Rack Limiter instructions
Rack Limiter instructions
06-25-2011, 10:05 PM
#1
1982 Mercedes 300td 200k miles???
1984 300td parts car rust bucket
1982 240d rust bucket economy car
1981 Honda xl500 bike
Hi could anyone please give me detailed instructions and possibly pictures on how to remove the rack limiter on a benz diesel? any help is appreciated.
1982 Mercedes 300td 200k miles???
1984 300td parts car rust bucket
1982 240d rust bucket economy car
1981 Honda xl500 bike
06-26-2011, 02:02 PM
#2
From FI's post
Full Load Limiter Removal Procedure
An exhaust temperature gauge (pyrometer) is necessary for reliable long-term operation of the engine after this modification. Do not exceed 1250°F in continuous operation or 1400°F in short bursts (under 5 seconds). Do not use any kind of sealer on any of the gaskets.
1: Remove the oil-filter housing. This is optional, with a long screwdriver its very possible to adjust everything with the housing in place.
2: Remove the pump back plate including shut off actuator and rack damper.
3: Disconnect the vacuum device linkage and tubes. Remove the top lid screws, turn the top lid (or remove both the ALDA and top plate for best access).
4: Remove the limiter's screws and nuts.
![[Image: aIPlimiternuts.jpg]](http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/turbo617/Mercedes%20Forum/aIPlimiternuts.jpg)
5: Push the limiter from the adjusting screw into the inside of the pump.
6: The hardest part is "digging" the limiter out of the bottom of the pump. A pen magnet is strongly suggested for this step. It can only exit through the thin slot on the top of the pump. You have two options- You can turn (rotate) the parts around inside the pump or you can punch out the guide pin the limiter used to slide on. The pin is no longer needed.
7: Once the limiter is out replace everything back in reverse order minus the limiter. Remember to use a new oil filter housing gasket and get the filter housing and block mating surfaces surgically clean. Be careful not to drop any gasket leftovers into an oil channel. If you get an oscillating idle this is a good place to replace the Rack Damper bolt with upgrade unit (upgraded one is gold anodized, the old silver in color) in the back plate of IP.
When you are done, you should have 5 or 6 parts left over (depending on the removal method you chose). DO NOT DISCARD THESE PARTS in case you decide to revert the operation at a later date.
![[Image: aIPlimiterpartsremoved.jpg]](http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/turbo617/Mercedes%20Forum/aIPlimiterpartsremoved.jpg)
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-26-2011, 02:02 PM #2You need to take the back cover off the IP and rotate the top cover (or remove) so you can get into the top of it also. Then you just loosen the the nuts (9mm, 13mm, 19mm?) and push the limiter inside of the pump and dig out with a pen magnet.
From FI's post
Full Load Limiter Removal Procedure
An exhaust temperature gauge (pyrometer) is necessary for reliable long-term operation of the engine after this modification. Do not exceed 1250°F in continuous operation or 1400°F in short bursts (under 5 seconds). Do not use any kind of sealer on any of the gaskets.
1: Remove the oil-filter housing. This is optional, with a long screwdriver its very possible to adjust everything with the housing in place.
2: Remove the pump back plate including shut off actuator and rack damper.
3: Disconnect the vacuum device linkage and tubes. Remove the top lid screws, turn the top lid (or remove both the ALDA and top plate for best access).
4: Remove the limiter's screws and nuts.
5: Push the limiter from the adjusting screw into the inside of the pump.
6: The hardest part is "digging" the limiter out of the bottom of the pump. A pen magnet is strongly suggested for this step. It can only exit through the thin slot on the top of the pump. You have two options- You can turn (rotate) the parts around inside the pump or you can punch out the guide pin the limiter used to slide on. The pin is no longer needed.
7: Once the limiter is out replace everything back in reverse order minus the limiter. Remember to use a new oil filter housing gasket and get the filter housing and block mating surfaces surgically clean. Be careful not to drop any gasket leftovers into an oil channel. If you get an oscillating idle this is a good place to replace the Rack Damper bolt with upgrade unit (upgraded one is gold anodized, the old silver in color) in the back plate of IP.
When you are done, you should have 5 or 6 parts left over (depending on the removal method you chose). DO NOT DISCARD THESE PARTS in case you decide to revert the operation at a later date.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
06-26-2011, 02:49 PM
#3
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
06-26-2011, 02:49 PM #3what is the most notable benefit to this mod? more topend?
cars? what cars? WHERE???
06-26-2011, 10:11 PM
#4
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
06-28-2011, 01:27 AM
#5
This post was last modified: 06-28-2011, 01:27 AM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-28-2011, 01:27 AM #5Waaa
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
06-28-2011, 09:32 AM
#6
(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
And how does one accomplish that??
'81 300SD- OM617.951, Turned-up Pump, Pushing 12PSI, 2.5" Turbo-Back Straight Pipe, Euro Head Lights, ALDA Removed, No EGR, Camo Dash + Seat Covers, DU Floor Mats, Cobra CB, LED Trunk lights, 12V outlets in the trunk, and other things...
Duckinator17
06-28-2011, 09:32 AM #6(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
And how does one accomplish that??
'81 300SD- OM617.951, Turned-up Pump, Pushing 12PSI, 2.5" Turbo-Back Straight Pipe, Euro Head Lights, ALDA Removed, No EGR, Camo Dash + Seat Covers, DU Floor Mats, Cobra CB, LED Trunk lights, 12V outlets in the trunk, and other things...
06-28-2011, 06:39 PM
#8
(06-28-2011, 09:32 AM)Duckinator17(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
And how does one accomplish that??
X2
dont hold out
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
06-28-2011, 06:39 PM #8(06-28-2011, 09:32 AM)Duckinator17(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
And how does one accomplish that??
X2
dont hold out
cars? what cars? WHERE???
06-29-2011, 10:49 AM
#9
We're also very very close to having some documentation on what-all everything does as well.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
You read the Bosch manual for the pump. I can't link to it because it's copyrighted and pirated, but it tells you everything you need to know.
We're also very very close to having some documentation on what-all everything does as well.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-01-2011, 04:14 PM
#10
(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
This is news to me, I realized more topend. But it was NOT worth the effort. You want power turn the valve holders, adjust the torque limiter, and raise max RPM. Your engine will explode but its shits n grins till it does.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(06-26-2011, 10:11 PM)300D50 If you read the bosch manual, you'll realize you don't need to remove it...
You just have to adjust the governor properly.
This is news to me, I realized more topend. But it was NOT worth the effort. You want power turn the valve holders, adjust the torque limiter, and raise max RPM. Your engine will explode but its shits n grins till it does.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
07-01-2011, 07:04 PM
#11
havnt heard about that one yet. anything you can do to stave off the whole exploding mess?
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-01-2011, 07:04 PM #11can i find info about "turning valve holders" in the search engine?
havnt heard about that one yet. anything you can do to stave off the whole exploding mess?
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-01-2011, 07:15 PM
#12
Don't turn them.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-02-2011, 01:34 PM
#13
(07-01-2011, 07:15 PM)300D50 Yeah, there's one sure-fire way to mitigate it.
Don't turn them.
^^^^^^ X2 LOL
Removal of the Rack Limiter, (a very important part), in an effort to increase useable performance is counter productive.
The reason that many have said that after they adjusted the Rack limiter they didn't see much of a increase, (so they then removed it only to find it is not much better), is because there is another adjustment that needs to be made along with the Rack Limiter (Full Load), in order for the Rack Limiter adjustment to be utilized.
Bosch set the Governor up so it only wants to move the rack as far as the stock Rack Limiter setting, (Hint, its the first thing that they want you to set), so increasing the amount the Rack can travel does nothing if the Governor doesn't push the rack farther to the new stop location. Depending you who set your governor up at the factory, (everyone does it a little different as there is a tolerance for each setting), a Rack Limiter adjustment will respond differently, some good, some not much of a change.
With the proper adjustments made, it really only takes a relatively small Rack Limiter adjustment to get a good performance increase across a wider RPM range, while allowing you to control the Max EGTs, making the adjustment a positive as the car will be drivable and you can utilize the performance.
I have generated a 11 or 13 page doc, (can't remember which), where I describe what all is going on in the governor housing, and what affect the different adjustments have on each other and the drivability of the car. I even cover "Turning the Delivery Valve Holders". (Hint, its a no no)
300D50 asked me to add a couple more things to the doc, plus, we need some pics of the RW in and out to label. I am really busy, and I often chose to relax on my off time or try to get personal things done. If you want to help speed things up, help us out and post some pictures.
This post was last modified: 07-02-2011, 01:36 PM by OM616.
(07-01-2011, 07:15 PM)300D50 Yeah, there's one sure-fire way to mitigate it.
Don't turn them.
^^^^^^ X2 LOL
Removal of the Rack Limiter, (a very important part), in an effort to increase useable performance is counter productive.
The reason that many have said that after they adjusted the Rack limiter they didn't see much of a increase, (so they then removed it only to find it is not much better), is because there is another adjustment that needs to be made along with the Rack Limiter (Full Load), in order for the Rack Limiter adjustment to be utilized.
Bosch set the Governor up so it only wants to move the rack as far as the stock Rack Limiter setting, (Hint, its the first thing that they want you to set), so increasing the amount the Rack can travel does nothing if the Governor doesn't push the rack farther to the new stop location. Depending you who set your governor up at the factory, (everyone does it a little different as there is a tolerance for each setting), a Rack Limiter adjustment will respond differently, some good, some not much of a change.
With the proper adjustments made, it really only takes a relatively small Rack Limiter adjustment to get a good performance increase across a wider RPM range, while allowing you to control the Max EGTs, making the adjustment a positive as the car will be drivable and you can utilize the performance.
I have generated a 11 or 13 page doc, (can't remember which), where I describe what all is going on in the governor housing, and what affect the different adjustments have on each other and the drivability of the car. I even cover "Turning the Delivery Valve Holders". (Hint, its a no no)
300D50 asked me to add a couple more things to the doc, plus, we need some pics of the RW in and out to label. I am really busy, and I often chose to relax on my off time or try to get personal things done. If you want to help speed things up, help us out and post some pictures.
07-02-2011, 04:38 PM
#14
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-02-2011, 04:38 PM #14well ya, i thought you did the rack limiter and full load together. did someone say you shouldnt? or are you just pointing out that you definantly should to make sure its been said? because thats ALWAYS a good thing to do lol. because some times people "in the know" that are trying to help forget to mention things that people SHOULD know before messing with stuff lol.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-02-2011, 04:56 PM
#15
(07-02-2011, 04:38 PM)randomdude well ya, i thought you did the rack limiter and full load together. did someone say you shouldnt? or are you just pointing out that you definantly should to make sure its been said? because thats ALWAYS a good thing to do lol. because some times people "in the know" that are trying to help forget to mention things that people SHOULD know before messing with stuff lol.
So where is the Rack Limiter adjustment?
Where is the Full Load Adjustment?
How does one affect the other?
Seems like I am wasting my time when others have the knowledge but sit back and let someone else do the work.
Everyone who knows how to make proper governor adjustments should identify themselves and contribute.
This post was last modified: 07-02-2011, 04:57 PM by OM616.
(07-02-2011, 04:38 PM)randomdude well ya, i thought you did the rack limiter and full load together. did someone say you shouldnt? or are you just pointing out that you definantly should to make sure its been said? because thats ALWAYS a good thing to do lol. because some times people "in the know" that are trying to help forget to mention things that people SHOULD know before messing with stuff lol.
So where is the Rack Limiter adjustment?
Where is the Full Load Adjustment?
How does one affect the other?
Seems like I am wasting my time when others have the knowledge but sit back and let someone else do the work.
Everyone who knows how to make proper governor adjustments should identify themselves and contribute.
07-02-2011, 08:00 PM
#17
if you were to tell me the propure procedures i would be greatful, seriously! i want to learn all about IP's, and how to tune them.
all i was saying was that i read that in a stickied thread and i thought it was known you were supposed to do them together, i wasnt trying to be rude. your not wasting your time at all, at least not to me. sorry if i offended
please tell me as much as you will 
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-02-2011, 08:00 PM #17i'm not saying i have all the answers man, thats why i'm here, to learn!!! i want to know as much as i can about this, i've never had a diesel and getting to learn a whole new world excites the tits off me! please tell me as much as you are willing to type. i will read every bit of it i assure you!
if you were to tell me the propure procedures i would be greatful, seriously! i want to learn all about IP's, and how to tune them.
all i was saying was that i read that in a stickied thread and i thought it was known you were supposed to do them together, i wasnt trying to be rude. your not wasting your time at all, at least not to me. sorry if i offended please tell me as much as you will
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-03-2011, 12:30 PM
#18
(07-02-2011, 08:00 PM)randomdude i'm not saying i have all the answers man, thats why i'm here, to learn!!! i want to know as much as i can about this, i've never had a diesel and getting to learn a whole new world excites the tits off me! please tell me as much as you are willing to type. i will read every bit of it i assure you!
if you were to tell me the propure procedures i would be greatful, seriously! i want to learn all about IP's, and how to tune them.
all i was saying was that i read that in a stickied thread and i thought it was known you were supposed to do them together, i wasnt trying to be rude. your not wasting your time at all, at least not to me. sorry if i offended
No need to kiss my A$$. Its a pet peeve of mine when someone, who, by their own admission, is not knowledgeable on a subject spouts off, "well duah, everyone knows that", Really??? Your kidding right??
I am more that willing to answer educated questions, but when people; instead of doing the work studding the manuals and on-line Bosch materials in order to be able to ask an educated question, just hold out their hands and say thanks for doing all the work, now give it to me, I get upset. "I'll take everything you are willing to give me"
Please to all that are "waiting like piranhas or hungry dogs" for information of any sort, for the sake of my faith in humanity, give something back to the forum. I'm not talking about just posting some pictures of your car, or what you are doing to it, I mean really contribute something that takes some work. Provide some information that others can really use and might not have access to. There, I'm done venting.
I think a beta version of the doc will be posted soon. I just read an edited version.
(07-02-2011, 08:00 PM)randomdude i'm not saying i have all the answers man, thats why i'm here, to learn!!! i want to know as much as i can about this, i've never had a diesel and getting to learn a whole new world excites the tits off me! please tell me as much as you are willing to type. i will read every bit of it i assure you!
if you were to tell me the propure procedures i would be greatful, seriously! i want to learn all about IP's, and how to tune them.
all i was saying was that i read that in a stickied thread and i thought it was known you were supposed to do them together, i wasnt trying to be rude. your not wasting your time at all, at least not to me. sorry if i offended
No need to kiss my A$$. Its a pet peeve of mine when someone, who, by their own admission, is not knowledgeable on a subject spouts off, "well duah, everyone knows that", Really??? Your kidding right??
I am more that willing to answer educated questions, but when people; instead of doing the work studding the manuals and on-line Bosch materials in order to be able to ask an educated question, just hold out their hands and say thanks for doing all the work, now give it to me, I get upset. "I'll take everything you are willing to give me"
Please to all that are "waiting like piranhas or hungry dogs" for information of any sort, for the sake of my faith in humanity, give something back to the forum. I'm not talking about just posting some pictures of your car, or what you are doing to it, I mean really contribute something that takes some work. Provide some information that others can really use and might not have access to. There, I'm done venting.
I think a beta version of the doc will be posted soon. I just read an edited version.
07-03-2011, 01:07 PM
#19
Hey, people, take a look in the recent threads...
This post was last modified: 07-03-2011, 01:43 PM by 300D50.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I've also ordered BOSCH's "diesel fuel injection" manual, so we'll have moore soon.
Hey, people, take a look in the recent threads...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-03-2011, 06:07 PM
#20
if you directed me to a link, instead of just info dumping i'd be more than happy.
and how can you get mad at another enthusiast for saying "i'll take all you can give me" when i'm clearly simply trying to learn about this same stuff !?!?!?!? so that in the future i can give back what i recieve?
but it's ok, just keep making fun of people
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-03-2011, 06:07 PM #20OM616- i was NOT kiss'n your a$$, or trying to stick my hand out. i am more than happy to read the bosch (or any other for that matter) material all day long. i just dont know where to find THE STUFF THAT IS RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT!
if you directed me to a link, instead of just info dumping i'd be more than happy.
and how can you get mad at another enthusiast for saying "i'll take all you can give me" when i'm clearly simply trying to learn about this same stuff !?!?!?!? so that in the future i can give back what i recieve?
but it's ok, just keep making fun of people
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-03-2011, 06:14 PM
#21
No need for a flame war guys, OM616 is just apprehensive after being roasted by a former forum member.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Er, we just posted the link to the doc...
No need for a flame war guys, OM616 is just apprehensive after being roasted by a former forum member.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-03-2011, 10:41 PM
#22
and i dont roast, i just hunt for knowledge! so school me all day long lol
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-03-2011, 10:41 PM #22yes, and the link was HIGHLY appreciated!
and i dont roast, i just hunt for knowledge! so school me all day long lol
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-05-2011, 03:42 PM
#23
If you don't want to post or don't have the time to then don't tell people that you know exactly what to do!!!! And get them excited, then them 'em hanging
I was under the impression that he just needed to gather info that he already had, and just needed to post it. I didn't know he was writing a book. I didn't know so much work was involved!!! I don't want anything for free and I WILL NOT KISS ASS FOR IT.
I share anything that I know freely. I DGAF if forced was gay and tried to flame me for it. I have thick skin. I feel it is my duty to share here as much as possible in trade for what I have learned by using this site. Yes I have a personal life, you think I want to spend all my free time here? Hell no, but I will use my free time to answer someones question, no matter if it is educated or not.
Sorry we bugged you OM616
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-05-2011, 03:42 PM #23Who gives a flying F**K who roasted him.... That member is no longer here.
If you don't want to post or don't have the time to then don't tell people that you know exactly what to do!!!! And get them excited, then them 'em hanging
I was under the impression that he just needed to gather info that he already had, and just needed to post it. I didn't know he was writing a book. I didn't know so much work was involved!!! I don't want anything for free and I WILL NOT KISS ASS FOR IT.
I share anything that I know freely. I DGAF if forced was gay and tried to flame me for it. I have thick skin. I feel it is my duty to share here as much as possible in trade for what I have learned by using this site. Yes I have a personal life, you think I want to spend all my free time here? Hell no, but I will use my free time to answer someones question, no matter if it is educated or not.
Sorry we bugged you OM616
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-05-2011, 04:07 PM
#24
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-05-2011, 04:16 PM
#25
(07-05-2011, 03:42 PM)Captain America Who gives a flying F**K who roasted him.... That member is no longer here.
If you don't want to post or don't have the time to then don't tell people that you know exactly what to do!!!! And get them excited, then them 'em hanging
I was under the impression that he just needed to gather info that he already had, and just needed to post it. I didn't know he was writing a book. I didn't know so much work was involved!!! I don't want anything for free and I WILL NOT KISS ASS FOR IT.
I share anything that I know freely. I DGAF if forced was gay and tried to flame me for it. I have thick skin. I feel it is my duty to share here as much as possible in trade for what I have learned by using this site. Yes I have a personal life, you think I want to spend all my free time here? Hell no, but I will use my free time to answer someones question, no matter if it is educated or not.
Sorry we bugged you OM616
REALY??!!
Just so it's known, I generated "the book" several months ago and the moderators were sitting on it.
A simple thank you will suffice. I'm glad that I could help
. This post was last modified: 07-05-2011, 04:21 PM by OM616.
(07-05-2011, 03:42 PM)Captain America Who gives a flying F**K who roasted him.... That member is no longer here.
If you don't want to post or don't have the time to then don't tell people that you know exactly what to do!!!! And get them excited, then them 'em hanging
I was under the impression that he just needed to gather info that he already had, and just needed to post it. I didn't know he was writing a book. I didn't know so much work was involved!!! I don't want anything for free and I WILL NOT KISS ASS FOR IT.
I share anything that I know freely. I DGAF if forced was gay and tried to flame me for it. I have thick skin. I feel it is my duty to share here as much as possible in trade for what I have learned by using this site. Yes I have a personal life, you think I want to spend all my free time here? Hell no, but I will use my free time to answer someones question, no matter if it is educated or not.
Sorry we bugged you OM616
REALY??!!
Just so it's known, I generated "the book" several months ago and the moderators were sitting on it.
A simple thank you will suffice. I'm glad that I could help
.
07-05-2011, 06:32 PM
#26
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Yeah, I was being a bit lazy and put off editing it for a while... eeek... I'll go bash my head in with a turbocharger now...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-06-2011, 12:11 AM
#27
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-06-2011, 12:11 AM #27No, I am plenty thankful for his work and knowledge and everything.... It just seems that He/You are being so bitter and harsh towards the rest of us, for something Forced did. Thats not cool. I am sure that anyone here is willing to do work to get answers but if they were already had, then what could have been done to help?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-06-2011, 04:39 AM
#29
It's like saying that every gun barrel, ammo choice, windage situation, distance situation, and person can use the EXACT same scope/sight settings.
Indeed, bosch doesn't give you a step-by-step for adjusting either, their own training material (can't post a link, but it's out there) just says to dial it in on the bench, till it meets the test plan, keeping in mind what each adjustment does.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
The main point is, a "turn this in by X turns" guide won't work. It's not the nature of the beast.
It's like saying that every gun barrel, ammo choice, windage situation, distance situation, and person can use the EXACT same scope/sight settings.
Indeed, bosch doesn't give you a step-by-step for adjusting either, their own training material (can't post a link, but it's out there) just says to dial it in on the bench, till it meets the test plan, keeping in mind what each adjustment does.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
07-06-2011, 07:26 AM
#30
(07-06-2011, 12:11 AM)Captain America No, I am plenty thankful for his work and knowledge and everything.... It just seems that He/You are being so bitter and harsh towards the rest of us, for something Forced did. Thats not cool. I am sure that anyone here is willing to do work to get answers but if they were already had, then what could have been done to help?
I thought I should clear something up.
My frustration has nothing to do with butt munch, but rather, from my perspective, a lack of understating and value of what it took to be able to generate the doc. I am from the school where you earn what you get, and that things of value are exchanged for things of value. I have had members offer me information from out of know where, some information I have already, and some that is new, and I really appreciated the offer, as I understand what it took to gather what they gave me, because I have done it to gather the what I currently had.
I have noticed that there seems to be a thinking that if one has information, that they are obligated to share it, or that the forum has a right to it,... redistribution of information comes to mind.
Now, I'm sure everyone will be excited by now, saying, but if you would tell me where to go, I'll do the work, and that is the point, everyone has the same search engines that I do, but it is the time in research that I spent, that is not valued in that case. Now don't get me wrong, I don’t want people to kiss my ass and build a monument or anything, it just rubs me the wrong way.
Maybe it's because there are so many big fish in a small pond, (no offence to STD), but I just don't feel like I fit here, and the friction backs that up.
I feel like I fit better on the other forum, so I will stay over there.
The doc, when combined with the MB 300DT engine service manual has way more information than what I had to start with. A person will learn a lot more from doing it themselves as apposed to having it done for them.
(07-06-2011, 12:11 AM)Captain America No, I am plenty thankful for his work and knowledge and everything.... It just seems that He/You are being so bitter and harsh towards the rest of us, for something Forced did. Thats not cool. I am sure that anyone here is willing to do work to get answers but if they were already had, then what could have been done to help?
I thought I should clear something up.
My frustration has nothing to do with butt munch, but rather, from my perspective, a lack of understating and value of what it took to be able to generate the doc. I am from the school where you earn what you get, and that things of value are exchanged for things of value. I have had members offer me information from out of know where, some information I have already, and some that is new, and I really appreciated the offer, as I understand what it took to gather what they gave me, because I have done it to gather the what I currently had.
I have noticed that there seems to be a thinking that if one has information, that they are obligated to share it, or that the forum has a right to it,... redistribution of information comes to mind.
Now, I'm sure everyone will be excited by now, saying, but if you would tell me where to go, I'll do the work, and that is the point, everyone has the same search engines that I do, but it is the time in research that I spent, that is not valued in that case. Now don't get me wrong, I don’t want people to kiss my ass and build a monument or anything, it just rubs me the wrong way.
Maybe it's because there are so many big fish in a small pond, (no offence to STD), but I just don't feel like I fit here, and the friction backs that up.
I feel like I fit better on the other forum, so I will stay over there.
The doc, when combined with the MB 300DT engine service manual has way more information than what I had to start with. A person will learn a lot more from doing it themselves as apposed to having it done for them.
07-06-2011, 10:26 AM
#31
Sorry you feel that way. I don't understand why you do, still. I don't think anyone takes information for granted here; I don't.
This is the only forum I have found that I like. Which one is your "home"
This post was last modified: 07-06-2011, 10:26 AM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-06-2011, 10:26 AM #31I was writing an essay, but I'll keep it short.
Sorry you feel that way. I don't understand why you do, still. I don't think anyone takes information for granted here; I don't.
This is the only forum I have found that I like. Which one is your "home"
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-06-2011, 03:46 PM
#33
(07-06-2011, 02:41 PM)smoke026 We are not merely remotely close to anything really "RACE" related on this or any other W123 sites, so why are people so PISSY? I mean, fuck! 15-18 sec 1/4 mile runs are still SLOW. The w123 cars will never be fast enough to get into pissing matches about. This is beginning to remind me of the DUCKS in high school who would fight over their Cold Air Intake Kits and their 5 ft spoilers till some one pulled up in a 400HP car.
This is not a High End Custom Underground "earn your stripes" vintage Mclaren F1 forum. ITS JUST W123's!! YES, THE CARS WE BOUGHT FROM GRANDMA ACROSS THE STREET!! 8)
All of these W123 forums are full of arrogant caulky OM617 Experts who hold the key and holy grail secretes to making 50 more HP..WOW! Congratulations, your cars are almost as fast as my Dixie chopper lawn mower.
AMEN!
Is there some sorta secret highly competitive Mercedes diesel racing orginization out there where people are trying to figure out out to get 5more HP OVER the other guy???
No body is racing this things, and theres no competitve racing circut out there for these cars...
Just some people who are(for some reason) attractred to(trying) to modify these slow old heavy cars, and want to have fun doing it.
If somone has a problem giving information then dont give it.
Most of the people on this site are here to LEARN HOW TO tune up these cars..MOST(some?) of us DO NOT have much of/if any a clue how to go about doing it.
And when somthing is found on how to increase the performance a little bit, most of us are very eager and willing to try it on our own cars asap.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(07-06-2011, 02:41 PM)smoke026 We are not merely remotely close to anything really "RACE" related on this or any other W123 sites, so why are people so PISSY? I mean, fuck! 15-18 sec 1/4 mile runs are still SLOW. The w123 cars will never be fast enough to get into pissing matches about. This is beginning to remind me of the DUCKS in high school who would fight over their Cold Air Intake Kits and their 5 ft spoilers till some one pulled up in a 400HP car.
This is not a High End Custom Underground "earn your stripes" vintage Mclaren F1 forum. ITS JUST W123's!! YES, THE CARS WE BOUGHT FROM GRANDMA ACROSS THE STREET!! 8)
All of these W123 forums are full of arrogant caulky OM617 Experts who hold the key and holy grail secretes to making 50 more HP..WOW! Congratulations, your cars are almost as fast as my Dixie chopper lawn mower.
AMEN!
Is there some sorta secret highly competitive Mercedes diesel racing orginization out there where people are trying to figure out out to get 5more HP OVER the other guy???
No body is racing this things, and theres no competitve racing circut out there for these cars...
Just some people who are(for some reason) attractred to(trying) to modify these slow old heavy cars, and want to have fun doing it.
If somone has a problem giving information then dont give it.
Most of the people on this site are here to LEARN HOW TO tune up these cars..MOST(some?) of us DO NOT have much of/if any a clue how to go about doing it.
And when somthing is found on how to increase the performance a little bit, most of us are very eager and willing to try it on our own cars asap.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
07-06-2011, 04:10 PM
#34
I saw this somewhere else but I think its true - its a lot more fun to make a slow car go fast than to drive a fast car slow.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
07-06-2011, 04:10 PM #34CIDvicious had some pretty good rants about the same thing - if you really wanna go fast just swap a v8 in there. To me, that's giving up. Honestly for 3000-4000 bucks you can get yourself a myna pump, kkd manifold, bigass turbo and an intercooler, and have a pretty damn fast Mercedes diesel. The fun part about this site is the every man mods that can be done cheap and in the driveway, while we drool over the people who put the money, time, and money into their cars like jeemu, Rudolph, ect.
I saw this somewhere else but I think its true - its a lot more fun to make a slow car go fast than to drive a fast car slow.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
07-06-2011, 07:19 PM
#35
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-06-2011, 07:19 PM #35Well Said guys
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-07-2011, 05:21 AM
#36
Ed
yankneck696
07-07-2011, 05:21 AM #36I am in complete agreement with OM616. He went through alot to create that document & the moderators probably did alot of work editing it. Now, yall are whining & pissing that you don't have specific directions & basicly insulting him? WTF??????? You SHOULD be kissing his ass. I never really understood how the IP truly worked & now can visualize the whole works. I call it ungrateful. Grow up !!!
Ed
07-08-2011, 02:30 PM
#37
Ok it worked picture is there. I do better with engines then computers. If someone can add the arrows to the right screws. I can write a discription of which ones are what, but arrows with labels would be better.
This post was last modified: 07-08-2011, 02:32 PM by ronnie.
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Ok it worked picture is there. I do better with engines then computers. If someone can add the arrows to the right screws. I can write a discription of which ones are what, but arrows with labels would be better.
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07-08-2011, 03:44 PM
#38
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-08-2011, 03:44 PM #38I can do it later tonight or tomorrow. Or you could look at FI's pic and do your own
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-08-2011, 07:05 PM
#39
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-08-2011, 07:05 PM #39sweeet! as soon as you do CA (if you do, no pressure) i'm going to save it, make it my desktop back ground, drink 100 redbulls, stare at it for 3 days and memorize it all then drink 100 more and go to town on my IP. lol.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
07-08-2011, 08:14 PM
#40
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
I "might" "might" be able to get my hands on a cut away display pump.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-08-2011, 08:30 PM
#41
Cheers, and again, no hard feelings.. I will stay away for a while..
I have taken all of my previous post down because I feel that my sarcasm was too harsh..My bad to all that it may have offended. For the record, I have not personally requested any pump info on this site. Thanks for posting the follow up pics though as it may help any who may choose to tinker with theirs. I will not be touching my pump. Just not worth it.
Cheers, and again, no hard feelings.. I will stay away for a while..
07-08-2011, 08:48 PM
#42
yankneck696
07-08-2011, 08:48 PM #42Smoke, you are a better man than most. Please feel free to tweak your pump & then maybe a turbo upgrade to realize all that is possible with your stock IP. You may just get addicted to it & go for STD mods to your pump.
07-08-2011, 11:58 PM
#43
Like I said before, i'm stressed and was in a bad mood when a lot of this happened, not that it's an excuse for any of it.
I think the big issue is text doesn't, and never will, transmit sarcasm, inflection, or tone very well.
There's no need to stay away Smoke, I think we all realize there was a big communication gap scenario going on between all of us, and we worked it out.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I'm sorry for adding fuel to the fire, I didn't mean to snap at anyone.
Like I said before, i'm stressed and was in a bad mood when a lot of this happened, not that it's an excuse for any of it.
I think the big issue is text doesn't, and never will, transmit sarcasm, inflection, or tone very well.
There's no need to stay away Smoke, I think we all realize there was a big communication gap scenario going on between all of us, and we worked it out.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
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