Compound om605 - mini project
Compound om605 - mini project
10-27-2015, 09:52 AM
#1
So I was in a little accident 6-weeks ago and have been falling back on everything really. Crashed a friends bike in the side of a car and got five fractures. Broke my right ankle pretty bad and got three fractures in my right hand.
To celebrate me coming back to full speed I hooked a manifold build for an awesome guy in England.
We're gonna build a compound setup for him and the pictures and information I will post in this thread
If you like the idea and later on the pictures and text, PLEASE drop a comment so the thread lives to see another day.
This will maybe be THE fastest om605 in the UK. Only the owner will know.
(we have maybe three weeks till we can start the build so be patient please)
For more awesome stuff check out my Facebook-link below
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![[Image: V-band_om606.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/V-band_om606.jpg)
![[Image: GTX3582R.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GTX3582R.jpg)
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Hi guys.
So I was in a little accident 6-weeks ago and have been falling back on everything really. Crashed a friends bike in the side of a car and got five fractures. Broke my right ankle pretty bad and got three fractures in my right hand.
To celebrate me coming back to full speed I hooked a manifold build for an awesome guy in England.
We're gonna build a compound setup for him and the pictures and information I will post in this thread
If you like the idea and later on the pictures and text, PLEASE drop a comment so the thread lives to see another day.
This will maybe be THE fastest om605 in the UK. Only the owner will know.
(we have maybe three weeks till we can start the build so be patient please)
For more awesome stuff check out my Facebook-link below
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
10-27-2015, 04:43 PM
#5
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93´ W124 300TDT -> OM606.962 / RS 203 Dieselmeken 7,5mm 210cc / KKK K14 / Stock Transmission / 2,65 ASD
89´ 190D 2.5 Turbo -> OM605.960 / Dieselmeken 7,5mm 180cc / Holset HX30 Super / 716. 654 6-Speed / 2,87 Rear Axle
Compound OM 605 ??? YES !!!!!!!
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93´ W124 300TDT -> OM606.962 / RS 203 Dieselmeken 7,5mm 210cc / KKK K14 / Stock Transmission / 2,65 ASD
89´ 190D 2.5 Turbo -> OM605.960 / Dieselmeken 7,5mm 180cc / Holset HX30 Super / 716. 654 6-Speed / 2,87 Rear Axle
10-28-2015, 03:39 AM
#6
I will start taking photos as soon as I have the time. One of the turbos have arrived so info about this is close by.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Thanks guys
I will start taking photos as soon as I have the time. One of the turbos have arrived so info about this is close by.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-02-2015, 09:18 AM
#8
It's a 3LD and a HX52 but the 3LD might be swapped for a HX30 but we'll see.
![[Image: om605-compound.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/om605-compound.jpg)
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Today I have a picture for you
It's a 3LD and a HX52 but the 3LD might be swapped for a HX30 but we'll see.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-02-2015, 10:55 AM
#9
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?
Beers.
This post was last modified: 11-02-2015, 10:56 AM by Hario'.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Fras you gona install some serious waste gating around the HX30? The hot side on those is only 6cm isn't it.
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?
Beers.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
11-03-2015, 02:43 AM
#11
(11-02-2015, 10:55 AM)Hario Fras you gona install some serious waste gating around the HX30? The hot side on those is only 6cm isn't it.
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?
Beers.
We'll see a little how the finished thing will look like. The HX52 is a given contester here but the small one is not yet decided. Sure it will be bleeded of alright. The hy35 might be a good choice even though I believe it's just a tad to big. The only hy35 the customer could find used and around was in poor condition though.
(11-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Turbo looking interesting
So how is the plan exactly how you want them to work?
Like a bat out of hell
haha no but seriously, just some good low down grunt a hellish top end more or less. We'll see 
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
(11-02-2015, 10:55 AM)Hario Fras you gona install some serious waste gating around the HX30? The hot side on those is only 6cm isn't it.
You think a Hy35 is too big for good spool on that 605?
Beers.
We'll see a little how the finished thing will look like. The HX52 is a given contester here but the small one is not yet decided. Sure it will be bleeded of alright. The hy35 might be a good choice even though I believe it's just a tad to big. The only hy35 the customer could find used and around was in poor condition though.
(11-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Turbo looking interesting
So how is the plan exactly how you want them to work?
Like a bat out of hell
haha no but seriously, just some good low down grunt a hellish top end more or less. We'll see
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-03-2015, 12:11 PM
#13
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
EDH_Performance
11-03-2015, 12:11 PM #13Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
11-04-2015, 04:47 AM
#14
I'll try to keep you posted
Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.
![[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_1.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Holset-HX52-compound-om605_1.jpg)
![[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_2.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Holset-HX52-compound-om605_2.jpg)
![[Image: Holset-HX52-compound-om605_3.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Holset-HX52-compound-om605_3.jpg)
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Love the input guys. We'll see what happens with this setup
I'll try to keep you posted
Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-04-2015, 10:09 AM
#16
(11-04-2015, 04:47 AM)F.R.A.S Love the input guys. We'll see what happens with this setup
I'll try to keep you posted
Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.
Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
(11-04-2015, 04:47 AM)F.R.A.S Love the input guys. We'll see what happens with this setup
I'll try to keep you posted
Did a little freshen up on the HX52 yesterday and now it looks like something I actually can use in this build.
Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
11-04-2015, 10:13 AM
#17
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
11-04-2015, 11:13 AM
#18
(11-04-2015, 10:09 AM)Hario Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Haha might be so but it's a piss working with rusted old crap
(11-04-2015, 10:09 AM)Hario Paint only adds horsepower to ricers man..
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-05-2015, 02:18 AM
#22
(11-04-2015, 03:23 PM)DANOM606 Is the owner a member on here? I want to build a high power 605 in England so want some advice!!!
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
I actually don't know. He messaged me through the webshop. But hey shoot me a message and we'll see what I can do for you.
(11-04-2015, 03:23 PM)DANOM606 Is the owner a member on here? I want to build a high power 605 in England so want some advice!!!
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-20-2015, 11:22 AM
#23
Nailed it
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/111828945517
Nailed it
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
11-24-2015, 08:38 AM
#25
raysorenson
11-24-2015, 08:38 AM #25IDK about that particular RS2 turbo but the one fitted to the 4.5l international engine found in the Ford LCF is K16/K27 and makes 200hp on that engine. It's probably the largest of the RS2 variants and would not make a fire-breathing STD.
11-24-2015, 12:57 PM
#28
I am trying to find a map for the k14 that came stock on an om606, but no luck so far.
atypicalguy
11-24-2015, 12:57 PM #28Where do you guys get get info on these bw turbos?
I am trying to find a map for the k14 that came stock on an om606, but no luck so far.
11-25-2015, 09:20 AM
#30
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Will be a Dieselmeken 8mm for this project. More info later... Started to mock up the turbos yesterday. Damn there is a lack of space with that big ass hx52
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
11-30-2015, 08:34 AM
#31
(11-25-2015, 09:20 AM)F.R.A.S Will be a Dieselmeken 8mm for this project. More info later... Started to mock up the turbos yesterday. Damn there is a lack of space with that big ass hx52
It's in a W202?
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
(11-25-2015, 09:20 AM)F.R.A.S Will be a Dieselmeken 8mm for this project. More info later... Started to mock up the turbos yesterday. Damn there is a lack of space with that big ass hx52
It's in a W202?
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
12-02-2015, 02:27 AM
#32
Right now we have millimeters to spare and it's just so super tight. But we'll manage, will post a couple of pictures in a day or two...(11-30-2015, 08:34 AM)Hario It's in a W202?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Yea it's in a w202 Right now we have millimeters to spare and it's just so super tight. But we'll manage, will post a couple of pictures in a day or two...
(11-30-2015, 08:34 AM)Hario It's in a W202?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-04-2016, 09:58 PM
#33
It seems the controls are not at all straightforward with a compressor bypass for the hp turbo also
I posted a document with the various r2s setups and their applications. Industrial motors v light passenger vs commercial truck all have different optimal twin turbo relationships.
Best advice seems to be use a HP turbo that works well as a single, with a slightly larger exhaust housing. The big turbo can have a wastegate. The small turbo exists in a high pressure room created by the big one.
atypicalguy
01-04-2016, 09:58 PM #33The r2s units are often compound sequential with the tiny hp turbo. User Turbo here seems to be familiar with them.
It seems the controls are not at all straightforward with a compressor bypass for the hp turbo also
I posted a document with the various r2s setups and their applications. Industrial motors v light passenger vs commercial truck all have different optimal twin turbo relationships.
Best advice seems to be use a HP turbo that works well as a single, with a slightly larger exhaust housing. The big turbo can have a wastegate. The small turbo exists in a high pressure room created by the big one.
01-19-2016, 04:20 AM
#34
![[Image: 20160119_093226.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20160119_093226.jpg)
On this and the next picture you can see the water cut support bracket we did for the hx52
![[Image: 20160119_093246.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20160119_093246.jpg)
![[Image: 20160119_093256.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20160119_093256.jpg)
![[Image: 20160119_093317.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20160119_093317.jpg)
When it's all welded up and the 4" stainless downpipe is in it's place it will be a pretty sweet setup.
This post was last modified: 01-19-2016, 04:27 AM by F.R.A.S.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
So guys, here is a sneak peak for you. Not done in a million years but you get the picture anyhow,
On this and the next picture you can see the water cut support bracket we did for the hx52
When it's all welded up and the 4" stainless downpipe is in it's place it will be a pretty sweet setup.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-20-2016, 04:48 AM
#38
(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.
(01-19-2016, 11:21 AM)atypicalguy What do you expect the price tag to be on this setup when done?
We'll see mate. It will be a beast however.
(01-19-2016, 01:17 PM)sorin_cel is this going to be a 600hp OM605, Fred ???
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Haha yea it's pretty sick
(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.
(01-19-2016, 11:21 AM)atypicalguy What do you expect the price tag to be on this setup when done?
We'll see mate. It will be a beast however.
(01-19-2016, 01:17 PM)sorin_cel is this going to be a 600hp OM605, Fred ???
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-20-2016, 08:54 AM
#39
(01-20-2016, 04:48 AM)F.R.A.SI just re-read and saw this is for a RHD UK 202!(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.
Amazing, you will have to get level 9 creative with the HP inlet
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
(01-20-2016, 04:48 AM)F.R.A.SI just re-read and saw this is for a RHD UK 202!(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
It's time consuming to say the least. We'll see where it ends up.
Amazing, you will have to get level 9 creative with the HP inlet
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
01-21-2016, 03:15 PM
#40
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.
atypicalguy
01-21-2016, 03:15 PM #40ario
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.
01-22-2016, 06:53 AM
#41
(01-21-2016, 03:15 PM)atypicalguy ario
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.
True! So my friend has a wastegate I think he got from KKD and it has 3 or 4 ports so it can have more than one pressure reference, such as EGP and interstage boost pressure together to open (not against the same diaphragm of course).
People like me are too tight to spend £1k+ per turbo on a hobby build so I just try and science the shit out of it instead.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
(01-21-2016, 03:15 PM)atypicalguy ario
(11-03-2015, 12:11 PM)EDH_Performance Hx30 6cm and hx40 18cm hx40 in stamsaas build works, but hx30 is big bottle neck
Paul's hx35 12cm and hx52 16cm om606 is working good but high bacpressure due to hx35 turbine and housing
Is why I am thinking HY35 which is 9cm2 for the HP. With big 60mm gate around it, referencing EGP (so it opens and bypasses to LP as the HY turbine starts to become a bottleneck, set through trial and error).
Choosing the correct turbines and compressors seems like the hardest part. seems like opening the 60mm high pressure wastegate could drop the drive enough that the small turbo boost goes down before the large turbo spools. So you could get a bad power curve very easily.
True! So my friend has a wastegate I think he got from KKD and it has 3 or 4 ports so it can have more than one pressure reference, such as EGP and interstage boost pressure together to open (not against the same diaphragm of course).
People like me are too tight to spend £1k+ per turbo on a hobby build so I just try and science the shit out of it instead.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
01-22-2016, 01:23 PM
#42
atypicalguy
01-22-2016, 01:23 PM #42Ok, but it seems hard to analyze the dynamic behavior of a 60mm wastegate opening up.
01-22-2016, 01:25 PM
#43
atypicalguy
01-22-2016, 01:25 PM #43The Stamsaas car got sold, jeemu build 605 didn't work. Do we actually have have a single dyno plot from a compound turbo 606? Maybe the second one EDH mentioned.
01-25-2016, 06:51 AM
#45
(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
I'll second that!!!!
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
01-25-2016, 06:51 AM #45(01-19-2016, 07:21 AM)Hario GOd dam LHD...
I'll second that!!!!
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
02-09-2016, 04:54 AM
#47
(02-08-2016, 02:16 PM)atypicalguy Does a w124 have more room for turbos than this car? Thanks
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w124 has a lot more room.
(02-08-2016, 02:16 PM)atypicalguy Does a w124 have more room for turbos than this car? Thanks
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
02-12-2016, 05:35 AM
#49
Send me a message here mate and I'll hook you up
(02-09-2016, 11:07 AM)atypicalguy Need a similar setup.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Sure you do. Everyone needs one, most guys just don't know it yet
Send me a message here mate and I'll hook you up
(02-09-2016, 11:07 AM)atypicalguy Need a similar setup.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
02-22-2016, 04:20 AM
#50
![[Image: om605-compound.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/om605-compound.jpg)
![[Image: om605-compound_2.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/om605-compound_2.jpg)
![[Image: om605-compound_3.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/om605-compound_3.jpg)
![[Image: om605-compound_4.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/om605-compound_4.jpg)
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Here's a little update.
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