Electronic variable vane control
Electronic variable vane control
04-30-2009, 10:48 PM
#60
(04-29-2009, 10:41 PM)oel_brenner well I took apart the holset controller, and the motor is definitely a stepper
looks like a six wire unipolar unit.
now to figure out what micro-controller to use
get some sensors, and get busy..
edit:
well it 'feels' like a stepper..
but according to this info I dug up:
The HE341VE does NOT use the same actuator system as the HE351VE. It is very different. The 341 uses a linear actuator rod and a position sensor for ECM control of the actuator. The 341 has an EXTERNAL actuator position sensor. The 351 doesn't have this at all. I don't think any of the 341 actuator information applies to the 351.
The HE351VE actuator control does not use a stepper motor at all. It's a 3-phase brushless DC motor. There is an ST microprocessor on the board that runs a Freescale motor control chip. The chip controls the 6 MOSFETs you see on the top of the board. You can't see these devices in your partial disassembly because they're underneath the board and you have to carefully desolder the motor pins and external wires in order to take the board off. This isn't easy. Another interesting note, the board is multilayer; it looks like there are at least 5 layers. Not fun to trace.
There are 3 hall effect sensors in a cage around the brushless motor. I haven't figured out what they're for yet but probably for determining relative motor movement. To figure out what the actuator position is.
The motor is geared very high against the actuator crosshaft. One of the gears in the gear set has a magnet on it. I think this may do some position encoding but I'm not sure yet; I don't see any detector that the magnet goes near. It may have been installed in the system but not implemented on board. Perhaps the prototypes did not work correctly.
A serial bus EEPROM is on board (also hidden on the backside IIRC) and may contain some usable program data.
and possibly verified here:
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/cv/power...rt-remote/
cars
1991 W126 350SDL turbodiesel
1987 W124 E300D turbodiesel
1987 W126 300SDL turbodiesel
1984 W107 SL300D turbodiesel
1974 W115 /8 300D diesel
trucks
2001 Dodge RAM 3500 4x4 Cummins turbodiesel
boats
1974 Uniflite "Salty Dog" powered by
2x OM617.951 Mercedes Benz 5Cyl turbodiesels
oel_brenner
04-30-2009, 10:48 PM #60(04-29-2009, 10:41 PM)oel_brenner well I took apart the holset controller, and the motor is definitely a stepper
looks like a six wire unipolar unit.
now to figure out what micro-controller to use
get some sensors, and get busy..
edit:
well it 'feels' like a stepper..
but according to this info I dug up:
The HE341VE does NOT use the same actuator system as the HE351VE. It is very different. The 341 uses a linear actuator rod and a position sensor for ECM control of the actuator. The 341 has an EXTERNAL actuator position sensor. The 351 doesn't have this at all. I don't think any of the 341 actuator information applies to the 351.
The HE351VE actuator control does not use a stepper motor at all. It's a 3-phase brushless DC motor. There is an ST microprocessor on the board that runs a Freescale motor control chip. The chip controls the 6 MOSFETs you see on the top of the board. You can't see these devices in your partial disassembly because they're underneath the board and you have to carefully desolder the motor pins and external wires in order to take the board off. This isn't easy. Another interesting note, the board is multilayer; it looks like there are at least 5 layers. Not fun to trace.
There are 3 hall effect sensors in a cage around the brushless motor. I haven't figured out what they're for yet but probably for determining relative motor movement. To figure out what the actuator position is.
The motor is geared very high against the actuator crosshaft. One of the gears in the gear set has a magnet on it. I think this may do some position encoding but I'm not sure yet; I don't see any detector that the magnet goes near. It may have been installed in the system but not implemented on board. Perhaps the prototypes did not work correctly.
A serial bus EEPROM is on board (also hidden on the backside IIRC) and may contain some usable program data.
and possibly verified here:
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/cv/power...rt-remote/
cars
1991 W126 350SDL turbodiesel
1987 W124 E300D turbodiesel
1987 W126 300SDL turbodiesel
1984 W107 SL300D turbodiesel
1974 W115 /8 300D diesel
trucks
2001 Dodge RAM 3500 4x4 Cummins turbodiesel
boats
1974 Uniflite "Salty Dog" powered by
2x OM617.951 Mercedes Benz 5Cyl turbodiesels
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