5 speed swap into 1987 190D Turbo
5 speed swap into 1987 190D Turbo
04-13-2010, 04:42 PM
#1
I like the ratio of the stock top gear for freeway driving, so I thought I should try to retain the same top gear ratio. Am I correct that the stock automatic has a 1:1 4th gear? So if I could find the Getrag 5 speed from a 190E 16v with a 1:1 5th, the ratios should work without swapping out the rear axle?
Finding any manual W201 in the junkyard as a donor seems almost impossible. I've probably found 50 W201s in the junkyard over the years- and I've never seen a manual transmission or diesel model ever.
Anyone know what gear ratio, rear diff ratio, and transmission my car has stock?
Will using a gas flywheel cause any problems?
I'm trying to figure out what parts I need to swap a 5 speed into my 1987 190D Turbo, and I'm really confused trying to get info, even about what gear ratios I already have.
I like the ratio of the stock top gear for freeway driving, so I thought I should try to retain the same top gear ratio. Am I correct that the stock automatic has a 1:1 4th gear? So if I could find the Getrag 5 speed from a 190E 16v with a 1:1 5th, the ratios should work without swapping out the rear axle?
Finding any manual W201 in the junkyard as a donor seems almost impossible. I've probably found 50 W201s in the junkyard over the years- and I've never seen a manual transmission or diesel model ever.
Anyone know what gear ratio, rear diff ratio, and transmission my car has stock?
Will using a gas flywheel cause any problems?
04-13-2010, 11:08 PM
#3
I wouldn't suggest a get rag 1:1 isn't great for freeway driving a diesel.
You can use a gasser flywheel, but it's not recommended a OM601 flywheel might be a better choice also from www.car-part.com
This post was last modified: 04-13-2010, 11:09 PM by Kozuka.
For your transmission/linkage/flywheel www.car-part.com is your friend 50+ 2.3 transmissions on there for between $300-400.
I wouldn't suggest a get rag 1:1 isn't great for freeway driving a diesel.
You can use a gasser flywheel, but it's not recommended a OM601 flywheel might be a better choice also from www.car-part.com
04-14-2010, 12:18 AM
#4
out the door at pnp, is about $149. www.picknpull.com click on their locater of yards to find what ever is close to you. you can also check the inventory and when the car came in and what row. though doesn`t tell you color, interior or manual or auto trans etc... or what parts are available.
here is some manual trans info.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/manu...t-421.html
Charlie
This post was last modified: 04-14-2010, 12:22 AM by charmalu.
I guess you would really want one bad to pay 3 to $400. keep looking around, and you will come across on at PNP. I have seen 3 in the last year, and pulled one with the 1:1 5th. those are rare compared to the 5th with OD.
out the door at pnp, is about $149. www.picknpull.com click on their locater of yards to find what ever is close to you. you can also check the inventory and when the car came in and what row. though doesn`t tell you color, interior or manual or auto trans etc... or what parts are available.
here is some manual trans info.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/manu...t-421.html
Charlie
04-14-2010, 11:18 AM
#5
I've seen the following.
2.3 5-speeds $300-400 (500-600 for complete kit)
2.3-16 5-speeds $400-500 (600-800 for complete kit)
2.6 5-speeds $500-600 (700-1000 for complete kit)
300E 3.0 5-speeds about the same or more then 2.6
C230k 6-speed $800-900 ( At least 1500 for complete kit )
But it seems I'm not hunting around junkyards enough and who wants a stock clutch anyway. Stage 3+ clutch is 500+ for a single mass (2.3, 2.3-16, early 2.6/3.0) 600+ for a dual mass flywheel (late 2.6/3.0, maybe late 2.3 also, and the 2.3-16 (C230k) 6-speed)
This post was last modified: 04-14-2010, 11:19 AM by Kozuka.
Well I dunno about pick & pull but.. Private Party/Junkyards
I've seen the following.
2.3 5-speeds $300-400 (500-600 for complete kit)
2.3-16 5-speeds $400-500 (600-800 for complete kit)
2.6 5-speeds $500-600 (700-1000 for complete kit)
300E 3.0 5-speeds about the same or more then 2.6
C230k 6-speed $800-900 ( At least 1500 for complete kit )
But it seems I'm not hunting around junkyards enough and who wants a stock clutch anyway. Stage 3+ clutch is 500+ for a single mass (2.3, 2.3-16, early 2.6/3.0) 600+ for a dual mass flywheel (late 2.6/3.0, maybe late 2.3 also, and the 2.3-16 (C230k) 6-speed)
04-15-2010, 01:06 AM
#6
mbenzo300td
04-15-2010, 01:06 AM #6Do you know what model 6 speed 716.622? Any chance you might go the 6 speed route
04-15-2010, 09:54 AM
#7
All I need is the clutch and pressure plate. Kozuka, any recommendations for clutch vendors?
John Robbins
'05 E320 CDI - 118k - Faaaaaast!!
'87 300TD - 317k - Cracked head... but an OM606 is on the way!
'79 300SD - 295k - Bad engine = project car!
I just paid $1100 for a W124 300E conversion kit. It included the shifter, shifter linkages, flywheel, transmission, pedal cluster, and other misc parts. A little expensive, but it included the flywheel and all the W124 specific parts I needed for the conversion. My fab skills are poor enough that adapting the W201 stuff just isn't feasible.
All I need is the clutch and pressure plate. Kozuka, any recommendations for clutch vendors?
John Robbins
'05 E320 CDI - 118k - Faaaaaast!!
'87 300TD - 317k - Cracked head... but an OM606 is on the way!
'79 300SD - 295k - Bad engine = project car!
04-15-2010, 11:56 AM
#8
(04-13-2010, 11:08 PM)Kozuka I wouldn't suggest a get rag 1:1 isn't great for freeway driving a diesel.
You can use a gasser flywheel, but it's not recommended a OM601 flywheel might be a better choice also from www.car-part.com
Why isn't the gasoline flywheel recommended? Does it cause vibration or rough idle?
I thought that the 1:1 5th of the getrag would be perfect on the freeway, if I'm correct that my current auto has a 1:1 4th. My car (190D Turbo) seems to have a really high rear axle ratio- rpms are really low even at 85-90mph.
(04-13-2010, 11:08 PM)Kozuka I wouldn't suggest a get rag 1:1 isn't great for freeway driving a diesel.
You can use a gasser flywheel, but it's not recommended a OM601 flywheel might be a better choice also from www.car-part.com
Why isn't the gasoline flywheel recommended? Does it cause vibration or rough idle?
I thought that the 1:1 5th of the getrag would be perfect on the freeway, if I'm correct that my current auto has a 1:1 4th. My car (190D Turbo) seems to have a really high rear axle ratio- rpms are really low even at 85-90mph.
04-15-2010, 12:48 PM
#9
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
On gasser flywheel, there is some concern about the flywheel being too light and revs dropping too quick in between shifts. There are quite a few people that have got away with 2.3/2.6 flywheels also.
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:05 PM by Kozuka.
SPEC and Clutchnet make 190E/D 300E clutches. I personally like SPEC. Stage 3 or 3+ for street drivable, high power. Stage 4 for something alittle more. Unknown at this point how much torque any of them will hold but from experience with other cars would tell me 400-500tq's will be around the limit for these clutches. Always go for the 6-puck or carbon fiber clutch disks.
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
On gasser flywheel, there is some concern about the flywheel being too light and revs dropping too quick in between shifts. There are quite a few people that have got away with 2.3/2.6 flywheels also.
04-15-2010, 12:58 PM
#10
(04-15-2010, 12:48 PM)Kozuka SPEC and Clutchnet stock 190E/D 300E clutches. I personally like SPEC. Stage 3 or 3+ for street drivable, high power. Stage 4 for something alittle more. Unknown at this point how much torque any of them will hold but from experience with other cars would tell me 400-500tq's will be around the limit for these clutches.
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
But I was hoping to keep the stock rear axle ratio- the 190D Turbos have a really high ratio! I think 3500rpm in the 1:1 4th gear would be over 100mph! I think they used this high ratio because the 190D turbo has so much more power than the non-turbo 190, and can cruise at high speed/low rpms. Wouldn't the rpms be the same as stock with a 1:1 4th manual transmission?
How much power will a stock gas clutch handle? I'd prefer the clutch be the weakest link- and slip before destroying the transmission, cv joints, etc. I don't plan on making tons of power- maybe adding an intercooler, and raising boost/fuel to about 15psi.
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:05 PM by casioqv.
(04-15-2010, 12:48 PM)Kozuka SPEC and Clutchnet stock 190E/D 300E clutches. I personally like SPEC. Stage 3 or 3+ for street drivable, high power. Stage 4 for something alittle more. Unknown at this point how much torque any of them will hold but from experience with other cars would tell me 400-500tq's will be around the limit for these clutches.
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
But I was hoping to keep the stock rear axle ratio- the 190D Turbos have a really high ratio! I think 3500rpm in the 1:1 4th gear would be over 100mph! I think they used this high ratio because the 190D turbo has so much more power than the non-turbo 190, and can cruise at high speed/low rpms. Wouldn't the rpms be the same as stock with a 1:1 4th manual transmission?
How much power will a stock gas clutch handle? I'd prefer the clutch be the weakest link- and slip before destroying the transmission, cv joints, etc. I don't plan on making tons of power- maybe adding an intercooler, and raising boost/fuel to about 15psi.
04-15-2010, 01:16 PM
#11
(04-15-2010, 12:58 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 12:48 PM)Kozuka SPEC and Clutchnet stock 190E/D 300E clutches. I personally like SPEC. Stage 3 or 3+ for street drivable, high power. Stage 4 for something alittle more. Unknown at this point how much torque any of them will hold but from experience with other cars would tell me 400-500tq's will be around the limit for these clutches.
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
But I was hoping to keep the stock rear axle ratio- the 190D Turbos have a really high ratio! I think 3500rpm in the 1:1 4th gear would be over 100mph! I think they used this high ratio because the 190D turbo has so much more power than the non-turbo 190, and can cruise at high speed/low rpms. Wouldn't the rpms be the same as stock with a 1:1 4th manual transmission?
How much power will a stock gas clutch handle? I'd prefer the clutch be the weakest link- and slip before destroying the transmission, cv joints, etc. I don't plan on making tons of power- maybe adding an intercooler, and raising boost/fuel to about 15psi.
I would guess.
Stock 2.3 clutch 160ftlb
Stock 2.6 clutch 200ftlb
Stock 2.3-16 clutch 190ftlb
Common you don't fly down the freeway doing 100+ like me?
On breaking shit..
The 2.3-16v is a getrag, and will take 400ftlb without modification.
The 2.3 is also a getrag, but it assembled by Mercedes Unknown Power
The 2.6 is also a getrag, but it assembled by Mercedes 500+ ftlb without modifications same with the 300E
On 190E's the axles will be a limit, even with the thicker LSD axles wheel hop will make short work of the axles. I would say that axles will go before the transmission. Anyone who wants to make big power in a W201/W124 is going to have to either never do a standing burnout or have custom axles made.
There is also sachs stock clutches, they suck though.
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:27 PM by Kozuka.
(04-15-2010, 12:58 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 12:48 PM)Kozuka SPEC and Clutchnet stock 190E/D 300E clutches. I personally like SPEC. Stage 3 or 3+ for street drivable, high power. Stage 4 for something alittle more. Unknown at this point how much torque any of them will hold but from experience with other cars would tell me 400-500tq's will be around the limit for these clutches.
For the best mileage 1:1 5th won't be good. The automatic has only 4 gears so it needs a 1:1 4th as does a normal 5-speed, but the manuals have an extra gear for overdrive. Hence better for freeway driving. There's a document hanging around these forums that shows what all the differential ratios are, I don't especially like the idea of high revving (eg 3500+) down the freeway. If your setting up your car for autocross or rallyx I could see the use of the getrag close-ratio transmission. But these diesels will pull even in a overdrive gear due to the torque.
But I was hoping to keep the stock rear axle ratio- the 190D Turbos have a really high ratio! I think 3500rpm in the 1:1 4th gear would be over 100mph! I think they used this high ratio because the 190D turbo has so much more power than the non-turbo 190, and can cruise at high speed/low rpms. Wouldn't the rpms be the same as stock with a 1:1 4th manual transmission?
How much power will a stock gas clutch handle? I'd prefer the clutch be the weakest link- and slip before destroying the transmission, cv joints, etc. I don't plan on making tons of power- maybe adding an intercooler, and raising boost/fuel to about 15psi.
I would guess.
Stock 2.3 clutch 160ftlb
Stock 2.6 clutch 200ftlb
Stock 2.3-16 clutch 190ftlb
Common you don't fly down the freeway doing 100+ like me?
On breaking shit..
The 2.3-16v is a getrag, and will take 400ftlb without modification.
The 2.3 is also a getrag, but it assembled by Mercedes Unknown Power
The 2.6 is also a getrag, but it assembled by Mercedes 500+ ftlb without modifications same with the 300E
On 190E's the axles will be a limit, even with the thicker LSD axles wheel hop will make short work of the axles. I would say that axles will go before the transmission. Anyone who wants to make big power in a W201/W124 is going to have to either never do a standing burnout or have custom axles made.
There is also sachs stock clutches, they suck though.
04-15-2010, 01:33 PM
#12
(04-15-2010, 01:16 PM)Kozuka Common you don't fly down the freeway doing 100+ like me?
That's what I love about this car- I drove across the entire state of Nevada once averaging over 100mph. I just don't think the rpms are that high at that speed with the stock drivetrain- a 5th gear would be useless even for 100+mph driving without a lower rear axle ratio. I think it would lug the engine, and actually hurt fuel economy.
I wish I knew what the ratio was, but I read somewhere the 190D Turbo has the highest axle ratio of any W201.
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:34 PM by casioqv.
(04-15-2010, 01:16 PM)Kozuka Common you don't fly down the freeway doing 100+ like me?
That's what I love about this car- I drove across the entire state of Nevada once averaging over 100mph. I just don't think the rpms are that high at that speed with the stock drivetrain- a 5th gear would be useless even for 100+mph driving without a lower rear axle ratio. I think it would lug the engine, and actually hurt fuel economy.
I wish I knew what the ratio was, but I read somewhere the 190D Turbo has the highest axle ratio of any W201.
04-15-2010, 01:37 PM
#13
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:39 PM by Kozuka.
I'm not about to tell you, how you should setup up your car.
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
04-15-2010, 01:43 PM
#14
(04-15-2010, 01:37 PM)Kozuka I'm not about to tell you, how you should setup up your car.
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
I love driving a dogleg 1st transmission on windy mountain roads, but ultimately I guess it comes down to whatever I can find at the PnP.
What car do you have?
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...190D+Turbo
According to this post- I think I have a 2.65:1 rear axle. Maybe even with the 1:1 4th, 1st gear would still be too high for a good launch without swapping in a lower axle ratio?
(04-15-2010, 01:37 PM)Kozuka I'm not about to tell you, how you should setup up your car.
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
I love driving a dogleg 1st transmission on windy mountain roads, but ultimately I guess it comes down to whatever I can find at the PnP.
What car do you have?
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...190D+Turbo
According to this post- I think I have a 2.65:1 rear axle. Maybe even with the 1:1 4th, 1st gear would still be too high for a good launch without swapping in a lower axle ratio?
04-15-2010, 01:55 PM
#15
(04-15-2010, 01:43 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 01:37 PM)Kozuka I'm not about to tell you, how you should setup up your car.
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
I love driving a dogleg 1st transmission on windy mountain roads, but ultimately I guess it comes down to whatever I can find at the PnP.
What car do you have?
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...190D+Turbo
According to this post- I think I have a 2.65:1 rear axle. Maybe even with the 1:1 4th, 1st gear would still be too high for a good launch without swapping in a lower axle ratio?
This is my thread, project is stalled due to financial reasons and mechanic spot issues.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...=OM603+16V
I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
I currently ride a kawasaki ninja ex250 too supplement my speed habbit. Which sucks the funds like no other..
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 01:57 PM by Kozuka.
(04-15-2010, 01:43 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 01:37 PM)Kozuka I'm not about to tell you, how you should setup up your car.
I have both 2.3 and 2.3-16 transmissions. I plan on using them both bolted up to my OM603 in a 16V. I haven't driven a 16V trans so I can't tell you what it will be like bolted up to the OM602. I think your car and my car both have 3.06 rear ends. Except that mine has LSD. So if you try an 16v trans let me know what its like. I might just use mine. Go with what you want. You want the dog leg, go for it!
Also remember that the 16V has a 160mph speedo...
I love driving a dogleg 1st transmission on windy mountain roads, but ultimately I guess it comes down to whatever I can find at the PnP.
What car do you have?
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...190D+Turbo
According to this post- I think I have a 2.65:1 rear axle. Maybe even with the 1:1 4th, 1st gear would still be too high for a good launch without swapping in a lower axle ratio?
This is my thread, project is stalled due to financial reasons and mechanic spot issues.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...=OM603+16V
I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
I currently ride a kawasaki ninja ex250 too supplement my speed habbit. Which sucks the funds like no other..
04-15-2010, 02:08 PM
#16
(04-15-2010, 01:55 PM)Kozuka I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
Awesome project! I replaced my radiator recently- anything specific to a 190D Turbo is perpetually on intergalactic backorder, and costs 100x what it's worth. It took me a year to track down new coolant hoses for a good price!
Do you want to sell your 16v transmission?
I found an online gear calculator. With my stock 2.65:1 ratio, and 1:1 4th, I am going 94mph@3500rpm. With a 0.81 overdrive, I would be going 117.45mph@3500rpm. I don't think my motor has enough torque at 3500rpm for that!
What I'm worried about is the lower gears being too high with the 16v tranny. I think the european 5 speed 190D Turbo has a 3.82 1st gear, and a 3.46 rear axle (19mph@3500rpm). With the 16v getrag I'd have a 4.08 1st gear and a 2.65 rear axle (23.32mph@3500rpm).
It does seem like the 16v close ratio transmission with my super high rear diff would give gears much closer to what the stock european 5 speed 190DT has than if I used a regular overdrive 5 speed.
This post was last modified: 04-15-2010, 02:12 PM by casioqv.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
(04-15-2010, 01:55 PM)Kozuka I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
Awesome project! I replaced my radiator recently- anything specific to a 190D Turbo is perpetually on intergalactic backorder, and costs 100x what it's worth. It took me a year to track down new coolant hoses for a good price!
Do you want to sell your 16v transmission?
I found an online gear calculator. With my stock 2.65:1 ratio, and 1:1 4th, I am going 94mph@3500rpm. With a 0.81 overdrive, I would be going 117.45mph@3500rpm. I don't think my motor has enough torque at 3500rpm for that!
What I'm worried about is the lower gears being too high with the 16v tranny. I think the european 5 speed 190D Turbo has a 3.82 1st gear, and a 3.46 rear axle (19mph@3500rpm). With the 16v getrag I'd have a 4.08 1st gear and a 2.65 rear axle (23.32mph@3500rpm).
It does seem like the 16v close ratio transmission with my super high rear diff would give gears much closer to what the stock european 5 speed 190DT has than if I used a regular overdrive 5 speed.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
04-15-2010, 02:35 PM
#17
(04-15-2010, 02:08 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 01:55 PM)Kozuka I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
Awesome project! I replaced my radiator recently- anything specific to a 190D Turbo is perpetually on intergalactic backorder, and costs 100x what it's worth. It took me a year to track down new coolant hoses for a good price!
Do you want to sell your 16v transmission?
I found an online gear calculator. With my stock 2.65:1 ratio, and 1:1 4th, I am going 94mph@3500rpm. With a 0.81 overdrive, I would be going 117.45mph@3500rpm. I don't think my motor has enough torque at 3500rpm for that!
What I'm worried about is the lower gears being too high with the 16v tranny. I think the european 5 speed 190D Turbo has a 3.82 1st gear, and a 3.46 rear axle (19mph@3500rpm). With the 16v getrag I'd have a 4.08 1st gear and a 2.65 rear axle (23.32mph@3500rpm).
It does seem like the 16v close ratio transmission with my super high rear diff would give gears much closer to what the stock european 5 speed 190DT has than if I used a regular overdrive 5 speed.
It's case has some cracks (bellhousing) that I was going to attempt repair on and its the only one I have a complete shifter & linkage for and it's currently in the car. With no-where to tear the engine + transmission out (well apart from $15/hour + two tow's about 40miles) and I already had a friend (which at the time we were nearly killed by a falling M104 from about 5 feet, don't move engines at midnight in a hurry.) ask me to sell it to him if I considered it. So I would at least have to ask him if he still wanted it.
(04-15-2010, 02:08 PM)casioqv(04-15-2010, 01:55 PM)Kozuka I'm stalled basically on a 190D Turbo Radiator ($327) and Some Stupid rush job shit. ($30-400)
Awesome project! I replaced my radiator recently- anything specific to a 190D Turbo is perpetually on intergalactic backorder, and costs 100x what it's worth. It took me a year to track down new coolant hoses for a good price!
Do you want to sell your 16v transmission?
I found an online gear calculator. With my stock 2.65:1 ratio, and 1:1 4th, I am going 94mph@3500rpm. With a 0.81 overdrive, I would be going 117.45mph@3500rpm. I don't think my motor has enough torque at 3500rpm for that!
What I'm worried about is the lower gears being too high with the 16v tranny. I think the european 5 speed 190D Turbo has a 3.82 1st gear, and a 3.46 rear axle (19mph@3500rpm). With the 16v getrag I'd have a 4.08 1st gear and a 2.65 rear axle (23.32mph@3500rpm).
It does seem like the 16v close ratio transmission with my super high rear diff would give gears much closer to what the stock european 5 speed 190DT has than if I used a regular overdrive 5 speed.
It's case has some cracks (bellhousing) that I was going to attempt repair on and its the only one I have a complete shifter & linkage for and it's currently in the car. With no-where to tear the engine + transmission out (well apart from $15/hour + two tow's about 40miles) and I already had a friend (which at the time we were nearly killed by a falling M104 from about 5 feet, don't move engines at midnight in a hurry.) ask me to sell it to him if I considered it. So I would at least have to ask him if he still wanted it.
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