W210 OM606 Fueling??? Experts needed!
W210 OM606 Fueling??? Experts needed!
09-15-2010, 11:54 PM
#1
So my plan is to make this thing faster in some way shape or form.
So what are my options here??? I got a lot of questions!!!
Question 1: What is the maximum power that this stock OM606 pump will provide? I have seen the USA Speed Tuning products that will bump the power to roughly 215hp but how much more is available?
Question 2: Are there other companies offering tuning for this car/powertrain? Better options than Speed Tuning?
Question 3: Can I have larger elements installed and still retain my ecm controlled throttle?
Question 4: How soon before the trans scatters all over the road? I guess I would really like to know if these transmissions are strong or not really. I got 300,000+ miles and the fluid looks damn good for being an original trans...but will I destroy the trans with a chip?
I'm really looking to start with a chip, but would also like to know how far I can push the power and still retain driveability and reliability. Thanks for your input and expertise in advance!
If it dont smoke black, send it back! Sorry EPA
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-15-2010, 11:54 PM #1Ok...so a lot of you have probably seen my ad for my car I'm trying to sell. Well since nobody seems interested I might as well have some more fun with the car!
So my plan is to make this thing faster in some way shape or form.
So what are my options here??? I got a lot of questions!!!
Question 1: What is the maximum power that this stock OM606 pump will provide? I have seen the USA Speed Tuning products that will bump the power to roughly 215hp but how much more is available?
Question 2: Are there other companies offering tuning for this car/powertrain? Better options than Speed Tuning?
Question 3: Can I have larger elements installed and still retain my ecm controlled throttle?
Question 4: How soon before the trans scatters all over the road? I guess I would really like to know if these transmissions are strong or not really. I got 300,000+ miles and the fluid looks damn good for being an original trans...but will I destroy the trans with a chip?
I'm really looking to start with a chip, but would also like to know how far I can push the power and still retain driveability and reliability. Thanks for your input and expertise in advance!
If it dont smoke black, send it back! Sorry EPA
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-16-2010, 01:35 PM
#3
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-16-2010, 01:35 PM #3Thank you for the quick reply! 250hp was a little more than I expected! Corrtect me if I'm wrong, but I have heard these engines can handle 400hp in stock form. Maybe? Is there a common turbo that people swap out on these?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-16-2010, 03:55 PM
#4
ForcedInduction
09-16-2010, 03:55 PM
#4
250hp is what the pump can flow, but it can't flow that much safely due to the long injection duration. Thats why the tuners only bump it to 215hp.
09-16-2010, 04:54 PM
#5
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-16-2010, 04:54 PM #5So at the 250hp mark it stresses the pump too much?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-16-2010, 05:05 PM
#6
ForcedInduction
09-16-2010, 05:05 PM
#6
No. The injection duration is too long. The fuel is injected too late into combustion and can't burn completely, it results in unsafe exhaust temperatures.
09-16-2010, 05:15 PM
#7
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-16-2010, 05:15 PM #7Ah! I read ya! Just more of a reason for more air!
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-16-2010, 05:23 PM
#9
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-16-2010, 05:23 PM #9I'll probably come up with something
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-16-2010, 05:50 PM
#10
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
09-16-2010, 05:50 PM #10What ya need is an EGT gauge! And eventual a built pump!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
09-16-2010, 06:16 PM
#11
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-16-2010, 06:16 PM #11For sure! My plan at the moment is an A pillar guage pod with EGT's and boost.
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-18-2010, 02:13 PM
#12
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-18-2010, 02:13 PM #12Can you advance IP timing a little to battle the long injection duration?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-18-2010, 02:18 PM
#14
Waaaaaaa!Why can you not? because it cannot physically advance far enough or because the injection would just be too soon?
This post was last modified: 09-18-2010, 02:19 PM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-18-2010, 02:18 PM #14 Waaaaaaa!
Why can you not? because it cannot physically advance far enough or because the injection would just be too soon?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-18-2010, 04:59 PM
#15
ForcedInduction
09-18-2010, 04:59 PM
#15
Injection would be far too advanced. You'd end up partially compressing expanding gasses.
09-18-2010, 05:49 PM
#16
(09-18-2010, 04:59 PM)ForcedInduction Injection would be far too advanced. You'd end up partially compressing expanding gasses.
crap, That's what I was afraid of...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-18-2010, 05:49 PM #16(09-18-2010, 04:59 PM)ForcedInduction Injection would be far too advanced. You'd end up partially compressing expanding gasses.
crap, That's what I was afraid of...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-18-2010, 06:07 PM
#17
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-18-2010, 06:07 PM #17I'm thinkin I'm going to go with the max fuel tune and use water injection controlled by a boost switch. It should drop the egt's and make more power.
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-19-2010, 01:45 AM
#18
(09-18-2010, 06:07 PM)gen3performance I'm thinkin I'm going to go with the max fuel tune and use water injection controlled by a boost switch. It should drop the egt's and make more power.
It won't help! If injection duration is too long, the last "drops" of fuel just produce heat and smoke instead of power. So you'll end up making heat and using water injection to cure it. You'll get better results using shorter injection duration and you don't have to use water injection.
I assume this tuning will be done in a dyno, so it should be easy to find the point where increasing injection duration won't show up in torque graphs but in smoking.
(09-18-2010, 06:07 PM)gen3performance I'm thinkin I'm going to go with the max fuel tune and use water injection controlled by a boost switch. It should drop the egt's and make more power.
It won't help! If injection duration is too long, the last "drops" of fuel just produce heat and smoke instead of power. So you'll end up making heat and using water injection to cure it. You'll get better results using shorter injection duration and you don't have to use water injection.
I assume this tuning will be done in a dyno, so it should be easy to find the point where increasing injection duration won't show up in torque graphs but in smoking.
09-19-2010, 09:30 AM
#19
Also I cant tune the car on a dyno since I don't know anyone in the area with the capabilities of modifying the ecu.
Basically I am looking at from the position that I would rather have 250hp than 215hp and if I have to inject water thats ok with me since water will cool the egt's and generally make some power. If it smokes, I'm ok with it since I like smoke and I can make people behind me mad
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-19-2010, 09:30 AM #19I understand that the injection duration will be too long, but I really dont want to install larger elements in the pump unless I have to have the pump rebuilt.
Also I cant tune the car on a dyno since I don't know anyone in the area with the capabilities of modifying the ecu.
Basically I am looking at from the position that I would rather have 250hp than 215hp and if I have to inject water thats ok with me since water will cool the egt's and generally make some power. If it smokes, I'm ok with it since I like smoke and I can make people behind me mad
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-19-2010, 10:40 AM
#20
As the stock turbo is small, that will also heavily increase backpressure and EGT when trying to get the max out of stock pump. Are you ok with a cracked cylinder head?
A couple of examples, so you would get the point:
With bigger turbo and reasonable injection duration = 240hp and no smoke, no excessive heat load.
With bigger/stock turbo and very long injection duration = 239hp, LOTS of heat and LOTS of smoke. Basically this is the same even with water injection, compared to the other option.
This post was last modified: 09-19-2010, 10:41 AM by muuris.
The point is: when you go beyond a certain point, you will not get any more power. Only smoke and heat. Water injection won't give any more power on this case.
As the stock turbo is small, that will also heavily increase backpressure and EGT when trying to get the max out of stock pump. Are you ok with a cracked cylinder head?
A couple of examples, so you would get the point:
With bigger turbo and reasonable injection duration = 240hp and no smoke, no excessive heat load.
With bigger/stock turbo and very long injection duration = 239hp, LOTS of heat and LOTS of smoke. Basically this is the same even with water injection, compared to the other option.
09-19-2010, 02:45 PM
#21
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-19-2010, 02:45 PM #21What is considered a dangerous egp on the 606?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-20-2010, 02:13 PM
#22
(09-19-2010, 02:45 PM)gen3performance What is considered a dangerous egp on the 606?
Depends on setup. Under 30psi is safe for sure, but can't tell a rule of thumb other than it should be at the same vicinity as boost. For example, with 20psi boost and 45psi EGP you'll be in trouble, whereas 20psi and 25-30psi is ok.
(09-19-2010, 02:45 PM)gen3performance What is considered a dangerous egp on the 606?
Depends on setup. Under 30psi is safe for sure, but can't tell a rule of thumb other than it should be at the same vicinity as boost. For example, with 20psi boost and 45psi EGP you'll be in trouble, whereas 20psi and 25-30psi is ok.
09-21-2010, 02:37 PM
#23
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
09-23-2010, 10:06 AM
#24
What if I went with the max fuel tune in the ecu and then limited the accelerator pedal with an adjustable mechanism between the pedal and floor board.
This way I will have the maximum capability of the pump and I could then adjust the amount of fuel/egt/egp on the dyno. Good idea? Bad idea? Indifferent? Possible shifting issues?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-23-2010, 10:06 AM #24I know this would be a band aid, but let me know what u guys think of this idea.
What if I went with the max fuel tune in the ecu and then limited the accelerator pedal with an adjustable mechanism between the pedal and floor board.
This way I will have the maximum capability of the pump and I could then adjust the amount of fuel/egt/egp on the dyno. Good idea? Bad idea? Indifferent? Possible shifting issues?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
09-23-2010, 06:32 PM
#25
(09-23-2010, 10:06 AM)gen3performance What if I went with the max fuel tune in the ecu and then limited the accelerator pedal with an adjustable mechanism between the pedal and floor board.
Such a device is already installed in every car.
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ForcedInduction
09-23-2010, 06:32 PM
#25
(09-23-2010, 10:06 AM)gen3performance What if I went with the max fuel tune in the ecu and then limited the accelerator pedal with an adjustable mechanism between the pedal and floor board.
Such a device is already installed in every car.
09-23-2010, 06:44 PM
#26
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
09-23-2010, 06:44 PM #26Not cars driven by peg legged pirates...
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
10-02-2010, 07:06 PM
#29
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
10-02-2010, 07:06 PM #29I went with the 215hp tune and am happy with the performance...the tune really woke this thing up!
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
10-04-2010, 06:48 PM
#30
(09-26-2010, 01:08 PM)muuris Old Ford Transit has 7mm elements that fit in Merc M-pump.
Is it a drop-in, or does stuff need to be machined?
Excuse the Newb, but the m pump is the 617 type, right?
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
(09-26-2010, 01:08 PM)muuris Old Ford Transit has 7mm elements that fit in Merc M-pump.
Is it a drop-in, or does stuff need to be machined?
Excuse the Newb, but the m pump is the 617 type, right?
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
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10-04-2010, 07:08 PM
#31
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
Some OM617's had the M type, others the MW. The M is found on the 60x series and the electronic version on the OM606.912 and 606.962.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
10-06-2010, 12:23 PM
#35
(10-05-2010, 12:00 PM)Olivier jeemu, do you mean its best if the boost is highter then the egt or highter then 20 psi?
Cheers.
Come on, use the common sense! Of course it's safe when boost is higher than egp.
The other option would mean 1psi boost and 21psi egp would be good ratio. Which is not.
10-06-2010, 02:53 PM
#36
first I have no knowledge on this as its new for me, this is why I am asking questions. Second it doesn't feel like common sense to me that the boost could be highter then the EGP as the EGP come after the explosion/ heat etc... then it seems EGP should be highter at first look? Again, why I wondered.
Thank you for the knowledge tho.
Olivier
Hi Muuris,
first I have no knowledge on this as its new for me, this is why I am asking questions. Second it doesn't feel like common sense to me that the boost could be highter then the EGP as the EGP come after the explosion/ heat etc... then it seems EGP should be highter at first look? Again, why I wondered.
Thank you for the knowledge tho.
Olivier
12-26-2015, 04:10 AM
#39
atypicalguy
12-26-2015, 04:10 AM #39Does anyone know what the stock pump fueling level is on the om606.962? In other words, how much fuel per injector per 1000 injection events, maximum? Thanks.
12-26-2015, 01:58 PM
#41
atypicalguy
12-26-2015, 01:58 PM #41Thank you Petar. Just trying to size up some compounds but the pump specifications do not seem seem to be widely avaipable.
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