STD Tuning Engine 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine

7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine

7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine

 
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ErikT
Naturally-aspirated

16
07-10-2013, 03:39 PM #401
Drove down to Göran yesterday to pick up my pump and also collect some others.
I had a great time, so thank you Göran!

Mine's for a G W461 with 617A. Looking forward to try it.

[Image: ndgl.jpg]
This post was last modified: 07-10-2013, 03:41 PM by ErikT.
ErikT
07-10-2013, 03:39 PM #401

Drove down to Göran yesterday to pick up my pump and also collect some others.
I had a great time, so thank you Göran!

Mine's for a G W461 with 617A. Looking forward to try it.

[Image: ndgl.jpg]

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
07-10-2013, 09:47 PM #402
TSA must have done some serious fondling LOL

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
07-10-2013, 09:47 PM #402

TSA must have done some serious fondling LOL


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Domino81
Holset

53
07-17-2013, 06:56 AM #403
Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?
Domino81
07-17-2013, 06:56 AM #403

Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?

dieselmeken
Holset

407
07-17-2013, 10:40 AM #404
(07-17-2013, 06:56 AM)Domino81 Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?
Start at 0,3 and make max a b1- 1,5 bar
dieselmeken
07-17-2013, 10:40 AM #404

(07-17-2013, 06:56 AM)Domino81 Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?
Start at 0,3 and make max a b1- 1,5 bar

yankneck696
Build it so strong & blow it up good !!!

395
07-18-2013, 08:12 AM #405
I need to get some paper towels....

Ed
yankneck696
07-18-2013, 08:12 AM #405

I need to get some paper towels....

Ed

Domino81
Holset

53
07-18-2013, 01:59 PM #406
Strangely my ALDA actuator starts working @ about 2 bar - but it wansn't tested under load.. just free neutral revs..

Will test and let you know the outcome, If the same thing happens under load as well, than I assume exchanging it for a different one shouldn't be a rocket science?

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Domino81
07-18-2013, 01:59 PM #406

Strangely my ALDA actuator starts working @ about 2 bar - but it wansn't tested under load.. just free neutral revs..

Will test and let you know the outcome, If the same thing happens under load as well, than I assume exchanging it for a different one shouldn't be a rocket science?

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maxypriest
Holset

287
07-18-2013, 05:59 PM #407
A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
07-18-2013, 05:59 PM #407

A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max


W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
07-19-2013, 04:02 AM #408
(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element strokeWink

(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element strokeWink
This post was last modified: 07-19-2013, 04:11 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
07-19-2013, 04:02 AM #408

(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element strokeWink

(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element strokeWink

HaavardPYA
GT2559V

189
07-19-2013, 10:13 AM #409
Pr cylinder or all 6 cylinders total?
HaavardPYA
07-19-2013, 10:13 AM #409

Pr cylinder or all 6 cylinders total?

Turbo
Holset

489
07-19-2013, 01:48 PM #410
Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
Turbo
07-19-2013, 01:48 PM #410

Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?

dieselmeken
Holset

407
07-21-2013, 09:09 PM #411
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.
dieselmeken
07-21-2013, 09:09 PM #411

(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.

Turbo
Holset

489
07-22-2013, 02:58 AM #412
The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes


(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.
Turbo
07-22-2013, 02:58 AM #412

The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes


(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.

maxypriest
Holset

287
07-23-2013, 08:36 AM #413
Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max

W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
07-23-2013, 08:36 AM #413

Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max


W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs

mantahead
Holset

600
07-23-2013, 12:34 PM #414
(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max
hi,
yea you will need more travel, i would think.
This post was last modified: 07-23-2013, 12:36 PM by mantahead.
mantahead
07-23-2013, 12:34 PM #414

(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max
hi,
yea you will need more travel, i would think.

HoleshotHolset
Holset

379
07-26-2013, 06:43 AM #415
(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest ...I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.

I did the same thing on my build...

Beers,

Matt

'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
07-26-2013, 06:43 AM #415

(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest ...I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.

I did the same thing on my build...

Beers,

Matt


'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten

jeemu
"some people do, some people talk."

457
07-27-2013, 03:23 PM #416
(07-22-2013, 02:58 AM)Turbo The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes


(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.
Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.
This post was last modified: 07-27-2013, 03:24 PM by jeemu.

OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
jeemu
07-27-2013, 03:23 PM #416

(07-22-2013, 02:58 AM)Turbo The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes


(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.
Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
07-28-2013, 08:20 AM #417
(07-27-2013, 03:23 PM)jeemu Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.

Soo true! You must burn it aswellBig Grin
EDH_Performance
07-28-2013, 08:20 AM #417

(07-27-2013, 03:23 PM)jeemu Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.

Soo true! You must burn it aswellBig Grin

dieselmeken
Holset

407
09-06-2013, 07:17 AM #418
   

New serie 7,5mm to the left & 8,0mm to the right. Arrived today, quality looks very good, quality test up next.
I come back with som results later on.
dieselmeken
09-06-2013, 07:17 AM #418

   

New serie 7,5mm to the left & 8,0mm to the right. Arrived today, quality looks very good, quality test up next.
I come back with som results later on.

hooblah
Holset

401
09-06-2013, 10:39 AM #419
Oh new series? What are the differences compared to the last series?

When will they likely be ready?
hooblah
09-06-2013, 10:39 AM #419

Oh new series? What are the differences compared to the last series?

When will they likely be ready?

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
09-06-2013, 01:26 PM #420
Looks very good, is this from the new suplyer you was telling me about?

Only one week left, and this badass of a pump wil be testedBig Grin
EDH_Performance
09-06-2013, 01:26 PM #420

Looks very good, is this from the new suplyer you was telling me about?

Only one week left, and this badass of a pump wil be testedBig Grin

300SD_KY
super turbo diesel

121
01-21-2014, 05:41 PM #421
need a Goran super-pump for my 1979 300SD.
300SD_KY
01-21-2014, 05:41 PM #421

need a Goran super-pump for my 1979 300SD.

F.R.A.S
Holset

579
01-23-2014, 09:33 AM #422
Dieselmeken is really the go to guy when it comes to driveable pumps. We have one 8mm 242cc and one 8mm 180cc on the dyno before summer. Both curtesy of Göran!

F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
F.R.A.S
01-23-2014, 09:33 AM #422

Dieselmeken is really the go to guy when it comes to driveable pumps. We have one 8mm 242cc and one 8mm 180cc on the dyno before summer. Both curtesy of Göran!


F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.

baldur
Fast

505
02-03-2014, 09:19 AM #423
Anyone care to elaborate what the flow figure quoted means? When someone says a 242cc pump, obviously it's not 242cc of fuel per injection event, but what is it?

Baldur Gislason

baldur
02-03-2014, 09:19 AM #423

Anyone care to elaborate what the flow figure quoted means? When someone says a 242cc pump, obviously it's not 242cc of fuel per injection event, but what is it?


Baldur Gislason

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
02-03-2014, 12:43 PM #424
242cc means it is flowing 242cc after 1000 element stroke.
EDH_Performance
02-03-2014, 12:43 PM #424

242cc means it is flowing 242cc after 1000 element stroke.

dieselmeken
Holset

407
04-28-2014, 11:10 AM #425
The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be
dieselmeken
04-28-2014, 11:10 AM #425

The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be

Turbo
Holset

489
04-28-2014, 02:48 PM #426
how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?


(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be
Turbo
04-28-2014, 02:48 PM #426

how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?


(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be

dieselmeken
Holset

407
05-03-2014, 06:49 AM #427
(04-28-2014, 02:48 PM)Turbo how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?


(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be
First tryout in testbench was 220cc @2,5bar inlet pressure 2800rpm (5600 Engine rpm), 1500rpm pump did 250cc, its a improvment anyway.
dieselmeken
05-03-2014, 06:49 AM #427

(04-28-2014, 02:48 PM)Turbo how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?


(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZri...e=youtu.be
First tryout in testbench was 220cc @2,5bar inlet pressure 2800rpm (5600 Engine rpm), 1500rpm pump did 250cc, its a improvment anyway.

dieselmeken
Holset

407
06-26-2014, 02:56 PM #428
http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.
dieselmeken
06-26-2014, 02:56 PM #428

http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.

Turbo
Holset

489
06-26-2014, 04:39 PM #429
so High up in rpm can it hold that delivery?
and what is the target price


(06-26-2014, 02:56 PM)dieselmeken http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.
Turbo
06-26-2014, 04:39 PM #429

so High up in rpm can it hold that delivery?
and what is the target price


(06-26-2014, 02:56 PM)dieselmeken http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
06-26-2014, 05:00 PM #430
So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606? Big Grin

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
06-26-2014, 05:00 PM #430

So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606? Big Grin


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

Gearbound
In need of a OM606.96x

172
06-26-2014, 05:08 PM #431
adapt the 12mm p7100 to my ALH TDI jetta as well Smile

If its not inline its out of line Tongue
Gearbound
06-26-2014, 05:08 PM #431

adapt the 12mm p7100 to my ALH TDI jetta as well Smile


If its not inline its out of line Tongue

dieselmeken
Holset

407
06-27-2014, 01:58 AM #432
(06-26-2014, 05:00 PM)MFSuper90 So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606? Big Grin

Yes. Thats the Winter Project.

After that I go for the commonrail conversion.
dieselmeken
06-27-2014, 01:58 AM #432

(06-26-2014, 05:00 PM)MFSuper90 So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606? Big Grin

Yes. Thats the Winter Project.

After that I go for the commonrail conversion.

06-27-2014, 03:19 AM #433
Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine Smile

____________________________________

'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603
DiseaselWeasel
06-27-2014, 03:19 AM #433

Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine Smile


____________________________________

'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603

dieselmeken
Holset

407
06-27-2014, 03:42 AM #434
(06-27-2014, 03:19 AM)DiseaselWeasel Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine Smile
You need a quicker injection time in DI Engine, Distributor pumps type Bosch VE is quicker, but cant deliver this amount of fuel I Think. It will work, question is how much Power they will get, I doubt that it will give Moore Power than the IDI Engine, but I have done what i could whit this m-pump.
dieselmeken
06-27-2014, 03:42 AM #434

(06-27-2014, 03:19 AM)DiseaselWeasel Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine Smile
You need a quicker injection time in DI Engine, Distributor pumps type Bosch VE is quicker, but cant deliver this amount of fuel I Think. It will work, question is how much Power they will get, I doubt that it will give Moore Power than the IDI Engine, but I have done what i could whit this m-pump.

06-27-2014, 04:37 AM #435
Thank you! So that's why Mercedes used VE pump on DI OM602 (290TD).

If it solves overheating problems and prevents pistons from melting, I think they are a huge step forwards in terms of reliability Smile

____________________________________

'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603
DiseaselWeasel
06-27-2014, 04:37 AM #435

Thank you! So that's why Mercedes used VE pump on DI OM602 (290TD).

If it solves overheating problems and prevents pistons from melting, I think they are a huge step forwards in terms of reliability Smile


____________________________________

'88 300CD Turbo Coupé - OM603

Spoolin
Naturally-aspirated

10
09-08-2016, 12:11 PM #436
I'm a little late to the party but this is a terrific thread with great information and results. Thanks for sharing so much.
Spoolin
09-08-2016, 12:11 PM #436

I'm a little late to the party but this is a terrific thread with great information and results. Thanks for sharing so much.

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