STD Tuning Engine engine gelenderwagen ws om 606

engine gelenderwagen ws om 606

engine gelenderwagen ws om 606

 
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nofun racing
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09-11-2010, 06:03 PM #1
hi. wonder if om606 engine is the same basis as 3.5 gelenderwagen engine? what is the difference there?engine code 3.5? thanks
This post was last modified: 09-11-2010, 06:06 PM by nofun racing.
nofun racing
09-11-2010, 06:03 PM #1

hi. wonder if om606 engine is the same basis as 3.5 gelenderwagen engine? what is the difference there?engine code 3.5? thanks

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09-11-2010, 06:06 PM #2
They are completely different engines.
ForcedInduction
09-11-2010, 06:06 PM #2

They are completely different engines.

nofun racing
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09-11-2010, 06:16 PM #3
(09-11-2010, 06:06 PM)ForcedInduction They are completely different engines.

okey, engine code for the 3.5 engine?
If I have 10,000 dollars, who motor is best to assume that? Want plenty of power. motor is converted to CDI, and Nira edc / cr - Motor control systems for common rail diesel
This post was last modified: 09-11-2010, 06:26 PM by nofun racing.
nofun racing
09-11-2010, 06:16 PM #3

(09-11-2010, 06:06 PM)ForcedInduction They are completely different engines.

okey, engine code for the 3.5 engine?
If I have 10,000 dollars, who motor is best to assume that? Want plenty of power. motor is converted to CDI, and Nira edc / cr - Motor control systems for common rail diesel

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09-11-2010, 06:26 PM #4
OM603.97x. No, bad to tune, the rods can't hold up to more power without bending and the cylinder walls are weak (thin from the larger cylinder bore).
This post was last modified: 09-11-2010, 06:26 PM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
09-11-2010, 06:26 PM #4

OM603.97x. No, bad to tune, the rods can't hold up to more power without bending and the cylinder walls are weak (thin from the larger cylinder bore).

nofun racing
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09-11-2010, 06:40 PM #5
(09-11-2010, 06:26 PM)ForcedInduction OM603.97x. No, bad to tune, the rods can't hold up to more power without bending and the cylinder walls are weak (thin from the larger cylinder bore).
okeySmile
crankshaft from 603, will it fit in the 606 engine? it that case the longer stroke 603 Wed crankshaft than 606?
If I have 10,000 dollars, who motor is best to assume that? Want plenty of power. motor will be converted to CDI, and Nira edc / cr - Motor control systems for common rail diesel
This post was last modified: 09-11-2010, 06:41 PM by nofun racing.
nofun racing
09-11-2010, 06:40 PM #5

(09-11-2010, 06:26 PM)ForcedInduction OM603.97x. No, bad to tune, the rods can't hold up to more power without bending and the cylinder walls are weak (thin from the larger cylinder bore).
okeySmile
crankshaft from 603, will it fit in the 606 engine? it that case the longer stroke 603 Wed crankshaft than 606?
If I have 10,000 dollars, who motor is best to assume that? Want plenty of power. motor will be converted to CDI, and Nira edc / cr - Motor control systems for common rail diesel

Einar
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09-12-2010, 01:47 PM #6
The engineblock on 603 and 606 is almost the same, different pistons, and different head-gasket.

What about a 270 or 320 CDI if you want CR
Einar
09-12-2010, 01:47 PM #6

The engineblock on 603 and 606 is almost the same, different pistons, and different head-gasket.

What about a 270 or 320 CDI if you want CR

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09-12-2010, 07:19 PM #7
Buy a CDI if you want common rail injection.
ForcedInduction
09-12-2010, 07:19 PM #7

Buy a CDI if you want common rail injection.

Syncro_G
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09-13-2010, 01:01 AM #8
the CDI would be a challenge to install because of the complicated computer system.

if your G has a 603 in it, then a 606 will fit with little trouble. you can use the same engine mounts and many of the peripheral engine components from the 603. including the injection pump. that way, you don't have to introduce any new electronics.

Good luck

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Syncro_G
09-13-2010, 01:01 AM #8

the CDI would be a challenge to install because of the complicated computer system.

if your G has a 603 in it, then a 606 will fit with little trouble. you can use the same engine mounts and many of the peripheral engine components from the 603. including the injection pump. that way, you don't have to introduce any new electronics.

Good luck


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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

jeemu
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457
09-13-2010, 04:52 PM #9
If you want just big power, you dont need cdi or nira on it.
Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.
Idi engine can make rpm very high so it rpm range is pretty good even at big turbo.

And what is best, you dont have to send all that 10,000
This post was last modified: 09-13-2010, 04:53 PM by jeemu.

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jeemu
09-13-2010, 04:52 PM #9

If you want just big power, you dont need cdi or nira on it.
Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.
Idi engine can make rpm very high so it rpm range is pretty good even at big turbo.

And what is best, you dont have to send all that 10,000


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

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09-13-2010, 07:25 PM #10
(09-13-2010, 04:52 PM)jeemu Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.

Jeemu, someday you'll figure out that people don't like having to revv their engine to 5000rpm to make more power than a stock engine. Being in a G-wagen I seriously doubt he is making a drag racer or drifter, 4x4 owners want usable torque without having to revv the piss out of it.
This post was last modified: 09-13-2010, 07:26 PM by ForcedInduction.
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09-13-2010, 07:25 PM #10

(09-13-2010, 04:52 PM)jeemu Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.

Jeemu, someday you'll figure out that people don't like having to revv their engine to 5000rpm to make more power than a stock engine. Being in a G-wagen I seriously doubt he is making a drag racer or drifter, 4x4 owners want usable torque without having to revv the piss out of it.

meareweird
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09-16-2010, 11:55 AM #11
Hey look, jeemu is back! Some 4x4 do mud and need power at speed.
meareweird
09-16-2010, 11:55 AM #11

Hey look, jeemu is back! Some 4x4 do mud and need power at speed.

muuris
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09-16-2010, 12:50 PM #12
Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm (1000rpm earlier than stock). He also wrote that IF one wants just big power..

Mine has a big turbo and more power than stock at 2800rpm (vs 4400). More tq than stock starting from 2400rpm.


Others want much more power than stock, even if it means sacrificing some grunt under 2500rpm.

nofun racing: $10 000 is not enough for OM606 + CR. Mech pump instead of CR and spend the money on charging.
This post was last modified: 09-16-2010, 01:05 PM by muuris.
muuris
09-16-2010, 12:50 PM #12

Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm (1000rpm earlier than stock). He also wrote that IF one wants just big power..

Mine has a big turbo and more power than stock at 2800rpm (vs 4400). More tq than stock starting from 2400rpm.


Others want much more power than stock, even if it means sacrificing some grunt under 2500rpm.

nofun racing: $10 000 is not enough for OM606 + CR. Mech pump instead of CR and spend the money on charging.

jeemu
"some people do, some people talk."

457
09-16-2010, 01:15 PM #13
(09-13-2010, 07:25 PM)ForcedInduction
(09-13-2010, 04:52 PM)jeemu Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.

Jeemu, someday you'll figure out that people don't like having to revv their engine to 5000rpm to make more power than a stock engine. Being in a G-wagen I seriously doubt he is making a drag racer or drifter, 4x4 owners want usable torque without having to revv the piss out of it.
I know that at people has differend needs.
Wrote that big turbo because topik starter wanted plenty power.

I sell also "small" turbos, depends how much customer want power on his engine.


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
jeemu
09-16-2010, 01:15 PM #13

(09-13-2010, 07:25 PM)ForcedInduction
(09-13-2010, 04:52 PM)jeemu Just om606 and good ip = Mynä-Diesel, big turbo, etc.

Jeemu, someday you'll figure out that people don't like having to revv their engine to 5000rpm to make more power than a stock engine. Being in a G-wagen I seriously doubt he is making a drag racer or drifter, 4x4 owners want usable torque without having to revv the piss out of it.
I know that at people has differend needs.
Wrote that big turbo because topik starter wanted plenty power.

I sell also "small" turbos, depends how much customer want power on his engine.


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

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09-16-2010, 03:43 PM #14
(09-16-2010, 12:50 PM)muuris Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm
Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.
ForcedInduction
09-16-2010, 03:43 PM #14

(09-16-2010, 12:50 PM)muuris Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm
Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.

jeemu
"some people do, some people talk."

457
09-16-2010, 04:30 PM #15
(09-16-2010, 03:43 PM)ForcedInduction
(09-16-2010, 12:50 PM)muuris Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm
Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.
Can you show a om605 N/A dyno graph?


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
jeemu
09-16-2010, 04:30 PM #15

(09-16-2010, 03:43 PM)ForcedInduction
(09-16-2010, 12:50 PM)muuris Forced, Jeemu's engine has more power than stock at under 3400rpm
Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.
Can you show a om605 N/A dyno graph?


OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis

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09-16-2010, 05:06 PM #16
(09-16-2010, 04:30 PM)jeemu Can you show a om605 N/A dyno graph?

We have already discussed this. There is no need to beat the hoarse again. Facts are facts.
This post was last modified: 09-16-2010, 05:06 PM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
09-16-2010, 05:06 PM #16

(09-16-2010, 04:30 PM)jeemu Can you show a om605 N/A dyno graph?

We have already discussed this. There is no need to beat the hoarse again. Facts are facts.

muuris
OM605

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09-17-2010, 03:35 AM #17
(09-16-2010, 03:43 PM)ForcedInduction Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.

It is based on a dyno graph. Maybe slight differences in other runs (few hundred rpm), but still. No need to argue about that.
This post was last modified: 09-17-2010, 03:35 AM by muuris.
muuris
09-17-2010, 03:35 AM #17

(09-16-2010, 03:43 PM)ForcedInduction Based on his dyno graph, thats not true.

It is based on a dyno graph. Maybe slight differences in other runs (few hundred rpm), but still. No need to argue about that.

Captain America
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09-18-2010, 02:16 PM #18
Oh Quit arguing!
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Captain America
09-18-2010, 02:16 PM #18

Oh Quit arguing!



1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag

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