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Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
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Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
Admin edit: old thread is here http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...hp?tid=235 beware some of the specs are incorrect

Ok, I decided to totally redo the turbo information thread, with a collaborative approach.

We're going to list actual turbos members have used, with the model and engine, short blurbs on the characteristics it had (when does it spool up, when does it choke, does it surge, etc), any adaptation notes (flanges, clocking, etc), what it originally came off of, compressor/turbine maps, etc.

So anyone who's got an unusual turbo, come make a post in this thread, and give a quick summary on what the deal is with it, and possibly a link to a more in-depth thread of yours.

I will compile a list of these turbos, with a list of the members who posted about each one underneath (linking to that particular post).

We also need stock turbo information too, basic info like "Here's a KKK" and "Here's a Garrett". Wastegate adjustment procedures would be nice too.

I think I'll start with the electronic GT2256V I attempted to cram onto my om617. Need to snap more pics of it.



Exhaust Flanges
Thanks to Zeitgeist for the photo

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T3 Flange
Used on most Mercedes 3L/3.5L engines til 1995.
T25 Flange
Used on 2.5L engines til 1995.
Late 90s MB Flange
I'm not sure what the real name for this is. At some point in the late 90s MB switched to this for the OM606 turbo and the Sprinter OM602. It is triangular, with a round opening in the middle.
2000-Present MB Flange
This is the flange MB uses on most of it's common-rail engines.

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Stock Turbos
MB alternated between KKK and Garrett frequently. The KKK turbos spool up slightly faster.
KKK K26
Stock on 3.0L OM617, T3 flange. Not sure what years, generally later (82-85).
Garrett T3 .45 Trim (TAO301/TAO310/TAO314)
Stock on 3.0L OM617. '78-85 300SD, '82-85 300D, '81-85 300TD.
KKK K24
Stock on 3.0L OM603, T3 flange. '86-87 300SDL, '87 300D/TD.
Thanks to babymog for the photo
[Image: attachment.php?aid=4422]
Garrett T3 .50 Trim (TBO359/TBO360)
Stock on the 3.0L OM603, '86-87 300SDL, '87 300D/TD.
Compressor Inducer 42.5mm
Compressor Exducer 60.1mm
Turbine Exducer 48.62
Turbine Inducer 58.98
Thanks to babymog for the photo
[Image: attachment.php?aid=4423]
Garrett T3 .55 Trim (TB0369/TB03)
Stock on the 3.5L OM603, '90-91 350SDL, '92-95 300SD/S350. Has a more efficient compressor map for 603s.
CH A/R .52, EH A/R .48, Compressor 45mm/60 mm, Turbine 48mm
Thanks to babymog for the photo
[Image: attachment.php?aid=4427]
Garrett T25 (TB2510/TB2550)
Stock on 2.5L OM602, '87 190D Turbo, '90-'93 300D.
KKK K14
Stock on 2.5L OM602, '87 190D Turbo, '90-'93 300D, 3.0L OM606, '98-99 E300TD.
Thanks to Zeitgeist for the photo of his 606, that's a custom actuator and oilpan btw

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Garrett VNT Turbos
Patent document : http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/...053579.pdf
GT2056V vacuum actuated
Found on the '05-06 Jeep Liberty 2.8L CRD. Unique flange.
GT2256V vacuum actuated
Found on the '01-03 Dodge/Freightliner Sprinter OM612 2.7L. 2000-style MB flange.
Thanks to DeliveryValve for the photo

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GT2256V eletronically actuated
Found on the '04-06 Dodge/Freightliner Sprinter OM647 2.7L. 2000-style MB flange.

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Wastegated Holset Turbos
HX30W
Found on the 4bt engines, Compressor inducer 42mm, compressor exducer 72mm T3 Flange
HY30W
Found on the 4bt engines (4btswaps.com is a good resource). Compressor 68mm T25 Flange.
HY35
Found on the 2000-2002 automatic Dodge Ram 5.9L. 9cm exhaust housing. T3 flange.
HX35W
Found on the 1998-2002 Dodge Ram 5.9L (only on manual for 2000+). 54mm inducer76mm exducer 10/12/16cm exhaust housings. Divided T3 flange.
HE341
Found on the 2003-2004 Dodge Ram 5.9L. T3 flange. Compressor 56/76 mm, Turbine 58/54mm.
[Image: he341.jpg]
HE351CW
Found on the 2004.5-2006 Dodge Ram 5.9L. 9cm exhaust housing.
HE300WG
Compressor 58/85mm, Turbine 65/52mm
8cm2 housing with "special" T4 flange (T4I?)
Can flow 66lbs/min and pr of 5

Holset VGT Turbos
HE351VE
Found on the 2007+ Dodge Ram 6.7L. 25cm variable exhaust housing. WGMT flange.


Members' Modifications
babymog's .55 Trim Garrett
3.5L turbo transplanted to a 3.0L OM603
87 300TD - OM603 3L - IP rack limiter removed - Summary
Captain America's Modded 60 trim Garrett
A stock 617 Garrett rebuilt with a 60 trim compressor wheel instead of 45 trim for better efficiency at high rpms.
82 300D - OM617 - Summary - Long Thread
olefejer's Holset HE341VE and HE351VE
96 SL320 - OM606 - modified 7mm IP - Summary
dieselboy's Holset HY35
80 300SD - OM617 - Summary - Long Thread
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
Well not unusual but when my stock Garrett T3 45 trim self destructed, I opted to rebuild it with a 60trim compressor wheel.

Poor Little 45 trim looks like this @4500 rpm with 15lbs of boost:


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New and improved 60 trim is much happier!


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The old 45 trim just kinda screams but the 60 trim goes supersonic at speed. Sounds way cool. Not to mention the improved efficiency.
Boost comes in a tad earlier actually

45 trim comp wheel view:

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60 Trim Wheel View, Obvious difference

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For you So-Cal guys, I got all the work done @ Performance Techniques in San Berdoo. http://www.turbocharged.com Cost $400 for new cartridge, turbine wheel, Comp wheel, Comp housing machining, Balancing, Seals, and all
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
I have the 2 different turbos a garrett t3 on my good car and on the engine I am getting ready for my mod I have a kkk because the garrett rebuild kits are easily available what would I need to change out the kkk and can I use a turbo off a nissan z car they used turbos and they used a garrett t3 also the t3 was used on many different manufactures what t3 would be the best to drop turbo lag down some

thanks capt for starting this thread I hope we get some great info
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Will it be better to use a 60 trim even if the engine is fairly stock? Looking to have my turbo rebuilt soon.. my compressor wheel is beat to sh*t...
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Look at the map. Better yet, it would be awesome if an OM617's rpm can be plotted across these maps, would make understanding them way easier.

The 60 trim optimizes for higher rpms. GSXR seemed think his 55 trim was a better balance, that's the stock 3.5L turbo.

Spooling is trickier. The maps don't really help with that. Probably gonna have to rely on actual experience. Anyways, I doubt another old wastegated turbo would be any better than the stock one. It's either going for smaller turbine housing (choking off higher rpm) or VNT.
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You could map out rpm vs boost to come up with a line graph - turbo map... Would be a lot of work though and I would have to note where boost is at what rpm... at WOT?

I should have added the calculator link ... Here it is, just modify the rpm, boost; and altitude if needed....

http://www.not2fast.com/turbo/glossary/t...utyCycle=0
The only thing I am unsure on is CFM or flow out of the turbo. Wouldn't flow be much higher with a 60 trim vs. a 45 trim at the same boost?

I say the 60 trim is sweet and allows for higher boost if you decide to increase it. It worked awesome on my old 617 that was dying. I cant wait to throw it on the good current 617 i am driving now...

1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

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I'll log boost, RPM, EGT, and EGP once I have everything worked out and built up, should be very interesting!
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Could video it pretty easy, then just need to jot it down

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AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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What exactly are these graphs showing might i ask? *not diesel tech trained* Tongue
So a 60 trim would work nicely with a stock OM617?
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I'm running the .55 trim Garrett T-3 on my mildly-modded 603. It gives me plenty of boost by 2000rpm, wastegate is set at 18.5psi which it hits by 3500rpm, really nice low-end power from this setup. I'd imagine that you need some significant IP tuning to be able to use all of the air from the T-30 Garrett on a 617, 60-trim stock? Overkill.

It does have an annoying shreik from about 8psi-10psi, which happens to be where it runs at 75mph/3krpm, I need to find a way to quiet that down. Above that it crosses the 17khz audible threshold and I can't hear it anymore, probably pisses off nearby dogs though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZCI0BTWKx8
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
We need pics of stock ones too. I have some 603 kkk turbos with and without ARV I can snap pics of.
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
Here is some information on
Turbo: HE341VE
Motor: OM606
I have just changed my HE351VE to the smaller HE341VE. it spools faster and gives more boost at lover RPM.

Here are some numbers in high gear, meaning motor RPM rise slow. giving the turbo more time to build boost.

The engine feels fantastic pulling from 2500 - 5000 RPM Big Grin

Now width the HE341VE
0.5 bar at 2000 RPM (EGP 0,8)
1.0 bar at 2500 RPM (EGP 1,3)
1.5 bar at 2700 RPM (EGP 1,8)
1.8 bar at 3000 RPM (EGP 2,1)
holding 1.8 bar all the way to 5000 RPM (120,000 Turbo RPM)

Before width the HE351VE
0.5 bar at 2500 RPM (EGP 0,8)
1.0 bar at 3000 RPM (EGP 1,3)
1.5 bar at 3500 RPM (EGP 1,8)
1.8 bar at 3700 RPM (EGP 2,1)
1.8 bar at 5000 RPM (EGP 2,1) (95,000 Turbo RPM)


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1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
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That has a T3 flange right?
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(04-19-2011, 03:04 PM)aaa Wrote: That has a T3 flange right?

No it is another Size, dont know what the name is ?



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This thread is turning out good!

1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
So I bought a rebuilt t3 with ARV from a 1986 om603! The guy that did the rebuild said it had a .42 compressor wheel and a .48 exhaust wheel is that correct?
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
Hey cap? That first post answers my garret question.(Air research/garret T3) The sd's used the garret T3 and the 300d's used a kkk26.
Are parts interchangeable between the t3 and kkk? I was planning on going with captain's recipe. The 60 trim. I have a kkk26.
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Both cars have a Garrett .... '81 300SD and '82 300D. I haven't looked at the '85 closely, It is different because of the trap Ox but I think it is a Garrett as well.

1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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Mine is a garrett
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
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I was told that my stock '87 OM603 Garrett T30 was a .50 compressor, no documentation on that though.

Seems that most (if not all) '86/'87 OM603s came with the KKK K-25 turbo originally. Many were replaced with the alternate Garrett T-30 when the trap-ox campaign was done, some with a new KKK, some didn't get replacements.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZCI0BTWKx8
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I stand corrected. The captain is right. AiResearch and garret are the same. I was confused with aaa's post.
Anyone have pics of the kkk 26?
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I don't know why these all combined into one reply but here they are:

KKK K-24 from '87 300D with ARV

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Garrett AirResearch T-30 .50 trim w/ ARV from '87 300D (after trap-ox campaign)

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Garrett T-30 .55 trim w/o ARV from '91 350SDL / OM603.970

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MOD_EDIT:Be sure to click the "insert into post" button so it puts the pics where you want them instead of lumping them all together. The reason they all combined is the anti-double-post mod installed on the forum. Wink
'87 300TDT "Pandora"
Garrett T-30 .55 @ 18.5psi, .970 IP @ 13.5ATDC turned up, #22 head with oblique injection, 4-puck brakes, 215 Michelins on 16x8" Bellos, updates etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZCI0BTWKx8
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RE: New and improved Turbo Information Thread (Needs your contributions!)
To help guide what turbo is on what car.
http://www.turbo-product.com/Mercedes-Benz/
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A few weeks ago I had an really huge John Deere licenced VNT turbo in my workshop which had failed.

In fact, I didnt even know that kkk produces such big VNT devices with classic "nozzle ring/ vane assembly" VNT mechanism. It also has a full functional anti surge compressor housing.

This damn actuator is almost as big as a "normal" GT1749V , unfortunately the badge on the kkk turbo is not readable anymore, so I dont know yet which turbo this is in detail....

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I have a GT1749v and that turbo including actuator is almost as big as the motor that is attached to it! LOL!


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Holy massive turbo batman... It would work well with my new paint scheme though... Wink

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I'll get the facts on my setup soon.

I'm running a om617a with a 722.1 auto.

I have a HY35 off a 98 cummins 5.9 auto.

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Compressor inducer: 54mm
Compressor exducer: 78mm
Turbine wheel: 58/65mm

I get 10psi 2500 then it goes up to 20psi at 5000 rpm.
With a w115 intake and the intercoolet I see 1200° max egt and it actually goes down with speed. It runs around 1.05:1 drive pressure to boost at these levels.
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80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
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Cannot edit post after 14400 minutes? I like that!

Anyway I have taken better pictures of crap 45 trim, just below; And 60 trim (clean one).


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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

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05-04-2011, 01:44 AM
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Thanks for posting those pics Capt! My dad now has a spare Garrett off a 300D, we may have to have this done to it... Big Grin
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.

84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine! 
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No prob!

I am so anxious to see how it does on the healthy engine going into my Maroon D! Getting an Intercooled 115 manifold setup from Rudolf, and will be turning up the Torque capsule and high idle screw all at the same time. Should be exciting!

1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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Can this be made into a sticky please!

1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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Hey Bio, I saw your turbo @ Performance Techniques? Some guy Chris from Washington lol guess he told both of us not to ceramic coat the exhaust housings... it looks awesome.. your gonna be stoked when you see it.
Or was it 4rnnr33's turbo???

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AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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(05-31-2011, 04:27 PM)Captain America Wrote: Hey Bio, I saw your turbo @ Performance Techniques? Some guy Chris from Washington lol guess he told both of us not to ceramic coat the exhaust housings... it looks awesome.. your gonna be stoked when you see it.
Or was it 4rnnr33's turbo???

Are you sure it wasnt Chad? Mines down there haha. Im getting anxious to get it back cant wait to see the difference.

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Yeah probly Chad lol. I have CRS. I went to get some gaskets and stuff and he said "oh I have another one of those here" Yeah man it looked done... Guess we both asked about ceramic coating the turbine housing haha. He told me no too. Guess there's just a tone of work to do it and it wouldn't be worth the effort. She looked tits though dude. You'll be way happy with it. Looked like the turbine housing was painted black? I just saw it for a second

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AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....

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(06-01-2011, 12:43 AM)Captain America Wrote: Yeah probly Chad lol. I have CRS. I went to get some gaskets and stuff and he said "oh I have another one of those here" Yeah man it looked done... Guess we both asked about ceramic coating the turbine housing haha. He told me no too. Guess there's just a tone of work to do it and it wouldn't be worth the effort. She looked tits though dude. You'll be way happy with it. Looked like the turbine housing was painted black? I just saw it for a second

Ya thats too bad about the ceramic coating but oh well and it wasnt black when I sent it in? Maybe they sprayed it that would be cool, Ive been hoping to here from them but I still havent gotten a call but oh well hopefully soon.
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(05-31-2011, 06:19 PM)4rnnr33 Wrote:
(05-31-2011, 04:27 PM)Captain America Wrote: Hey Bio, I saw your turbo @ Performance Techniques? Some guy Chris from Washington lol guess he told both of us not to ceramic coat the exhaust housings... it looks awesome.. your gonna be stoked when you see it.
Or was it 4rnnr33's turbo???

Are you sure it wasnt Chad? Mines down there haha. Im getting anxious to get it back cant wait to see the difference.


Haha! I've got one that needs to go to them though.... Smile
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84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine! 
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Call em up!

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Got my turbo back from PT man they did an awesome job it looks like it came from the factory
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The 60 trim compressor wheel made quite a difference it feels much better in the higher RPMs and still spools up very nicely!
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(06-07-2011, 10:22 PM)4rnnr33 Wrote: Got my turbo back from PT man they did an awesome job it looks like it came from the factory
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The 60 trim compressor wheel made quite a difference it feels much better in the higher RPMs and still spools up very nicely!

videos? Big Grin Angel
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Your looks better than mine did! LOL

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(06-07-2011, 10:59 PM)mike-81-240d Wrote: videos? Big Grin Angel

What kind of video do you mean?
(06-08-2011, 02:56 AM)Captain America Wrote: Your looks better than mine did! LOL

I was definately impressed it looks immaculate
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what rpm does the 60 trim spool? is it really sooner than the 45 trim?
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That really does look great!! My Dad and I are still working on a custom log manifold to mount a GTv turbo onto his engine, otherwise I'd be shipping of the spare turbo for this treatment in a hurry!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.

84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine! 
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(06-08-2011, 07:25 PM)fj four o Wrote: what rpm does the 60 trim spool? is it really sooner than the 45 trim?

Im not sure on this I dont have a tach hooked up yet. And I would say that it doesnt spool up quite as fast but it feels much better at higher RPMs but the difference in lag is minimal I'd say and well worth the extra top end performance.
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Added patent pdf for Honeywell VNT.
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Updated for HY30W, pics and to come.
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Just want to show what is possible width the Holset HE341VE on a OM606 width myna pump. i have just adjusted the alda to give more fuel, as it has got way to little fuel at low load. video is made width no smoke but on the limit to smoke.
I now almost get 1 bar boost at 2000 RPM
and 2 bar at 2550 RPM, this test is made in 5 gear width converter locked to hold the RPM down to measure this.
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The link doesn't work.
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(02-11-2012, 01:00 PM)aaa Wrote: The link doesn't work.
Now it does, sorry
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So it looks like a 60 trim comp wheel is the way to go with a stock garrett T3? I am not liking the idea of it taking longer to spool though since it already takes long enough, so is there anything that can be done about that? Also is it possible for one to just rebuild the turbo themselves, or are all kinds of fancy machines and equipment needed?
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