USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project
USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project
09-05-2011, 08:00 PM
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(09-05-2011, 07:45 PM)DeliveryValve Looking good! Thanks for the posts. I think the 722.608 is the better trans in terms of gearing if cost is a wash.
Thanks! I'm trying hard to make this a success!
Cost isn't a complete wash - sorry if I alluded to that. Here's why:
The 722.608 has expensive hard parts - and I'm not exactly sure what is needed in order to upgrade to handle 500-600HP. The only differences (other than the bellhousing) between the diesel version and the version behind the twin-turbo V12's is the number of clutches in a few different clutch packs, number of sun gears on one (maybe two...) planetary sets and the number of clutches in the torque converter. Fitting more clutches into a given clutch pack often requires new hard parts. Luckily, the diesel variant of the 722.6 is halfway there to being upgraded to V12 status. I have 2 different rebuild manuals for the 722.6/W5A580 and it seems to be a VERY simple transmission...something that I like very much.
The 4L80E has very cheap hard parts and nearly every transmission shop and vendor in the USA has these parts in stock. The 4L80E is a bit more complex mechanically to make up for the fact that it was built before modern electronics were good enough to shift a transmission with no bands and only clutch packs and planetary sets (like the 722.6).
Such is my mania, although I'm currently agonizing over finding the right intercooler. I have a roughly 22x20x3 space to fill, so that should provide decent surface area. Finding a pre-made core with those dimensions is proving to be difficult. I'm even contemplating going the air:water route... That's the beauty of this project - I can go any route I want, within reason.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
09-05-2011, 08:00 PM #10(09-05-2011, 07:45 PM)DeliveryValve Looking good! Thanks for the posts. I think the 722.608 is the better trans in terms of gearing if cost is a wash.
Thanks! I'm trying hard to make this a success!
Cost isn't a complete wash - sorry if I alluded to that. Here's why:
The 722.608 has expensive hard parts - and I'm not exactly sure what is needed in order to upgrade to handle 500-600HP. The only differences (other than the bellhousing) between the diesel version and the version behind the twin-turbo V12's is the number of clutches in a few different clutch packs, number of sun gears on one (maybe two...) planetary sets and the number of clutches in the torque converter. Fitting more clutches into a given clutch pack often requires new hard parts. Luckily, the diesel variant of the 722.6 is halfway there to being upgraded to V12 status. I have 2 different rebuild manuals for the 722.6/W5A580 and it seems to be a VERY simple transmission...something that I like very much.
The 4L80E has very cheap hard parts and nearly every transmission shop and vendor in the USA has these parts in stock. The 4L80E is a bit more complex mechanically to make up for the fact that it was built before modern electronics were good enough to shift a transmission with no bands and only clutch packs and planetary sets (like the 722.6).
Such is my mania, although I'm currently agonizing over finding the right intercooler. I have a roughly 22x20x3 space to fill, so that should provide decent surface area. Finding a pre-made core with those dimensions is proving to be difficult. I'm even contemplating going the air:water route... That's the beauty of this project - I can go any route I want, within reason.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
Messages In This Thread
USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 08-21-2011, 01:30 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 08-22-2011, 07:11 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 08-27-2011, 10:28 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 08-28-2011, 10:46 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by E300TSC - 08-29-2011, 03:58 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 08-31-2011, 06:30 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by winmutt - 09-01-2011, 01:39 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-05-2011, 10:39 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by DeliveryValve - 09-05-2011, 07:45 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-05-2011, 08:00 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by jonbobshinigin - 09-06-2011, 10:50 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-08-2011, 06:57 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by johan84 - 09-14-2011, 03:28 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-14-2011, 10:38 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by aaa - 09-15-2011, 03:36 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 11-10-2011, 01:21 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by hansebanger77 - 09-19-2011, 02:55 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by Captain America - 11-10-2011, 04:01 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by DanielK - 11-12-2011, 12:22 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by Hario' - 12-14-2011, 08:00 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 01-22-2012, 12:32 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by jonbobshinigin - 01-23-2012, 01:14 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by majesty78 - 01-23-2012, 03:52 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 01-24-2012, 10:33 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by sassparilla_kid - 05-08-2012, 12:43 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 06-05-2012, 11:46 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by johan84 - 06-15-2012, 02:36 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 06-17-2012, 09:47 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by johan84 - 06-18-2012, 12:31 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by Simpler=Better - 06-18-2012, 02:02 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 06-19-2012, 11:57 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-04-2012, 11:16 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by Purplecomputer - 09-04-2012, 11:58 PM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-05-2012, 12:05 AM
RE: USA W124/OM606 daily driver/superturbo project - by HoleshotHolset - 09-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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