am i looking at for weight? before this i originally considered an izuzu 4bd1t but cost and weight got to look else where
would it be worth my while to look into the 606 I found a running. w210 it's 8k but just looking around while I search for my 602
GearheadJonny
04-07-2013, 03:11 AM #25sweet, that's not much more than my 22r. I'm looking for a motor and tranny and once I get those I'll all the stock equipment to prep for cali inspection
would it be worth my while to look into the 606 I found a running. w210 it's 8k but just looking around while I search for my 602
GearheadJonny
05-30-2015, 02:14 AM #27so unfortunately many problems killed my celica, I replaced it with a '74 ford maverick and I'm still interested in doing a diesel swap. emissions won't be an issue now. more room under the hood too
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