Found a true performance clutch
Found a true performance clutch
01-13-2010, 02:40 AM
#1
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAM-98610
or those with the need for a racing clutch:
http://www.dudiakracingproducts.com/inde...ceid=GPDRP
and those who are on a budget:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAM-88610/?rtype=10
Im thinkin ill go with option #1.
'78 300D, OM617.912: 4spd manual, TB03 at 10PSI, 26*BTDC, DV's turned, HVAC, emissions system removed, e-fan, short ram, 3" downpipe to straight exhaust, W126 Bendix brakes, MR2 Spyder seats. 2890lbs
So after doing some research, the clutch for the getrag 4 speed turns out to be a 8.5" 10 spline by 1 1/8" unit, which just so happens to be the same as a mustang with a 2.3l (which also strangely enough have quite a following). I did some digging and came up with this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAM-98610
or those with the need for a racing clutch:
http://www.dudiakracingproducts.com/inde...ceid=GPDRP
and those who are on a budget:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAM-88610/?rtype=10
Im thinkin ill go with option #1.
'78 300D, OM617.912: 4spd manual, TB03 at 10PSI, 26*BTDC, DV's turned, HVAC, emissions system removed, e-fan, short ram, 3" downpipe to straight exhaust, W126 Bendix brakes, MR2 Spyder seats. 2890lbs
01-13-2010, 03:00 AM
#2
You can always cut the pressure plate ring deeper than the clutch face is cut when the FW is resurfaced.
ForcedInduction
01-13-2010, 03:00 AM
#2
The Chevy S10 uses the same splines, don't know about the diameter.
You can always cut the pressure plate ring deeper than the clutch face is cut when the FW is resurfaced.
01-15-2010, 01:46 PM
#3
So the whole kit bolts up, or just the disc?
CID Vicious
01-15-2010, 01:46 PM #3That 2.3l isn't the NA turd but the Turbo Coupe/Mustang SVO motor. Unlike the 5.0l that motor can put out about 5-600hp on stock internals, so that might be a very stout clutch indeed.
So the whole kit bolts up, or just the disc?
01-15-2010, 06:18 PM
#4
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
FWIW I have been VERY happy with the Gwagen clutch. Not so happy about the weight of the FW. I would recommend trying out a different pressure plate on a 240D, I believe that will do the job.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
01-19-2010, 07:57 PM
#5
(01-15-2010, 06:18 PM)winmutt FWIW I have been VERY happy with the Gwagen clutch. Not so happy about the weight of the FW. I would recommend trying out a different pressure plate on a 240D, I believe that will do the job.
Did the Gwagen Flywheel get rid of the driveline vibrations in your 4speed conversion?
(01-15-2010, 06:18 PM)winmutt FWIW I have been VERY happy with the Gwagen clutch. Not so happy about the weight of the FW. I would recommend trying out a different pressure plate on a 240D, I believe that will do the job.
Did the Gwagen Flywheel get rid of the driveline vibrations in your 4speed conversion?
01-19-2010, 08:32 PM
#6
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-19-2010, 08:32 PM #6How much dose it weigh compared to stock? The Gwagon flywheel I mean
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
01-19-2010, 08:59 PM
#7
(01-19-2010, 07:57 PM)JdmillsNever had those, my conversion parts were from a 300d. Trans from a 200d.(01-15-2010, 06:18 PM)winmutt FWIW I have been VERY happy with the Gwagen clutch. Not so happy about the weight of the FW. I would recommend trying out a different pressure plate on a 240D, I believe that will do the job.
Did the Gwagen Flywheel get rid of the driveline vibrations in your 4speed conversion?
The weight is the same as the 300d. I wouldnt mine finding a half way point between the 240d and 300d. Low end torque went way up and it was smoother overall but top end accel was diminished. It is easy as pie to get on ramps now though
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1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(01-19-2010, 07:57 PM)JdmillsNever had those, my conversion parts were from a 300d. Trans from a 200d.(01-15-2010, 06:18 PM)winmutt FWIW I have been VERY happy with the Gwagen clutch. Not so happy about the weight of the FW. I would recommend trying out a different pressure plate on a 240D, I believe that will do the job.
Did the Gwagen Flywheel get rid of the driveline vibrations in your 4speed conversion?
The weight is the same as the 300d. I wouldnt mine finding a half way point between the 240d and 300d. Low end torque went way up and it was smoother overall but top end accel was diminished. It is easy as pie to get on ramps now though
.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
10-04-2010, 04:20 PM
#8
Im gonna need to change out my clutch real soon, and would like to install somthing better than stock.
Winmutt, the Gwagen clutch bolts right up and its an improvement over stock?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
Kamel did you ever end up using any of these clutches?
Im gonna need to change out my clutch real soon, and would like to install somthing better than stock.
Winmutt, the Gwagen clutch bolts right up and its an improvement over stock?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
ForcedInduction
10-05-2010, 06:39 AM
#9
I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.
10-05-2010, 10:21 AM
#10
(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.
Well, im not sure how long my 240D has had this clutch, but its definetly time for a new one soon. Its engaging later and later.
Is that 5 years of normal fwy/city driving, or is that 5 years of really beating on it?
I want to go with a "better" clutch because my car really takes alot of punishment from me.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.
Well, im not sure how long my 240D has had this clutch, but its definetly time for a new one soon. Its engaging later and later.
Is that 5 years of normal fwy/city driving, or is that 5 years of really beating on it?
I want to go with a "better" clutch because my car really takes alot of punishment from me.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
10-05-2010, 10:48 AM
#11
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
There is a list of pressure plates and clamping pressures in the FSM. You could stick with stock clutch and get a higher clamping pressure plate.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
10-05-2010, 11:51 AM
#12
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
I have what I think is a 300d flywheel. I'm pretty sure it takes the G-wagen clutch but it has a lighter ring than the G.
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
10-06-2010, 06:12 AM
#14
(10-05-2010, 10:48 AM)winmutt You could stick with stock clutch and get a higher clamping pressure plate.
Or you could have a machine shop shave a hair off the plate mount surface.
ForcedInduction
10-06-2010, 06:12 AM
#14
(10-05-2010, 10:48 AM)winmutt You could stick with stock clutch and get a higher clamping pressure plate.
Or you could have a machine shop shave a hair off the plate mount surface.
10-06-2010, 08:24 AM
#15
(10-05-2010, 11:51 AM)Syncro_G I have what I think is a 300d flywheel. I'm pretty sure it takes the G-wagen clutch but it has a lighter ring than the G.
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
The G flywheel should be lighter than the 300D...It is physically the same except for the maching done to accomodate the larger flywheel/PP combo.
The 300D takes a 215mm combo v. 230mm for the G.
Garage - there is a place nearby you that builds custom clutches, IIRC they are in Colton I will have to ask my brother for the name.
You can also try try Clutchnet - they will build what ever disc you want and modify your stock 240D plate (new) to whatever clamping pressure you want. They are the people that will do my clutch work when I am ready for it.
This post was last modified: 10-06-2010, 08:27 AM by Rudolf_Diesel.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
10-06-2010, 08:24 AM #15(10-05-2010, 11:51 AM)Syncro_G I have what I think is a 300d flywheel. I'm pretty sure it takes the G-wagen clutch but it has a lighter ring than the G.
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
The G flywheel should be lighter than the 300D...It is physically the same except for the maching done to accomodate the larger flywheel/PP combo.
The 300D takes a 215mm combo v. 230mm for the G.
Garage - there is a place nearby you that builds custom clutches, IIRC they are in Colton I will have to ask my brother for the name.
You can also try try Clutchnet - they will build what ever disc you want and modify your stock 240D plate (new) to whatever clamping pressure you want. They are the people that will do my clutch work when I am ready for it.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
10-06-2010, 11:42 AM
#16
(10-06-2010, 08:24 AM)Rudolf_Diesel(10-05-2010, 11:51 AM)Syncro_G I have what I think is a 300d flywheel. I'm pretty sure it takes the G-wagen clutch but it has a lighter ring than the G.
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
The G flywheel should be lighter than the 300D...It is physically the same except for the maching done to accomodate the larger flywheel/PP combo.
The 300D takes a 215mm combo v. 230mm for the G.
Garage - there is a place nearby you that builds custom clutches, IIRC they are in Colton I will have to ask my brother for the name.
You can also try try Clutchnet - they will build what ever disc you want and modify your stock 240D plate (new) to whatever clamping pressure you want. They are the people that will do my clutch work when I am ready for it.
Okay dude thanks!
If you find out the name let me know for sure, i would definetly be interested.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(10-06-2010, 08:24 AM)Rudolf_Diesel(10-05-2010, 11:51 AM)Syncro_G I have what I think is a 300d flywheel. I'm pretty sure it takes the G-wagen clutch but it has a lighter ring than the G.
I'd be happy to trade for the heavy G flywheel. I can take some measurements later.
The G flywheel should be lighter than the 300D...It is physically the same except for the maching done to accomodate the larger flywheel/PP combo.
The 300D takes a 215mm combo v. 230mm for the G.
Garage - there is a place nearby you that builds custom clutches, IIRC they are in Colton I will have to ask my brother for the name.
You can also try try Clutchnet - they will build what ever disc you want and modify your stock 240D plate (new) to whatever clamping pressure you want. They are the people that will do my clutch work when I am ready for it.
Okay dude thanks!
If you find out the name let me know for sure, i would definetly be interested.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
10-09-2010, 08:19 AM
#17
Clutch Masters
267 E. Valley Blvd.
Rialto, CA 92376
909.877.6800
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
10-09-2010, 08:19 AM #17I was out at Irwindale yesterday, watching the drifitng competition, and I found the place I was telling you about...
Clutch Masters
267 E. Valley Blvd.
Rialto, CA 92376
909.877.6800
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
11-16-2010, 07:46 AM
#18
(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.but not 650nm torque
Does anyone have this already installed couplings in a '92 300D?
who ice if it all fits together with the 5 speed? `my sachs clutch has 228mm these are all 9" and not 8.5 and the disc is not flat but curved ... the thrust bearing should naturally fit ..
If that was so easy.
hansebanger77
11-16-2010, 07:46 AM #18(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.but not 650nm torque
Does anyone have this already installed couplings in a '92 300D?
who ice if it all fits together with the 5 speed? `my sachs clutch has 228mm these are all 9" and not 8.5 and the disc is not flat but curved ... the thrust bearing should naturally fit ..
If that was so easy.
11-17-2010, 12:26 AM
#19
(11-16-2010, 07:46 AM)hansebanger77(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.but not 650nm torque
Yeah, I just put out 3x the torque it was designed to see.
ForcedInduction
11-17-2010, 12:26 AM
#19
(11-16-2010, 07:46 AM)hansebanger77(10-05-2010, 06:39 AM)ForcedInduction I'm still using the stock clutch after 5 years without a single problem.but not 650nm torque
Yeah, I just put out 3x the torque it was designed to see.
11-17-2010, 08:47 AM
#20
all 3 Clutches on the top, has every 10 splice my has 26 can not fit then.
hansebanger77
11-17-2010, 08:47 AM #20my new sachs apparently not.
all 3 Clutches on the top, has every 10 splice my has 26 can not fit then.
02-09-2013, 04:40 AM
#21
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
02-09-2013, 04:40 AM #21Did anyone try the clutches at the top yet? I have a 4 spd. Looking at option for upgrade. Mine probably needs replacement. I plan to beat the crap out of it. I will be putting out a lot more power than stock.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
02-09-2013, 08:41 AM
#22
Spec brand?
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
02-09-2013, 08:41 AM #22http://www.streetperformance.com/auto/19...785-399vc/
Spec brand?
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
02-09-2013, 09:56 AM
#23
OK now I'm just beating my head on the wall. Spec vs ram clutches. Conflicting reviews on both. I hope someone can contribute a time tested upgraded original replacement. I will have a 38lb flywheel. Not sure what HP I will be running but have a moderate IP from Dieselmeken that I'm throwing in. 6mm.
Graciously awaiting input.
This post was last modified: 02-09-2013, 10:38 AM by lgreeley83.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
02-09-2013, 09:56 AM #23Reading looks like spec sux.
OK now I'm just beating my head on the wall. Spec vs ram clutches. Conflicting reviews on both. I hope someone can contribute a time tested upgraded original replacement. I will have a 38lb flywheel. Not sure what HP I will be running but have a moderate IP from Dieselmeken that I'm throwing in. 6mm.
Graciously awaiting input.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
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