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what manual for 606 superturbo

what manual for 606 superturbo

 
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11-22-2011, 04:32 PM #1
The 3th 5 speed is broken. Drived a stock box of 300d w124 dual mass flyweel sinter paddel modifight plate. What gearbox solutions are possible. Thx
hansebanger77
11-22-2011, 04:32 PM #1

The 3th 5 speed is broken. Drived a stock box of 300d w124 dual mass flyweel sinter paddel modifight plate. What gearbox solutions are possible. Thx

11-23-2011, 06:56 AM #2
it was a 717 433 bevore and i bougth the same again. now iths broken again. every time the 3. gear is damaged... 1. and 2. gear always spinning tires sometimes 3. too. because long diff if i get grip ad 3rd it break.. Sad
hansebanger77
11-23-2011, 06:56 AM #2

it was a 717 433 bevore and i bougth the same again. now iths broken again. every time the 3. gear is damaged... 1. and 2. gear always spinning tires sometimes 3. too. because long diff if i get grip ad 3rd it break.. Sad

George3soccer
Holset

373
11-27-2011, 11:49 PM #3
How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.

Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
11-27-2011, 11:49 PM #3

How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.


Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k

11-28-2011, 04:41 PM #4
(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.

Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..
hansebanger77
11-28-2011, 04:41 PM #4

(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.

Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..

erling66
SuperDieselVan

294
11-29-2011, 02:31 PM #5
Hi I am going to use a CDI 220 6 speed box 716.640 It is rated at 370ft/lbs. Muuris use it in his car(606 with lots of power) with no problem so far. it will bolt on to your engine. I will post my progress(in my projects tread) but maybe you work faster Smile

HuhCoolTongue
erling66
11-29-2011, 02:31 PM #5

Hi I am going to use a CDI 220 6 speed box 716.640 It is rated at 370ft/lbs. Muuris use it in his car(606 with lots of power) with no problem so far. it will bolt on to your engine. I will post my progress(in my projects tread) but maybe you work faster Smile


HuhCoolTongue

George3soccer
Holset

373
11-30-2011, 12:44 AM #6
Maybe that is the 6 speed diesel box I was talking about. How hard is it to get one over in Europe now a days.

Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
11-30-2011, 12:44 AM #6

Maybe that is the 6 speed diesel box I was talking about. How hard is it to get one over in Europe now a days.


Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k

11-30-2011, 05:02 AM #7
my friend that have a shop for used mercedes parts there are many gearboxes... also 6 speed but manny different numbers.. different lengths. and linkages too. 1 box have 2 rod to shift the 2nd have only one.. the box "holder""mounts" look different to the stock 717433. so i fool i by some cheap 717433. again because i wand drive on a dyno quickly...

but i also think it woud brake again. until then I want to find a solution for the 6speed..

ok we know a 716.640 is strong. but i dont foud one with the same number. i think i saw a 716.656 with one linkage to shift and a 716.604 what nedd 2 linkages.

i know all woud fit to the engine with 2 mass flyweel.

i dont know

will they hold the same power as a 640
1 gearbox is longer 1 shorter what kardan shaft i need
fit the mounting holder
fit the gear lever pat of the 203 to the 124.

thx
hansebanger77
11-30-2011, 05:02 AM #7

my friend that have a shop for used mercedes parts there are many gearboxes... also 6 speed but manny different numbers.. different lengths. and linkages too. 1 box have 2 rod to shift the 2nd have only one.. the box "holder""mounts" look different to the stock 717433. so i fool i by some cheap 717433. again because i wand drive on a dyno quickly...

but i also think it woud brake again. until then I want to find a solution for the 6speed..

ok we know a 716.640 is strong. but i dont foud one with the same number. i think i saw a 716.656 with one linkage to shift and a 716.604 what nedd 2 linkages.

i know all woud fit to the engine with 2 mass flyweel.

i dont know

will they hold the same power as a 640
1 gearbox is longer 1 shorter what kardan shaft i need
fit the mounting holder
fit the gear lever pat of the 203 to the 124.

thx

erling66
SuperDieselVan

294
12-02-2011, 04:24 AM #8
According to a Russian parts catalogue , the 604 is 250nm, 631 is 270nm, 640 is 370nm and 656 is 370nm. I guess the higher the number, the betterSmile
I don't think there are any propeller shaft that will fit. You will have to take the front of the 6 speed shaft(they use a larger coupling) and weld it to your w124 shaft.

HuhCoolTongue
erling66
12-02-2011, 04:24 AM #8

According to a Russian parts catalogue , the 604 is 250nm, 631 is 270nm, 640 is 370nm and 656 is 370nm. I guess the higher the number, the betterSmile
I don't think there are any propeller shaft that will fit. You will have to take the front of the 6 speed shaft(they use a larger coupling) and weld it to your w124 shaft.


HuhCoolTongue

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
12-02-2011, 12:30 PM #9
I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl
This post was last modified: 12-02-2011, 12:30 PM by willbhere4u.

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
12-02-2011, 12:30 PM #9

I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

12-03-2011, 06:34 AM #10
(12-02-2011, 12:30 PM)willbhere4u I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl

Do you Drive actualy with 6 speed? If yes where was the biggest Problem to fit? Thx
hansebanger77
12-03-2011, 06:34 AM #10

(12-02-2011, 12:30 PM)willbhere4u I've got a 6spd from a 2002 C230 kompressor 716.668 for my mostly stock 300sdl

Do you Drive actualy with 6 speed? If yes where was the biggest Problem to fit? Thx

McAdam
K26-2

25
12-12-2011, 02:58 PM #11
I plan on putting a Nissan 300ZX twin turbo gear box behind mine when I actually get an OM606. Of course, I will be swapping it into a Datsun 280ZX, so none of this will apply to you. The trans code is FS5R30A and stock, they will hold around 600rwhp and 600rwtq in a 3500lbs car.
McAdam
12-12-2011, 02:58 PM #11

I plan on putting a Nissan 300ZX twin turbo gear box behind mine when I actually get an OM606. Of course, I will be swapping it into a Datsun 280ZX, so none of this will apply to you. The trans code is FS5R30A and stock, they will hold around 600rwhp and 600rwtq in a 3500lbs car.

12-12-2011, 03:24 PM #12
nice a friend has a 300zx twin turbo! will it fit without a plate?
hansebanger77
12-12-2011, 03:24 PM #12

nice a friend has a 300zx twin turbo! will it fit without a plate?

McAdam
K26-2

25
12-12-2011, 06:31 PM #13
No, you would need to get a plate made, but the transmissions are dirt cheap. like under $300 if you find the right place to buy them from.
McAdam
12-12-2011, 06:31 PM #13

No, you would need to get a plate made, but the transmissions are dirt cheap. like under $300 if you find the right place to buy them from.

12-13-2011, 07:41 AM #14
ok thx.. easyer would be the 6 speed of mercedes.. but not cheap Smile
hansebanger77
12-13-2011, 07:41 AM #14

ok thx.. easyer would be the 6 speed of mercedes.. but not cheap Smile

McAdam
K26-2

25
12-13-2011, 01:32 PM #15
exactly. You may be better off getting a plate and custom driveshaft made rather than buying a mercedes 6spd! I will hopefully be mating an OM606 to a nissan FS5R30A transmission within the next 6 months. when I do, I will report on my progress and let everyone know how much of a pain in the ass it was, ha ha!
McAdam
12-13-2011, 01:32 PM #15

exactly. You may be better off getting a plate and custom driveshaft made rather than buying a mercedes 6spd! I will hopefully be mating an OM606 to a nissan FS5R30A transmission within the next 6 months. when I do, I will report on my progress and let everyone know how much of a pain in the ass it was, ha ha!

01-08-2012, 12:24 PM #16
(11-28-2011, 04:41 PM)hansebanger77
(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.

Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..

Give now 750nm and the next 433 box is trash. Sad
hansebanger77
01-08-2012, 12:24 PM #16

(11-28-2011, 04:41 PM)hansebanger77
(11-27-2011, 11:49 PM)George3soccer How much tq do you estimate your motor is pushing. Because I have a very similar tranny in my 201. Look into the 203 6speed. Or if I remember correctly Europe offered a diesel 5 or 6 speed tranny that could hold 400lb or tq.

Before i come to a dyno the tranny is dead. But i think it shoud give 700nm
I have See a 6 speed but the so many differrent end numbers and i dont know what i shoud get. also differend messurments and Shiftboxes linkages, gearbox mounts, no Manual speedometer Output..

Give now 750nm and the next 433 box is trash. Sad

majesty78
GT2559V

226
01-08-2012, 02:56 PM #17
Hy JW!

Thank you for the (short) testdrive, your car is really amazing and fast!

I am very sorry that the transmission broke just when we were driving :-(

I hope you find some solution to make a stronger transmission or find a stronger transmission....

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
01-08-2012, 02:56 PM #17

Hy JW!

Thank you for the (short) testdrive, your car is really amazing and fast!

I am very sorry that the transmission broke just when we were driving :-(

I hope you find some solution to make a stronger transmission or find a stronger transmission....


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

INC
GTA2056V

76
01-09-2012, 02:37 PM #18
I use box from 316cdi Sprinter in my G wagen. Works ok with 33 tyres.

G300TD(OM606.964) & 250GD(OM605.960)Trophy raid
INC
01-09-2012, 02:37 PM #18

I use box from 316cdi Sprinter in my G wagen. Works ok with 33 tyres.


G300TD(OM606.964) & 250GD(OM605.960)Trophy raid

01-11-2012, 07:17 AM #19
i can get a 716 604 and a 716 654

what is the better choice? ore nothing of both?
hansebanger77
01-11-2012, 07:17 AM #19

i can get a 716 604 and a 716 654

what is the better choice? ore nothing of both?

majesty78
GT2559V

226
01-12-2012, 08:37 AM #20
Would it be possible to adapt a Audi S2 Gearbox to OM606?

Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin
majesty78
01-12-2012, 08:37 AM #20

Would it be possible to adapt a Audi S2 Gearbox to OM606?


Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750NmBig Grin

jeemu
"some people do, some people talk."

457
01-12-2012, 04:39 PM #21
Nic muuris have a bout same torg and he s car not broke 716.64 box
So if i be you i try that 716.65.

There is so many drivers and style to drive and thats why there is no absolute thruth what can handle what..

OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
jeemu
01-12-2012, 04:39 PM #21

Nic muuris have a bout same torg and he s car not broke 716.64 box
So if i be you i try that 716.65.

There is so many drivers and style to drive and thats why there is no absolute thruth what can handle what..


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

01-13-2012, 05:44 AM #22
i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

i see the 716.654 what i can get is a sequentronic with many hydraulic things.. dont want buy this..
the other is 604 its only 250nm not a good option.
so i must search a 65x without sequentronic is rated for 370nm
or some 66x witch 400nm..
the only 66 i coud find is from 3.5L slk compressor.

Although a 190 is lighter by weight, but a weak chassie.
so my project is finally done! and wants drive it and not a lot of money and work for like a new projektSmile


hansebanger77
01-13-2012, 05:44 AM #22

i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

i see the 716.654 what i can get is a sequentronic with many hydraulic things.. dont want buy this..
the other is 604 its only 250nm not a good option.
so i must search a 65x without sequentronic is rated for 370nm
or some 66x witch 400nm..
the only 66 i coud find is from 3.5L slk compressor.

Although a 190 is lighter by weight, but a weak chassie.
so my project is finally done! and wants drive it and not a lot of money and work for like a new projektSmile


jeemu
"some people do, some people talk."

457
01-13-2012, 09:54 AM #23
What you mean sequentronic?
That 716.654 is normal manual 6 speed.
And gear shifter can made BMW parts wery easy. Just hose at hydraulic throw bearing and it bueno.

OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
jeemu
01-13-2012, 09:54 AM #23

What you mean sequentronic?
That 716.654 is normal manual 6 speed.
And gear shifter can made BMW parts wery easy. Just hose at hydraulic throw bearing and it bueno.


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

01-14-2012, 01:11 AM #24
Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.
Thx
hansebanger77
01-14-2012, 01:11 AM #24

Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.
Thx

raysorenson
Superturbo

1,162
09-30-2012, 08:58 PM #25
While not implying that your engine isn't too strong for these gearboxes, the clutch should be a consideration. A clutch that grips with absolute brute force will kill transmissions.
raysorenson
09-30-2012, 08:58 PM #25

While not implying that your engine isn't too strong for these gearboxes, the clutch should be a consideration. A clutch that grips with absolute brute force will kill transmissions.

Spaceraver
K26-2

40
10-15-2012, 07:32 AM #26
(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends? Tongue
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.

Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...

I wouldn't mind getting an STD..Tongue
Spaceraver
10-15-2012, 07:32 AM #26

(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends? Tongue
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.

Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...


I wouldn't mind getting an STD..Tongue

10-18-2012, 08:19 AM #27
(10-15-2012, 07:32 AM)Spaceraver
(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends? Tongue
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.

Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...

haha Smile the fat chicks at the backseet was the problem Big Grin
no.. Smile long ago but the tranny work fine.. 716.654 i use.. no problems with it..
..the slk350 have good tranny but i remember its V6 and dont fit plug and play to R6.
thx!
hansebanger77
10-18-2012, 08:19 AM #27

(10-15-2012, 07:32 AM)Spaceraver
(01-13-2012, 05:44 AM)hansebanger77 i think also i must reduce much weight of my car so its much better for the tranny..
jeemu I agree with you!

my w124 has full interior if i drive with 3 passengers the car have over 2000kg
so i use the car also for dalydrive and couldnt part out all of the crap.
but i can reduce much weight also for dalydrive and should not drive with many people on full throttle so i think also it coud hold.

If your car weighs in over 2000kg with 4 people in it, might I suggest having lighter friends? Tongue
I have never seen my car over the 1900kg mark, and that was with 7 people in it. It was a 250D, with full tank and amplifiers, she weighed in just over 1450 kilo.

Other than that ease off the throttle in 3rd.. It might last a bit longer...

haha Smile the fat chicks at the backseet was the problem Big Grin
no.. Smile long ago but the tranny work fine.. 716.654 i use.. no problems with it..
..the slk350 have good tranny but i remember its V6 and dont fit plug and play to R6.
thx!

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
10-24-2012, 12:39 PM #28
I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin[/align]
EDH_Performance
10-24-2012, 12:39 PM #28

I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin[/align]

Savitas
K26-2

34
11-14-2012, 03:13 PM #29
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea

Push like on my project facebook http://www.facebook.com/OMperform
Savitas
11-14-2012, 03:13 PM #29

(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea


Push like on my project facebook http://www.facebook.com/OMperform

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
11-15-2012, 12:14 PM #30
(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea

Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, weldingWink
EDH_Performance
11-15-2012, 12:14 PM #30

(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea

Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, weldingWink

Savitas
K26-2

34
11-15-2012, 02:21 PM #31
(11-15-2012, 12:14 PM)EDH_Performance
(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea

Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, weldingWink

Yes, I have seen. I have already made one gearbox, before you done yours. I agree your way is faster than my, but on other hand not such precise. Accurate and parallel primary shaft position is very important for long gearbox working period. So I'll try to do it as time before but with some extra process modification. I hope to have working box after a few weeks.

Push like on my project facebook http://www.facebook.com/OMperform
Savitas
11-15-2012, 02:21 PM #31

(11-15-2012, 12:14 PM)EDH_Performance
(11-14-2012, 03:13 PM)Savitas
(10-24-2012, 12:39 PM)EDH_Performance I think you should go the extra mile and build a gs5-39dz (BMW 530D ) Gearbox! Holds all the torq you can put into itBig Grin

I started to make another gearbox for my friend. If someone is interesting how to fit BMW gearbox to MB engine see my facebook page: GS5-39DZ to OM60X engine

All comments are welcome Idea

Have you seen i my thread how i did it? I used approximately 1 hour to do the cutting, weldingWink

Yes, I have seen. I have already made one gearbox, before you done yours. I agree your way is faster than my, but on other hand not such precise. Accurate and parallel primary shaft position is very important for long gearbox working period. So I'll try to do it as time before but with some extra process modification. I hope to have working box after a few weeks.


Push like on my project facebook http://www.facebook.com/OMperform

EDH_Performance
Holset

537
11-15-2012, 04:17 PM #32
Sounds goodSmile Yes, I needed a fast solution and didn`t have a milling machine. If you are very precise with the measures, you can get it 99% But in other hand i must say that these gearboxes are really strong!
EDH_Performance
11-15-2012, 04:17 PM #32

Sounds goodSmile Yes, I needed a fast solution and didn`t have a milling machine. If you are very precise with the measures, you can get it 99% But in other hand i must say that these gearboxes are really strong!

TURBO_DAN
Naturally-aspirated

13
11-16-2012, 06:52 PM #33
Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...
TURBO_DAN
11-16-2012, 06:52 PM #33

Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...

Savitas
K26-2

34
12-20-2012, 01:10 PM #34
BMW gearbox 100% complete and ready to work with OM606 engine, some pictures:
[Image: ab7a62fb6981.jpg]

[Image: e5e36c0b30f4.jpg]

[Image: 4eb65f0cb421.jpg]
This post was last modified: 12-20-2012, 01:15 PM by Savitas.

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Savitas
12-20-2012, 01:10 PM #34

BMW gearbox 100% complete and ready to work with OM606 engine, some pictures:
[Image: ab7a62fb6981.jpg]

[Image: e5e36c0b30f4.jpg]

[Image: 4eb65f0cb421.jpg]


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maKe-
Naturally-aspirated

21
12-24-2012, 07:30 PM #35
What about V160/V161 Getrag from Mkiv Supra / R34 GT-R skyline? Pretty much bulletproof box with nice gear ratios.
Only con is that it's pretty expensive... 1500-4000€ used, but +1300Nm torque and 8sec launches on OEM transmission that holds just fine?

Should be nice combination with 2.8-3.2 final drive differential.
maKe-
12-24-2012, 07:30 PM #35

What about V160/V161 Getrag from Mkiv Supra / R34 GT-R skyline? Pretty much bulletproof box with nice gear ratios.
Only con is that it's pretty expensive... 1500-4000€ used, but +1300Nm torque and 8sec launches on OEM transmission that holds just fine?

Should be nice combination with 2.8-3.2 final drive differential.

maxypriest
Holset

287
03-06-2013, 06:15 PM #36
(01-14-2012, 01:11 AM)hansebanger77 Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.
Thx
How did you get around the speedo problem?
Max

W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
03-06-2013, 06:15 PM #36

(01-14-2012, 01:11 AM)hansebanger77 Sorry false number. I pick up this 654. Will see next days what happens. Any tips for the speedometer ? Its electric Signal.
Thx
How did you get around the speedo problem?
Max


W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs

HaavardPYA
GT2559V

189
04-04-2013, 04:19 PM #38
http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm

maybe this is something to consider when installing a electronic signal transmission?

But the gearshifter looks difficult on the 716 boxes? Looks like some kind of wire to it as well?
HaavardPYA
04-04-2013, 04:19 PM #38

http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm

maybe this is something to consider when installing a electronic signal transmission?

But the gearshifter looks difficult on the 716 boxes? Looks like some kind of wire to it as well?

CRD4x4
CompoundSuperTurboDiesel4x4!

399
04-04-2013, 07:13 PM #39
Anyone have any real world experience with a Getrag 265/6 from e30 BMW's? It's what I've chosen to put behind my 606 because its "bulletproof" and has a removable bellhousing (for ease of fabrication)
I have yet to mate them but I hope it'll work well.

'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project
CRD4x4
04-04-2013, 07:13 PM #39

Anyone have any real world experience with a Getrag 265/6 from e30 BMW's? It's what I've chosen to put behind my 606 because its "bulletproof" and has a removable bellhousing (for ease of fabrication)
I have yet to mate them but I hope it'll work well.


'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project

Corkuin
Need more fuel..

8
09-09-2013, 05:21 AM #40
I know a 716.651 for sale. I want to put behind my 450-500hp OM606. Is this a good choice? In the other posts I saw 716.654 but I don't know if there is a lot of difference. And which flywheel would you recommend? I still have the original 722.6 gearbox but when I want to place it in an old car I will need to buy the special electronics and I saw something about €1200 which is to expensive..
Corkuin
09-09-2013, 05:21 AM #40

I know a 716.651 for sale. I want to put behind my 450-500hp OM606. Is this a good choice? In the other posts I saw 716.654 but I don't know if there is a lot of difference. And which flywheel would you recommend? I still have the original 722.6 gearbox but when I want to place it in an old car I will need to buy the special electronics and I saw something about €1200 which is to expensive..

HaavardPYA
GT2559V

189
09-12-2013, 12:12 PM #41
716.651 is ok.
HaavardPYA
09-12-2013, 12:12 PM #41

716.651 is ok.

Jetmugg
GT2256V

125
09-16-2013, 05:43 PM #42
Very good work on adapting and welding the BMW gearbox to the MB bellhousing! I am also very interested in putting a strong manual transmission behind an OM606 superturbo, but for a different type of application (land speed racing attempt).

How were you able to align the input shaft of the transmission within the MB bellhousing pattern?

If someone could come up with a mechanical drawing, showing the relative position of the bolt holes to the centerline of the crankshaft, I believe I could have some adapters made up economically in the US. I manage a manufacturing company with a machine shop, and also work with waterjet and laser cutting vendors.

Right now, the missing piece of the puzzle is a good set of drawings showing the position of all 10 bolt holes on the back of the block, as well as the centerline of the crankshaft.

SteveM.
Jetmugg
09-16-2013, 05:43 PM #42

Very good work on adapting and welding the BMW gearbox to the MB bellhousing! I am also very interested in putting a strong manual transmission behind an OM606 superturbo, but for a different type of application (land speed racing attempt).

How were you able to align the input shaft of the transmission within the MB bellhousing pattern?

If someone could come up with a mechanical drawing, showing the relative position of the bolt holes to the centerline of the crankshaft, I believe I could have some adapters made up economically in the US. I manage a manufacturing company with a machine shop, and also work with waterjet and laser cutting vendors.

Right now, the missing piece of the puzzle is a good set of drawings showing the position of all 10 bolt holes on the back of the block, as well as the centerline of the crankshaft.

SteveM.

HaavardPYA
GT2559V

189
09-17-2013, 05:12 AM #43
With my orginal rear end(2.86) i have 312 as top speed with 18" wheels and 716.654 gearbox.
HaavardPYA
09-17-2013, 05:12 AM #43

With my orginal rear end(2.86) i have 312 as top speed with 18" wheels and 716.654 gearbox.

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-25-2013, 08:17 PM #44
(11-16-2012, 06:52 PM)TURBO_DAN Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...

any box? does that include the 616349 etc and other numbers? no difference?
seems to be a couple of those for resonable prices...
but would like to know what the difference is between them...

what clutch+flywheel can one use with them, any differences between numbers of gearbox?

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-25-2013, 08:17 PM #44

(11-16-2012, 06:52 PM)TURBO_DAN Hi,you can get any 6 speed gear box from mercedes cdi engines,after 2000 and you will not breake the box,numbers of the box are not so important.What maters is that you have 6 gears spreads between the power,and every gear is on top of the peak of the the torque,so less abuse of every gear,in another words there is no lag or holes between gears.There will more stress onto the rear axle but less on the box.Another solution is BMW getrag box,also 6 speeds,proven up to 1000 N/m of torque...

any box? does that include the 616349 etc and other numbers? no difference?
seems to be a couple of those for resonable prices...
but would like to know what the difference is between them...

what clutch+flywheel can one use with them, any differences between numbers of gearbox?


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

swatmugga
GT2256V

130
07-08-2014, 09:22 AM #45
I have an 716.603 here.

Does it have a big difference to 716.654 or not?
swatmugga
07-08-2014, 09:22 AM #45

I have an 716.603 here.

Does it have a big difference to 716.654 or not?

TvaiX
Naturally-aspirated

9
07-08-2014, 12:23 PM #46
Maybe bell housing adapter what used for Om602 for G and T1 bus:
[Image: mEGboOU9LtjiRoosDerKoCA.jpg]

Can be used as adapter for bmw gear box? Anybody done research on it maybe?

Also I`m entertaining idea that maybe for fun put sequential gear box, anybody know good strong possibilities? How I understand USA has many possibilities, EU is pure in this area...
TvaiX
07-08-2014, 12:23 PM #46

Maybe bell housing adapter what used for Om602 for G and T1 bus:
[Image: mEGboOU9LtjiRoosDerKoCA.jpg]

Can be used as adapter for bmw gear box? Anybody done research on it maybe?

Also I`m entertaining idea that maybe for fun put sequential gear box, anybody know good strong possibilities? How I understand USA has many possibilities, EU is pure in this area...

HD30TOY
Naturally-aspirated

4
01-28-2016, 09:13 AM #47
(09-12-2013, 12:12 PM)HaavardPYA 716.651 is ok.

I want to put in my w201  om606 this gearbox...its plug and play with om606 engine?  what modification i need?
and clunch?
HD30TOY
01-28-2016, 09:13 AM #47

(09-12-2013, 12:12 PM)HaavardPYA 716.651 is ok.

I want to put in my w201  om606 this gearbox...its plug and play with om606 engine?  what modification i need?
and clunch?

m1tch
GT2559V

199
01-29-2016, 08:19 AM #48
Could you not install an uprated 722.6 automatic box and then add manual shifter paddles using the gearbox controller?
m1tch
01-29-2016, 08:19 AM #48

Could you not install an uprated 722.6 automatic box and then add manual shifter paddles using the gearbox controller?

Tito
Holset

354
01-29-2016, 11:39 AM #49
+1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.
Tito
01-29-2016, 11:39 AM #49

+1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.

m1tch
GT2559V

199
01-30-2016, 08:39 AM #50
(01-29-2016, 11:39 AM)Tito +1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.

Indeed, they kept the 722.6 box on the higher power V8 and V12 models as the newer gearbox with 7 gears wasn't strong enough, the AMG box does have a few differences with the clutch packs, considering you can get 1000bhp bulletproof NAG1 (722.6) boxes for drag racing its why I am staying with an auto, especially as I can get the gearbox controller and shift manually quicker than with an actual gearstick!
m1tch
01-30-2016, 08:39 AM #50

(01-29-2016, 11:39 AM)Tito +1 on that. I believe that's the strongest solution. The 722.6 strongest version was fitted in the e55 AMG (or the v12?) which will accept a diesel bellhousing.

Indeed, they kept the 722.6 box on the higher power V8 and V12 models as the newer gearbox with 7 gears wasn't strong enough, the AMG box does have a few differences with the clutch packs, considering you can get 1000bhp bulletproof NAG1 (722.6) boxes for drag racing its why I am staying with an auto, especially as I can get the gearbox controller and shift manually quicker than with an actual gearstick!

 
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