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timing IP, which tool is better?

timing IP, which tool is better?

 
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bmw4aaron
BMW Master Tech

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03-11-2010, 08:53 PM #1
The drip tool or the one that screws into the side of the IP pump and set at 15 ATDC, and does anyone have any info on using that method? Thanks.
bmw4aaron
03-11-2010, 08:53 PM #1

The drip tool or the one that screws into the side of the IP pump and set at 15 ATDC, and does anyone have any info on using that method? Thanks.

Syncro_G
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03-12-2010, 02:28 AM #2
I used both recently. I much preferred the RIV tool (one that screws into the side). It gives you unambiguous results and is really accurate but it's also very expensive (over $500) compared to a drip tube made from a surplus injector line ($0).

the RIV is easy to use - hook it up to the battery and plug the socket into the port on the IP (I think it has to be a late model 617 MW IP).
set the crank shaft to where you want it.
loosen the IP and injector lines
rotate the IP slowly and watch the LED's.
they'll blip when the IP passes through the correct rotation point.
tighten the IP and injector lines

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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
03-12-2010, 02:28 AM #2

I used both recently. I much preferred the RIV tool (one that screws into the side). It gives you unambiguous results and is really accurate but it's also very expensive (over $500) compared to a drip tube made from a surplus injector line ($0).

the RIV is easy to use - hook it up to the battery and plug the socket into the port on the IP (I think it has to be a late model 617 MW IP).
set the crank shaft to where you want it.
loosen the IP and injector lines
rotate the IP slowly and watch the LED's.
they'll blip when the IP passes through the correct rotation point.
tighten the IP and injector lines


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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

bmw4aaron
BMW Master Tech

8
03-12-2010, 06:54 AM #3
(03-12-2010, 02:28 AM)Syncro_G I used both recently. I much preferred the RIV tool (one that screws into the side). It gives you unambiguous results and is really accurate but it's also very expensive (over $500) compared to a drip tube made from a surplus injector line ($0).

the RIV is easy to use - hook it up to the battery and plug the socket into the port on the IP (I think it has to be a late model 617 MW IP).
set the crank shaft to where you want it.
loosen the IP and injector lines
rotate the IP slowly and watch the LED's.
they'll blip when the IP passes through the correct rotation point.
tighten the IP and injector lines

What does this tool do then?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...gory=43998
bmw4aaron
03-12-2010, 06:54 AM #3

(03-12-2010, 02:28 AM)Syncro_G I used both recently. I much preferred the RIV tool (one that screws into the side). It gives you unambiguous results and is really accurate but it's also very expensive (over $500) compared to a drip tube made from a surplus injector line ($0).

the RIV is easy to use - hook it up to the battery and plug the socket into the port on the IP (I think it has to be a late model 617 MW IP).
set the crank shaft to where you want it.
loosen the IP and injector lines
rotate the IP slowly and watch the LED's.
they'll blip when the IP passes through the correct rotation point.
tighten the IP and injector lines

What does this tool do then?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...gory=43998

ForcedInduction
Banned

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03-12-2010, 07:29 AM #4
Locks the pump cam in place so it doesn't rotate during installation.
ForcedInduction
03-12-2010, 07:29 AM #4

Locks the pump cam in place so it doesn't rotate during installation.

Syncro_G
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03-12-2010, 06:33 PM #5
(03-12-2010, 07:29 AM)ForcedInduction Locks the pump cam in place so it doesn't rotate during installation.

I've seen that before. I've been wondering if anyone has been using it as a timing tool. Seems like it could if...

1. set desired crank position
2. loosen IP and remove injector lines
3. wiggle the IP and set the lock pin
4. re-assemble

The RIV tool is sweet though.
This post was last modified: 03-12-2010, 06:34 PM by Syncro_G.

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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
03-12-2010, 06:33 PM #5

(03-12-2010, 07:29 AM)ForcedInduction Locks the pump cam in place so it doesn't rotate during installation.

I've seen that before. I've been wondering if anyone has been using it as a timing tool. Seems like it could if...

1. set desired crank position
2. loosen IP and remove injector lines
3. wiggle the IP and set the lock pin
4. re-assemble

The RIV tool is sweet though.


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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Kozuka
I'm_Badass

334
03-18-2010, 12:12 PM #6
Pic of RIV Tool For Referece

[Image: IP__RIV_tool.jpg]
Kozuka
03-18-2010, 12:12 PM #6

Pic of RIV Tool For Referece

[Image: IP__RIV_tool.jpg]

Syncro_G
0-60 in 29 sec

280
03-20-2010, 01:06 AM #7
(03-18-2010, 12:12 PM)Kozuka Pic of RIV Tool For Referece

[Image: IP__RIV_tool.jpg]

Nice picture and that looks like a nice price too but still a little too much for me.

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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Syncro_G
03-20-2010, 01:06 AM #7

(03-18-2010, 12:12 PM)Kozuka Pic of RIV Tool For Referece

[Image: IP__RIV_tool.jpg]

Nice picture and that looks like a nice price too but still a little too much for me.


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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed

Samilitant
Unregistered

2
08-15-2010, 09:00 PM #8
Since this is a "use once every 25 years" kind of tool, wouldn't someone offer a rental service? Something like $250 shipped and when you return it within 30 days you're refunded $210 or something. Just a thought.
Samilitant
08-15-2010, 09:00 PM #8

Since this is a "use once every 25 years" kind of tool, wouldn't someone offer a rental service? Something like $250 shipped and when you return it within 30 days you're refunded $210 or something. Just a thought.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
08-21-2010, 08:32 PM #9
Just open the RIV port and use a dental mirror to get the tang in the middle. Of course this only works with newer (RIV capable) MW pumps and IIRC all M pumps. According to Dave (iirc) this is quite doable.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
08-21-2010, 08:32 PM #9

Just open the RIV port and use a dental mirror to get the tang in the middle. Of course this only works with newer (RIV capable) MW pumps and IIRC all M pumps. According to Dave (iirc) this is quite doable.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

 
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