Best drop in turbo for the 617 with modified IP
Best drop in turbo for the 617 with modified IP
10-23-2011, 05:13 PM
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2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
What turbo is "best" for a 617-95X that is drop in- IE same T3 inlet and can be used as a daily driver on a car that has modified it's IP in some form? This basically rules out any VNT/VGT.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
10-23-2011, 06:42 PM
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(10-23-2011, 05:18 PM)aaa Have you looked at the 603 turbos? I wonder what the map on something like a 350SDL turbo is like. What're you bumping against with your current turbo anyhow?
A myna pump with an IC is worthy of a "better" turbo than stock.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(10-23-2011, 05:18 PM)aaa Have you looked at the 603 turbos? I wonder what the map on something like a 350SDL turbo is like. What're you bumping against with your current turbo anyhow?
A myna pump with an IC is worthy of a "better" turbo than stock.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
10-23-2011, 08:00 PM
#5
(10-23-2011, 06:42 PM)MTUPower(10-23-2011, 05:18 PM)aaa Have you looked at the 603 turbos? I wonder what the map on something like a 350SDL turbo is like. What're you bumping against with your current turbo anyhow?
A myna pump with an IC is worthy of a "better" turbo than stock.
Truthfully, I think your SAAB intercooler is a restriction and causing your smoking problem. You might get a better results without it and going back to a stock direct setup. But I do think a bigger turbo without with a different IC would be better.
Here are some I think may work, although some may disagree.
GT35 Ball bearing turbo, this may be close on the surge line but I think it's OK.
EDIT: Looking at the maps. These maybe to too big even for the Myna pump. I estimate it puts it past the surge lines. But you won't actually know it until you try it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3582R-...6061wt_753
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-70-HYBRID-...3826wt_911
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This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 06:10 PM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
10-23-2011, 08:00 PM #5(10-23-2011, 06:42 PM)MTUPower(10-23-2011, 05:18 PM)aaa Have you looked at the 603 turbos? I wonder what the map on something like a 350SDL turbo is like. What're you bumping against with your current turbo anyhow?
A myna pump with an IC is worthy of a "better" turbo than stock.
Truthfully, I think your SAAB intercooler is a restriction and causing your smoking problem. You might get a better results without it and going back to a stock direct setup. But I do think a bigger turbo without with a different IC would be better.
Here are some I think may work, although some may disagree.
GT35 Ball bearing turbo, this may be close on the surge line but I think it's OK.
EDIT: Looking at the maps. These maybe to too big even for the Myna pump. I estimate it puts it past the surge lines. But you won't actually know it until you try it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3582R-...6061wt_753
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-70-HYBRID-...3826wt_911
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10-23-2011, 08:20 PM
#7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT-Serie..._500wt_949
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3076R-...4799wt_698
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(10-23-2011, 08:19 PM)MFSuper90 Is an hx30 too small for the om617?
HX30 is in a good range for the 617.
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This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 12:22 PM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
10-23-2011, 08:20 PM #7These are probably a better fit if it's a T3 setup - GT30R. Again with ball bearings... Which I am a fan of it for quicker spooling in lue of a VNT.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT-Serie..._500wt_949
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3076R-...4799wt_698
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(10-23-2011, 08:19 PM)MFSuper90 Is an hx30 too small for the om617?
HX30 is in a good range for the 617.
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10-24-2011, 05:29 PM
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This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 05:50 PM by led-panzer.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
10-24-2011, 05:29 PM #9If your going to spend Garrett money, those master power R series turbos looked pretty damn good. First one in the compressor map link looks great for a 617
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
10-24-2011, 06:01 PM
#10
(10-24-2011, 05:29 PM)led-panzer If your going to spend Garrett money, those master power R series turbos looked pretty damn good. First one in the compressor map link looks great for a 617
Yes I seen that. It does sound intriguing when your at that type of money. I like to see the maps of the R474, R494 and R544/545.
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DeliveryValve
10-24-2011, 06:01 PM #10(10-24-2011, 05:29 PM)led-panzer If your going to spend Garrett money, those master power R series turbos looked pretty damn good. First one in the compressor map link looks great for a 617
Yes I seen that. It does sound intriguing when your at that type of money. I like to see the maps of the R474, R494 and R544/545.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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10-24-2011, 08:04 PM
#11
(10-23-2011, 08:00 PM)DeliveryValve Truthfully, I think your SAAB intercooler is a restriction and causing your smoking problem. You might get a better results without it and going back to a stock direct setup. But I do think a bigger turbo without with a different IC would be better.I have no smoke issues now that the timing is set to 19 degrees. There is less power, but nearly zero smoke. That tells me I need to move the timing closer to the 24 little by little and the magic number would be different for each turbo I believe. Remember I'm looking for a daily driver turbo- these "R" s units look good. For that money I might have someone build me a VGT setup as I do not have the time to design. build and install one.
This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 08:05 PM by MTUPower.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(10-23-2011, 08:00 PM)DeliveryValve Truthfully, I think your SAAB intercooler is a restriction and causing your smoking problem. You might get a better results without it and going back to a stock direct setup. But I do think a bigger turbo without with a different IC would be better.I have no smoke issues now that the timing is set to 19 degrees. There is less power, but nearly zero smoke. That tells me I need to move the timing closer to the 24 little by little and the magic number would be different for each turbo I believe. Remember I'm looking for a daily driver turbo- these "R" s units look good. For that money I might have someone build me a VGT setup as I do not have the time to design. build and install one.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
10-27-2011, 03:50 AM
#12
The pump is for the moment 6 mm, 90cc, if it dont is enough I build a new pump.
I come back when we have installet the beast.
dieselmeken
10-27-2011, 03:50 AM #12To the 617 engine that my friend has in his Land Rover, a brand new Garret GTX2867R is ordered. It´s not on the market yet, a new product that is pressuretested up to 2,5 bar. We calculate 2,2 bar for app 250 hp.
The pump is for the moment 6 mm, 90cc, if it dont is enough I build a new pump.
I come back when we have installet the beast.
10-28-2011, 12:06 AM
#13
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
10-28-2011, 12:06 AM #13The beast is right! I wanna see!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
11-12-2011, 05:13 PM
#14
looking for some input
thanks
This post was last modified: 11-12-2011, 05:16 PM by kmaser.
I'm finishing up the rebuild of my 617a and it will soon find it's way back into my gwagen, I haven't run it yet but I have my MW pump with Tomnik's 6.5mm elements installed. The plan is to run a VGT/VNT at some point but for now I am looking for a conventional turbo to run. The G wagen has 6.17 : 1 gears and 37" tires so I am more focused on bottom end than top end as it revs out quickly anyway, that being said I need a turbo that won't turn into a heat pump at the top end. The GT30R as suggested here looks promising but what configuration and AR should I be looking for ( T3 inlet, AR ? , internal waste gate ? , exhaust outlet V-band etc..? ) It looks like the cosworth housing might work well T3 inlet and the outlet looks close to the 3 bolt outlet on my stock K26 but no internal waste gate ?
looking for some input
thanks
11-13-2011, 12:41 PM
#15
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3071R-...458wt_1071
Garrett GT3071R (HKS GT2835) TURBO 4 BOLT GT T31 AR.63
Ideally for faster spolling for lower RPMs, you'll need to have the turbine a/r .63 or lower. Some of these vendors that sell GT30R' with a .48 a/r like the one I posted earlier would be great for you, but at the higher end, it will choke. That particular turbo is a GT3076R, which would not spool faster then the GT3071R, has an advantage of having a anti-surge housing for running higher boost. In any case I still like the GT3071R for the pump you have. Now if the GT2871R can be had in a T3, (it is a T25 turbo) it might be a better lower RPM choice.
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This post was last modified: 11-14-2011, 01:33 PM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
11-13-2011, 12:41 PM #15Someone else should chime in to be sure. But I really like the map on this GT3071R turbo for your application.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garrett-GT3071R-...458wt_1071
Garrett GT3071R (HKS GT2835) TURBO 4 BOLT GT T31 AR.63
Ideally for faster spolling for lower RPMs, you'll need to have the turbine a/r .63 or lower. Some of these vendors that sell GT30R' with a .48 a/r like the one I posted earlier would be great for you, but at the higher end, it will choke. That particular turbo is a GT3076R, which would not spool faster then the GT3071R, has an advantage of having a anti-surge housing for running higher boost. In any case I still like the GT3071R for the pump you have. Now if the GT2871R can be had in a T3, (it is a T25 turbo) it might be a better lower RPM choice.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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11-14-2011, 01:38 PM
#16
(10-27-2011, 03:50 AM)dieselmeken To the 617 engine that my friend has in his Land Rover, a brand new Garret GTX2867R is ordered. It´s not on the market yet, a new product that is pressuretested up to 2,5 bar. We calculate 2,2 bar for app 250 hp.
The pump is for the moment 6 mm, 90cc, if it dont is enough I build a new pump.
I come back when we have installet the beast.
I found the map on this GTX2867R .
and the smaller GTX2863R - Looks good for lower end.
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This post was last modified: 11-14-2011, 01:44 PM by DeliveryValve.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
11-14-2011, 01:38 PM #16(10-27-2011, 03:50 AM)dieselmeken To the 617 engine that my friend has in his Land Rover, a brand new Garret GTX2867R is ordered. It´s not on the market yet, a new product that is pressuretested up to 2,5 bar. We calculate 2,2 bar for app 250 hp.
The pump is for the moment 6 mm, 90cc, if it dont is enough I build a new pump.
I come back when we have installet the beast.
I found the map on this GTX2867R .
and the smaller GTX2863R - Looks good for lower end.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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